Why do you even bother to try to be a good writer? Why?

[LJ_Reloaded]

Why not just write a plate load of bull crap cowpie with butter and brown sugar on top and kick it up to Lulu or some shit? Your odds of getting published and getting a major movie deal are dead even.

L.A. Banks and Marjorie Liu don't even get a movie deal, but this lump of excrement does.

http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-E-James/dp/1612130283

When literature student Anastasia Steele is drafted to interview the successful young entrepreneur Christian Grey for her campus magazine, she finds him attractive, enigmatic and intimidating. Convinced their meeting went badly, she tries to put Grey out of her mind - until he happens to turn up at the out-of-town hardware store where she works part-time. Erotic, amusing, and deeply moving, the Fifty Shades Trilogy is a tale that will obsess you, possess you, and stay with you forever.

http://www.themarysue.com/50-shades-of-grey-and-the-twilight-pro-fic-phenomenon/



http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03...omes-best-selling-book-becomes-movie-trilogy/

Twilight Fanfic Becomes Best Selling Book Becomes… Movie Trilogy?

Agents for “mommy porn” phenomenon EL James have apparently scheduled a number of appointments between the author and movie studios and directors as various Hollywood bodies compete to nab the adaptation rights to her “erotic” novel Fifty Shades of Grey and its increasingly badly-named sequels, Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed.

The best bit of this story, I think, is that the books began life as a piece of Twilight-fuelled fanfic called Master of the Universe. Sadly, that original posting from ff.net appears to have been deleted, but I bet somebody has it stashed somewhere. I’d love to read an excerpt. Use the contact page linked at the top of the site.

Or perhaps a simple find and replace on the Grey text would put Edward and Bella back in the picture.

The books have gone from eBook viral hits to actual, physical bestsellers from Random House so, let’s be honest, some Little Bleeder or another is bound to have read at least one of them. If that person is you, do tell me: can you see the Twilight origins? And are their supernatural elements in these stories?

 

[lovecraft68]

There is a segment of Master of the universe posted in the 50 shades of Gray thread in the BDSM forum. How convenient it has vanished from public view elsewhere, Head on over to that thread and you will see how identical it is.

I've been harping on this in the 50 shades thread in the BDSM forum.
As I said someone posted the previous work this hack wrote called Master of the UNiverse which was pure Twilight fan fic

Good old E.L. then went practically line by line though it and rewrote it as 50 shades.

It is frustrating to authors who work hard and attempt to come up with something new. Granted something that has never been done before is pretty hard these days, but people still try.

This person just shut off her mind and borrowed extensively from previously written material and cashing in on a ready made fan base.

Interesting that as much hype as it has gotten last I looked 1 in every ten reviews on book one was negative and many siting its fan fic influence.

Much of the paying public are lemmings and now that it has been hyped sales will soar driven by people who can now say "Yeah, I read it."

I guess some credit is due to her for being smart enough to manipualte the system.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Why not just write a plate load of bull crap cowpie with butter and brown sugar on top and kick it up to Lulu or some shit? Your odds of getting published and getting a major movie deal are dead even.

L.A. Banks and Marjorie Liu don't even get a movie deal, but this lump of excrement does.

http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Grey-E-James/dp/1612130283



http://www.themarysue.com/50-shades-of-grey-and-the-twilight-pro-fic-phenomenon/



http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03...omes-best-selling-book-becomes-movie-trilogy/

Twilight Fanfic Becomes Best Selling Book Becomes… Movie Trilogy?

Agents for “mommy porn” phenomenon EL James have apparently scheduled a number of appointments between the author and movie studios and directors as various Hollywood bodies compete to nab the adaptation rights to her “erotic” novel Fifty Shades of Grey and its increasingly badly-named sequels, Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed.

The best bit of this story, I think, is that the books began life as a piece of Twilight-fuelled fanfic called Master of the Universe. Sadly, that original posting from ff.net appears to have been deleted, but I bet somebody has it stashed somewhere. I’d love to read an excerpt. Use the contact page linked at the top of the site.

Or perhaps a simple find and replace on the Grey text would put Edward and Bella back in the picture.

The books have gone from eBook viral hits to actual, physical bestsellers from Random House so, let’s be honest, some Little Bleeder or another is bound to have read at least one of them. If that person is you, do tell me: can you see the Twilight origins? And are their supernatural elements in these stories?

Why do you care

You don't have any work on this site.

 

[lovecraft68]

although I don't usually agree with LJ I understand the frustration factor.

Just picture your classmate getting straight A's while not studying and copying a legit students work.

But if you're not bothered by this do me a favor, I've been wanting to try a Gay Male story.

Send me your highest rated story and i am going to change the names and a few small details and then take credit for it when it does well.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

although I don't usually agree with LJ I understand the frustration factor.

