The Palestinians exist

[Politruk]

It's weird that your map shows the West Bank and Gaza as being Palestinian land from 1949 to 1967, because until the 1968 war those territories belonged to Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinians didn't object to being occupied when Muslims were doing the occupying.

If your point is that the Palestinians did not demand an independent state before they came under Israeli rule, that is not a point.

 

[Hel_Books]

I've seen some posters on this board deny there are such things as "Palestinians."

The Palestinians are just the people who were living there before the Jews moved in. They're closely related to the Jews according to DNA studies. They're descended from the ancient Israelites, Canaanites, Philistines, and everybody else who has ever lived in Palestine/Canaan.

They're not Israelis. They're not Egyptians. They're not Jordanians. They are entitled to some name more specific than "Arabs." Why not "Palestinians"?

This is simply disgusting! Was Yasser Arafat a Palestinian? Wait, no, he was born in Cairo, wasn't he?

"Living here before the Jews moved in" you say? Hmm. Perhaps you didn't notice that that gaudy mosque in Jerusalem was built ON TOP OF a temple built by the Jews centuries before Mohammed waved his scimitar and led his barbarian hordes out of the desert to conquer?

When the wars began, the Egyptian army faced off against the Israelis and lost Gaza in the process. The Jordanians lost their west bank of the Jordan river. Now its time for the Egyptians who can't live next to their Jewish neighbours to move out. Same for the Jordanians.

And not to Europe or the UK or the USA. Those places have taken in their fair share of refugees from Arab and Persian terrorism. Time for the petroleum princes, the ayatollahs, the tinpot generalissimo dictators to take some in, do something more than pretend they care about their co-religionists.

 

[Politruk]

Perhaps you didn't notice that that gaudy mosque in Jerusalem was built ON TOP OF a temple built by the Jews centuries before Mohammed waved his scimitar and led his barbarian hordes out of the desert to conquer?

So what?

And, no, it wasn't, it was built on the site of a temple destroyed centuries before Mohammed was born.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Perhaps you didn't notice that that gaudy mosque in Jerusalem was built ON TOP OF a temple built by the Jews centuries before Mohammed waved his scimitar and led his barbarian hordes out of the desert to conquer?

So what?

And, no, it wasn't, it was built on the site of a temple destroyed centuries before Mohammed was born.

The Jewish temple ruins are still there (the "western" or "wailing" wall, for instance) and the mosque is built on top of it. Back when the Ottomans ran the place they were secure in their religious faith, so they didn't try to erase all traces of the Jews.

Now, in many places (Gaza, for instance) the Moslems are trashing the historical record of other faiths. But around the world, people are remembering the invasions of the Islamic barbarians. The recent contretemps surrounding the tomb of the tyrant Aurangzeb are a case in point.

 

[Politruk]

The Jewish temple ruins are still there (the "western" or "wailing" wall, for instance) and the mosque is built on top of it. Back when the Ottomans ran the place they were secure in their religious faith, so they didn't try to erase all traces of the Jews.

So what?

Now, in many places (Gaza, for instance) the Moslems are trashing the historical record of other faiths. But around the world, people are remembering the invasions of the Islamic barbarians. The recent contretemps surrounding the tomb of the tyrant Aurangzeb are a case in point.

What contretemps?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I see people here insisting once again to relitigate the past history of the Middle East.

I wish you all the best, folks.

Let me know if you change anyone's mind.

Anyone at all.

No, really. I mean that.

 

[Politruk]

I see people here insisting once again to relitigate the past history of the Middle East.

I wish you all the best, folks.

Let me know if you change anyone's mind.

Anyone at all.

No, really. I mean that.

As opposed to all the other issues discussed on the PB, regarding which making converts is easy-peasy.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I see people here insisting once again to relitigate the past history of the Middle East.

I wish you all the best, folks.

Let me know if you change anyone's mind.

Anyone at all.

No, really. I mean that.

The Jews have live continuously in Eretz Yisrael for thousands of years. That history can’t be erased.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Arabs in the Levant have never been genocided. That’s just Hamas propaganda that too many people who should know better fell for.

The Zionists didn’t “throw out” the British. They saw the opportunity in the collapse of the British empire after the war to get self-determination in their homeland. They did have to defend their young nation from the Arabs who immediately attacked and tried to snuff it out.

There is plenty of room in the Arab world for the Palestinians. Let the Children of Israel have the land of Israel.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The Koran, Surah XVII, 104 And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Anyone who has read the Old Testament and the Apocrypha, as I have in several English translations, including the Jewish Study Bible, knows that for the Jews possession of the land of Israel is as important as personal salvation is for the Christians. Let the Jews have it and tell the Palestinians to move.

 

[Chernosoth]

The Native Americans also want their land back. There are tribes and minorities with grievances and injustices everywhere on earth.

