Any bias in the American media is right-wing, not left-wing

[Politruk]

if you truly believe this, can you give any example of how the Biden administration was superior to Trump's first term.

What I said would still be true, even if the Biden Admin was also a shitshow.

But it wasn't. He got the covid pandemic under control. He cleaned up the economic mess Trump left -- he only thing attributable do him that played any causal role in the inflation that cost Harris the election -- when an economy comes out of recession, inflation ensues. Remember that the jobless rate was low, the past four years. He made a real start on infrastructure repair, which Trump promised but never did. He mended relations with all the countries Trump had antagonized. He made America something other than a global laughingstock, which it was when Trump was POTUS. And he backed Ukraine against Russia, which Trump never would have. Apart from his support for Israel in the Gaza war, he made no regrettable decisions, none at all; and support for Israel is, after all, a solidly bipartisan policy in the U.S. And, no, there was no "border crisis" on his watch.

Generally speaking, Biden simply continued the policies of Obama, who was the best POTUS since FDR.

And nobody was pulling Biden's strings at any point. Even now, his senile mind is sharper than Trump's -- you know I'm right if you have heard Trump speak any time in the past year.

 

[YDB95]

And nobody was pulling Biden's strings at any point. Even now, his senile mind is sharper than Trump's -- you know I'm right if you have heard Trump speak any time in the past year.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. You and I know Trump routinely talks out of his you-know-where and that he has given entire speeches where not a single thing he said was true. But his fans don't see that. They see a confident man who says what they want to hear.

 

[Politruk]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. You and I know Trump routinely talks out of his you-know-where and that he has given entire speeches where not a single thing he said was true. But his fans don't see that. They see a confident man who says what they want to hear.

Even when he gives speeches where not a single thing he says makes sense, even as a lie?

He's been doing that more and more, lately.

 

[YDB95]

Even when he gives speeches where not a single thing he says makes sense, even as a lie?

He's been doing that more and more, lately.

Good point. Of course, people who read about those speeches in the paper may well come away thinking they were coherent and made sense, thanks to media sanewashing.

 

[rainsol]

Good point. Of course, people who read about those speeches in the paper may well come away thinking they were coherent and made sense, thanks to media sanewashing.

Ya know, have not heard a single word from Joe, since the inauguration, and here you have a pile of shit from him.

 

[YDB95]

Ya know, have not heard a single word from Joe, since the inauguration, and here you have a pile of shit from him.

My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with Biden.

 

[Politruk]

Second Thought: How (And Why) The New York Times Lies.

 

[Politruk]

1. You are an idiot if you think Wikipedia is not credible.

2. RationalWiki differs from Wikipedia in 1) making no effort to be a comprehensive encyclopedia and 2) having no neutrality policy -- RationalWiki is openly biased -- biased towards rationality, reason, and science. On those terms it is credible and reliable -- I post links to pages from RatWiki all the time here, and nobody has ever spotted a single error of fact or reasoning.

Bears repeating.

 

[Lathanar1]

Any "news" network that has host shows where they go over political commentary is biased. They are no longer presenting the news, they are presenting their interpretation of the news. Fox may be the worst, but MSNBC is a shitshow of left wing talking heads.

 

[YDB95]

Any "news" network that has host shows where they go over political commentary is biased. They are no longer presenting the news, they are presenting their interpretation of the news. Fox may be the worst, but MSNBC is a shitshow of left wing talking heads.

Not a reasonable comparison, unless you can find evidence of MSNBC getting the facts wrong as frequently and blatantly as Fox does.

 

[Lathanar1]

Not a reasonable comparison, unless you can find evidence of MSNBC getting the facts wrong as frequently and blatantly as Fox does.

Facts are irrelevant, because their shows are centered on their opinions and political takes on those facts. Instead of presenting possible outcomes on whatever is happening, they engage in the blame game. Doesn't matter what a conservative says or does, they work at discrediting them. Maddow and Morning Joe are two prime examples.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ya know, have not heard a single word from Joe, since the inauguration

I wish the same had been true with Trump when was Biden sworn in.

 

[YDB95]

Facts are irrelevant, because their shows are centered on their opinions and political takes on those facts. Instead of presenting possible outcomes on whatever is happening, they engage in the blame game. Doesn't matter what a conservative says or does, they work at discrediting them. Maddow and Morning Joe are two prime examples.

The same Morning Joe who used to be Republican congressman? But I digress.
Facts are not irrelevant, because it matters whether those opinions you refer to are based on facts or not. On MSNBC, disagree all you want with their opinions, but they usually get the facts right. On Fox News they rarely ever do.

 

[Lathanar1]

This thread is about there being "no left-wing bias in American media." I don't really care how bad Fox is or how much they play with facts. It's irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[YDB95]

This thread is about there being "no left-wing bias in American media."

If it's presented as opinion and it's based on facts, it's not "bias".

 

[Lathanar1]

If it's presented as opinion and it's based on facts, it's not "bias".

You prove my point.

 

[YDB95]

You prove my point.

What, that you don't like hearing progressive commentary? If it's fact-based and an opinion is clearly presented as an opinion, that's not "bias".

 

[rainsol]

I wish the same had been true with Trump when was Biden sworn in.

Well he doent have anyone to carry his teleprompter around

 

[Politruk]

And now the Trump Admin is going after public broadcasting!

 

[Politruk]

At "Rational Wiki" day is night, night is day.

You will never until the day you die find a single error of fact or reasoning on RationalWiki.

 

[Politruk]

Bumping this because I'm still seeing idiots on the PB talk of the "liberal media."

 

[Politruk]

Liberal bias:

Liberal bias is a term used in two ways. First, the most obvious and realistic:

1. A bias towards liberal political views.

Second, as conservative pundits seem to understand it:

2.1. Where an issue is presented in such a way as to downplay points of view expressed by conservatives
2.2. A pejorative to describe any fact or opinion that conservatives don't like
2.3. Lies from the Devil intended to lead you away from their political agenda
2.4. Facts

The first definition is fairly straightforward. It is true that some news organizations do have a left-leaning stance, just as a number of news organizations have a right-leaning stance; one can't read The Guardian or watch Rachel Maddow without feeling a leftward lean, but they at least usually acknowledge this fact. However, the second definition is far more interesting, as it tells one something about the attitudes of some pundits and commentators to things that they don't agree with.

A likely explanation for the belief among conservatives of a liberal bias in news and social media is that conservatives are more likely to believe and report fake news. Two separate peer-reviewed analyses have confirmed this, one in 2001[2][3] and one in 2024.[4]

 

[Politruk]

A liberal bias still means that the media is right wing, since liberalism is a right wing political ideology.

Libertarianism might be characterized as right-wing. But we are here using the word "liberal" in the sense in which it is generally understood in American political discourse.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Probably review the forum rules sometime

If you want to discuss a topic, or recommend something do it on your own words. Quit spamming the forum with someone else's content ...

Well, Rightguide and Busybody do this shit all the time when they post their links to their "Der Sturmer" and "Adolf Times" news articles, but nobody calls them out on it...

 

[Politruk]

This is one of those PRATTs. Anyone who still speaks of the "liberal media" is an idiot.