Just picture your classmate getting straight A's while not studying and copying a legit students work.

But if you're not bothered by this do me a favor, I've been wanting to try a Gay Male story.

Send me your highest rated story and i am going to change the names and a few small details and then take credit for it when it does well.

I understand that it's a problem, and I got mad when I found my work on another site.

I just don't know why he gives a shit. He doesn't write, so he doesn't have anything for anyone to rip off.

 

[lovecraft68]

I understand that it's a problem, and I got mad when I found my work on another site.

I just don't know why he gives a shit. He doesn't write, so he doesn't have anything for anyone to rip off.

Maybe he's like JBJ and he's got tons of stuff written that no one will ever see.

I've given up posting anything new here after I had issues with Amazon on a story that I did once have up here and pulled. It must have been lifted because they were saying it was freely available on the net. Then they say they will terminate your account.

I just deleted the account and created another. I have written six stories in the last couple of months and they are there. I won't post here for free anymore. It causes too many problems on the paying end.

well, no, maybe if I feel like writing some mother son stuff. That can't be sold on amazon so no worries putting it here.

 

[estragon]

For those with copyright issues, the Second Circuit just sent the Viacom v. YouTube case back to District Court, reversing the judgment in favor of YouTube. Second Circuit says a jury might find that YouTube's high command knew that its site was riddled with stolen copyrighted work and did nothing because they were making money from it.

Wouldn't you love to be on that jury, writers?

 

[PennLady]

I get that it can be frustrating, but really -- so what? Are you sending stuff to publishers that's getting rejected? If you aren't reading the stuff or paying for it then just ignore it. Stuff like that happens and always has.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm pretty damn tired of the pejorative "mommyporn," as if mothers can't possibly know what real porn is-- or that any woman who gets wet reading cheap erotica is happiest staying barefoot and pregnant or something.

Not to mention the laughable corollary that of course, the speaker and audience are smarter and more speshul in their own porn consumption because they are not mommies.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm pretty damn tired of the pejorative "mommyporn," as if mothers can't possibly know what real porn is-- or that any woman who gets wet reading cheap erotica is happiest staying barefoot and pregnant or something.

Not to mention the laughable corollary that of course, the speaker and audience are smarter and more speshul in their own porn consumption because they are not mommies.

Who's picking on the mommy's? Seems the author is getting lambasted, but I don't see the mommy's being mocked. Unless you're referring to my "lemming once one person screams its great it becomes trendy and everyone reads it" theory.

It is pretty vanilla, but that's by holding it to different standards than the average house wife would.

The only other point I would make is I feel bad for the "mommy" dumb enough to think that all dom's are closet sweeties who are just waiting to go soft on someone.

By the way Stella, I just wrote a lesbian scene and it sucks. I'm sure yours are much better, can I have one? I promise I'll change the names and when it does well I'll say it's "Omega Fan fic"

 

[mynameisben]

I'm not merely interested in trying to become a good writer. I want to become a gooder writer.

 

[lovecraft68]

I get that it can be frustrating, but really -- so what? Are you sending stuff to publishers that's getting rejected? If you aren't reading the stuff or paying for it then just ignore it. Stuff like that happens and always has.

It seems that awhile back you were quite upset that something you wrote was rejected.

Why was that? Because you worked your ass off on something and apparently it was not well received.

So here's some charlatan that has rehashed the concepts of and ripped off the style of another author, to take advantage of a built in audience. They're going to make millions in a movie deal, you got rejected. What's that teaching you?

Teaches you that the path to success is to rip off those who have already succeeded.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not merely interested in trying to become a good writer. I want to become a gooder writer.

Then you gonna have to do your very bestest to make that happen.

 

[PennLady]

It seems that awhile back you were quite upset that something you wrote was rejected.

Why was that? Because you worked your ass off on something and apparently it was not well received.

I think there's some confusion here. The only thing of mine Literotica has ever rejected was a chapter of a story; they thought it was submitted out of order. It wasn't, and was easily fixed.

I had a couple of stories rejected at LushStories.com for violence reasons, even though the violence was not sexual and was in fact supernatural in one story, but I didn't know their rules. My bad.

What I think you're referring to is my former publisher rejecting a story I'd had posted. And I was not upset for the reasons you cite. I was taken back for a few reasons. One, the publisher had read some and seemed very enthusiastic; two, she did not read the whole story; three, for someone who said she wanted to 'revolutionize' both erotica and e-publishing, she rejected mine as not following closely enough to a formula.

So here's some charlatan that has rehashed the concepts of and ripped off the style of another author, to take advantage of a built in audience. They're going to make millions in a movie deal, you got rejected. What's that teaching you?

Teaches you that the path to success is to rip off those who have already succeeded.