The Jews originally had at least three deities, until they were influenced by a monotheistic Zoroastrian empire. Zoroastrianism is long gone. Christianity is nearly done. Islam could last a few more centuries. The Jews may need a thousand more years to admit they're not getting their land back, drop the monotheism, and assimilate into the local cultures and religions.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The Native Americans also want their land back. There are tribes and minorities with grievances and injustices everywhere on earth.

The Jews originally had at least three deities, until they were influenced by a monotheistic Zoroastrian empire. Zoroastrianism is long gone. Christianity is nearly done. Islam could last a few more centuries. The Jews may need a thousand more years to admit they're not getting their land back, drop the monotheism, and assimilate into the local cultures and religions.

Judaism is pretty durable. It’s survived over thousands of years despite both the Christians and the Muslims trying to stamp it out. The Muslims killed off Zoroastrianism, but the Jews were more stubborn. Israel still stands despite the Arabs trying as hard as they can to destroy it.

 

[Politruk]

Anyone who has read the Old Testament and the Apocrypha, as I have in several English translations, including the Jewish Study Bible, knows that for the Jews possession of the land of Israel is as important as personal salvation is for the Christians. Let the Jews have it and tell the Palestinians to move.

Move where?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Judaism is pretty durable. It’s survived over thousands of years despite both the Christians and the Muslims trying to stamp it out. The Muslims killed off Zoroastrianism, but the Jews were more stubborn. Israel still stands despite the Arabs trying as hard as they can to destroy it.

After the crushing of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 136 AD the Jews were persecuted for two thousand years. This culminated in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, they are the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population.

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"Jewish Genius," by Charles Murray

I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.

Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/charles-murray/jewish-genius/

 

[JohnEngelman]

Move where?

The Palestinians should move here:

 

[Politruk]

The Palestinians should move here:

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None of those countries will take them.

 

[JohnEngelman]

None of those countries will take them.

That is their problem, not Israel's.

 

[Politruk]

That is their problem, not Israel's.

Of course it's Israel's problem.

 

[dmallord]

None of those countries will take them.

We have an excellent negotiator in America, [being a felon is no problem, amirite?] who could convince them to accept the few remaining displaced persons. He could do that in exchange for developing the blighted real estate after they depart. With his exceptional skill set as a developer, he could create a stunning Arabian Riviera resort area for the world's wealthy individuals to live in and visit. Then there would be no squabbling over who lives where. [Follow the American Indian displacement plan that worked so well here.]

 

[Baztrachian]

Looks like there is something being discussed about moving the Hamas branch of the Palestinians to Libya where there's plenty of room for them to settle and prosper.

 

[Politruk]

Looks like there is something being discussed about moving the Hamas branch of the Palestinians to Libya where there's plenty of room for them to settle and prosper.

Libya does not even have a single government. Nobody is safe there.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Looks like there is something being discussed about moving the Hamas branch of the Palestinians to Libya where there's plenty of room for them to settle and prosper.

A "bumper sticker" solution that presumes that Israel's pogrom in Gaza is somehow "justified" in punishing the entire nation for the sins of its armed militia.

Pogroms are war crimes, and the IDF as a whole on the ground in Gaza are war criminals.

"God's Chosen People" chose to put the elderly, sick and children in Gaza "to the sword". They have strayed far from the path of the Righteous, as the only God I'm aware of that celebrates such carnage is Shiva, Hindu goddess of death.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

A "bumper sticker" solution that presumes that Israel's pogrom in Gaza is somehow "justified" in punishing the entire nation for the sins of its armed militia.

Pogroms are war crimes, and the IDF as a whole on the ground in Gaza are war criminals.

"God's Chosen People" chose to put the elderly, sick and children in Gaza "to the sword". They have strayed far from the path of the Righteous, as the only God I'm aware of that celebrates such carnage is Shiva, Hindu goddess of death.

A "bumper sticker" solution that presumes that Israel's pogrom in Gaza is somehow "justified" in punishing the entire nation for the sins of its armed militia.

Pogroms are war crimes, and the IDF as a whole on the ground in Gaza are war criminals.

"God's Chosen People" chose to put the elderly, sick and children in Gaza "to the sword". They have strayed far from the path of the Righteous, as the only God I'm aware of that celebrates such carnage is Shiva, Hindu goddess of death.

You keep using “pogrom” incorrectly. It’s not just civilian casualties during a war. October 7th was a pogrom, as was the 1834 massacre of the Jews in Hebron.

 

[Winter_Fare]

You keep using “pogrom” incorrectly. It’s not just civilian casualties during a war. October 7th was a pogrom, as was the 1834 massacre of the Jews in Hebron.

Blimey. You don't own the word pogrom, but since when did that stop anyone

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pogrom_(terminology).svg

Edit: in fact Professor David Engel specifically defines a pogrom as murderous violence perpetrated upon a minority. By that definition of course, 7/10 couldn't be classed as a pogrom unless Jews are a minority in Israel