Well, for one thing, my publisher didn't give what's-her-name millions for a story. I was not rejected in favor of her. If Stephanie Meyer wants to take issue with this "Fifty Shades" thing, then more power to her. I've read a little of Twilight and a little of "Fifty Shades" and didn't see any similarities, except in a ditzy heroine. Now I didn't read the original, so I'm sure changes have been made.

If you want to succeed, you keep trying. Sometimes other people get there first, whether it's fair or not. It's called life, and you can live yours pissed at everyone else, or you can concentrate on yourself.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Who's picking on the mommy's? Seems the author is getting lambasted, but I don't see the mommy's being mocked. Unless you're referring to my "lemming once one person screams its great it becomes trendy and everyone reads it" theory.

It is pretty vanilla, but that's by holding it to different standards than the average house wife would.

The only other point I would make is I feel bad for the "mommy" dumb enough to think that all dom's are closet sweeties who are just waiting to go soft on someone.

The bolded are illustrative of exactly my point. Who do you think "average housewives" are, exactly? Nice ladies that never surf for porn? What decade are you living in?

By the way Stella, I just wrote a lesbian scene and it sucks. I'm sure yours are much better, can I have one? I promise I'll change the names and when it does well I'll say it's "Omega Fan fic"

Several people here have used my characters Jessamine and Gloria in their fiction, by name, putting them into new situations-- I'm fine with that. Flattered, even.

It's very possible that someone has taken one of my scenes and written it into their story, and I hope that it made their story better, frankly. No one has plagiarized my words by copying them verbatim, that I've noticed.

Once more-- James did not write Twilight verbatim in her fan fiction, she changed the entire universe they exist in. No vampires. No high school. No werewolf best friend.

And then when she published, she changed the names and many characteristics as well. The only thing that's left is the heroine's clumsiness and her dark brown hair.

 

[lovecraft68]

The bolded are illustrative of exactly my point. Who do you think "average housewives" are, exactly? Nice ladies that never surf for porn? What decade are you living in?

Several people here have used my characters Jessamine and Gloria in their fiction, by name, putting them into new situations-- I'm fine with that. Flattered, even.

It's very possible that someone has taken one of my scenes and written it into their story, and I hope that it made their story better, frankly. No one has plagiarized my words by copying them verbatim, that I've noticed.

Once more-- James did not write Twilight verbatim in her fan fiction, she changed the entire universe they exist in. No vampires. No high school. No werewolf best friend.

And then when she published, she changed the names and many characteristics as well. The only thing that's left is the heroine's clumsiness and her dark brown hair.

Honestly, I'm living in the decade of "I can't believe there are still housewives".

This is nothing new. 50 shades and other erotica are the new Harlequins. Racier generation, racier material. Just like Dad's stack of hustlers have been replaced by redtube and all the other free porn sites.

And remember, when one is romanticizing material like this, that means its playing into their fantasies. My point is don't get caught up or you will be in for a case of careful of what you wish for.

And please don't tell me that you think no woman (not being sexist here, this book is aimed at women) is that naive, because sadly some are.

I'll toss this one out as well. It's sad the they have to fantasize, too bad the average hubs hasn't found a way to keep shit interesting, leaving the market wide open for this.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Whatever the fuck you're talking about, dude.

It doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I've said.

But I will address what you've said;

And remember, when one is romanticizing material like this, that means its playing into their fantasies. My point is don't get caught up or you will be in for a case of careful of what you wish for.

And please don't tell me that you think no woman (not being sexist here, this book is aimed at women) is that naive, because sadly some are.

Christ you're a patronising little fucktard. You gonna protect all those poor little naive ladies from the horrible Big Bad Wolf, huh. Because they just don't know the difference between fantasy and reality.

They must not have access to the internet, or any google fu at all.

I'll toss this one out as well. It's sad the they have to fantasize, too bad the average hubs hasn't found a way to keep shit interesting, leaving the market wide open for this.

Why do YOU fantasize? Doesn't your wife take care of you?

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Honestly, I'm living in the decade of "I can't believe there are still housewives".

This is nothing new. 50 shades and other erotica are the new Harlequins. Racier generation, racier material. Just like Dad's stack of hustlers have been replaced by redtube and all the other free porn sites.

And remember, when one is romanticizing material like this, that means its playing into their fantasies. My point is don't get caught up or you will be in for a case of careful of what you wish for.

And please don't tell me that you think no woman (not being sexist here, this book is aimed at women) is that naive, because sadly some are.

I'll toss this one out as well. It's sad the they have to fantasize, too bad the average hubs hasn't found a way to keep shit interesting, leaving the market wide open for this.

Still living in the past, Lovecraft, and holding onto the view that porn is only for the sexually deprived. You know, there are people who enjoy the fantasy, the story, even if they do have a good sex life. For them, you know it adds to the real fun. If for you it's a substitute, a blow-up doll, so be it. For you.

 

[Firebrain]

Sometimes, it's just illogical. But the thing is, these people writing what we would say is technically very bad, they're doing their best. And they found their place, but it doesn't always link up with our perception of technically great work.

If you write something different, you have to find your place too. And it sucks that if you're technically better at the writing, your "place" should be a lower part of the market. But that's the way it is.

The whole 50 Shades thing is an absolute farce, and I think we all need to be careful in the future about allowing people to write fanfiction of our work. But besides that, all you can do is decide not to give it your attention.

 

[lovecraft68]

Still living in the past, Lovecraft, and holding onto the view that porn is only for the sexually deprived. You know, there are people who enjoy the fantasy, the story, even if they do have a good sex life. For them, you know it adds to the real fun. If for you it's a substitute, a blow-up doll, so be it. For you.

My wife is my blow up doll. We role play every Saturday night, watch porn together, hell I write porn, and 12 years later we still fuck until we're sore.

Most of her girlfriends get it maybe twice a week and this is what the fantasies are all about.

Porn, like a vibrator, can be a enhancement or a replacement. The majority it is a replacement.

I'd tell you to Poll the women you know, but I would be afraid you might take that literally and get in trouble.

Also remember that you cannot go by the people here. This is a sex site. The average person here is a bit of a "freak" to many of their friends.

There are still way too many people stuck in the rut of vanilla marriages. Hence the huge market for all forms of porn.

Guys jerk off to videos with their wives in the next room and the women are reading 50 shades and killing the batteries. Too bad they haven't figured out fantasy can easily become reality.

And I am a leg up here as the wife and I teach a couples work shop on role playing and bedroom games once a month. You would be amazed at how unimaginative many people still are.

And for $50 a whack we'll help them along with that.

Should have seen the looks on their faces when I gave a demonstration with a whip. One woman said

"I thought that shit was just for the movies."

They're still out there, trust me.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Maybe he's like JBJ and he's got tons of stuff written that no one will ever see.

I've given up posting anything new here after I had issues with Amazon on a story that I did once have up here and pulled. It must have been lifted because they were saying it was freely available on the net. Then they say they will terminate your account.

I just deleted the account and created another. I have written six stories in the last couple of months and they are there. I won't post here for free anymore. It causes too many problems on the paying end.

well, no, maybe if I feel like writing some mother son stuff. That can't be sold on amazon so no worries putting it here.

Plenty of people see my writing but none of these folks are you or your sugardaddy, PILOT. I stated my reasons for not posting to LIT (no money and thefts) but there are other reasons, like...what you think of my writing is irrelevant to me. You and PILOT are like the old man who argued with me about whats planted in my garden, I planted red cabbage, it is red cabbage, and the old man insists its cauliflower. So I dont wanna invite your blabbering ignorance.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Until the poster known as JAMESBJOHNSON offers more than blowhard bullying, he will forever be known as a wannabe who doesn't write jack shit.

 

[talismania]

I see no point in being jealous of any writer, whatever I may think of his or her work. The variables involved in getting published are too many to reduce to a simple formula. Most of the time, it comes down to having the right product at the right time, which means when a publisher is looking for something like what you're selling. All the rest is a crap shoot.

The reason a writer should strive to be a good writer should be because they want to turn out the best story or book they are capable of producing. It's a good thing to take pride in your work. Writing is what we do, so we should try to do it well.

And don't knock housewives... they work hard. They're smart and funny and put up with a lot of crap, which is one reason so many are pretty damn discerning readers! Not to mention people in need of a little escape buy lots of books!

Anytime an author sells a ton of books, be happy for them. Their success fuels the market for the rest of us.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Until the poster known as JAMESBJOHNSON offers more than blowhard bullying, he will forever be known as a wannabe who doesn't write jack shit.

Your opinion is irrelevant, too. But you know it already. Youre the Queen of Impotence around here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I see no point in being jealous of any writer, whatever I may think of his or her work. The variables involved in getting published are too many to reduce to a simple formula. Most of the time, it comes down to having the right product at the right time, which means when a publisher is looking for something like what you're selling. All the rest is a crap shoot.

The reason a writer should strive to be a good writer should be because they want to turn out the best story or book they are capable of producing. It's a good thing to take pride in your work. Writing is what we do, so we should try to do it well.

And don't knock housewives... they work hard. They're smart and funny and put up with a lot of crap, which is one reason so many are pretty damn discerning readers! Not to mention people in need of a little escape buy lots of books!

Anytime an author sells a ton of books, be happy for them. Their success fuels the market for the rest of us.

Nehru jackets and poodle skirts and zoot suits had their fame, and the world moved on.