The Federal Deficit.

[Que]

You’re one mean-spirited fuck aren’t you. At least blue staters can take solace in knowing they’re healthier, wealthier, and better educated than their red state red neck counterparts.

You don't know the half of it. I am positively gleeful about the prospect of rich Democrats paying more in taxes after they have spent years with class warfare just to get into office when they don't give a fuck about the poor. It doesn't really matter to me if they don't give a fuck about the poor or they actually do care but they're too stupid to know that their policies hurt the poor either way it's the same net result.

When they whine about the one percenters in the rich and all of that bullshit it's they who are getting tens of thousands of dollars each year in tax deductions that they don't get now. Good!

It's just them, reaping the whirlwind.

Once those W-4 tables are adjusted and American see the larger paychecks, it's going to be glaringly apparent that the Democrats were lying through this entire process.

If Romney had been President five years ago the growth and we're seeing now would have happened five years ago. You assholes made everyone suffer needlessly for half a decade because you couldn't bring yourself to fire Obama for malfeasance on the job. Worst post-recession recovery ever four years in and it didn't get any better for the next four years.

 

[Hypoxia]

Red welfare states will lose their subsidies from productive, prosperous blue states. Sad.

Red welfare state residents will see their their life-support payments shrink. Sad.

Corporations will only be taxed on USA income, so they'll move more investment and production overseas, so red welfare states will see what jobs they had, vanish. Sad.

It's a wonderful life, hey?

 

[Not Normal]

You don't know the half of it. I am positively gleeful about the prospect of rich Democrats paying more in taxes after they have spent years with class warfare just to get into office when they don't give a fuck about the poor. It doesn't really matter to me if they don't give a fuck about the poor or they actually do care but they're too stupid to know that their policies hurt the poor either way it's the same net result.

When they whine about the one percenters in the rich and all of that bullshit it's they who are getting tens of thousands of dollars each year in tax deductions that they don't get now. Good!

It's just them, reaping the whirlwind.

Once those W-4 tables are adjusted and American see the larger paychecks, it's going to be glaringly apparent that the Democrats were lying through this entire process.

If Romney had been President five years ago the growth and we're seeing now would have happened five years ago. You assholes made everyone suffer needlessly for half a decade because you couldn't bring yourself to fire Obama for malfeasance on the job. Worst post-recession recovery ever four years in and it didn't get any better for the next four years.

You actually believe this tax bill will help the poor and middle class?

 

[adrina]

You actually believe this tax bill will help the poor and middle class?

And apparently that the republicans lock step mantra of obstruction had nothing to do with the slower recovery.

 

[Que]

You actually believe this tax bill will help the poor and middle class?

Yes. We tried the alternative for the past 10 years and it clearly didn't work. Romney had it exactly right the best thing you can do for a poor person is to find them a job.

Believe absolutely nothing about this tax bill that you've heard any Democrats say.

It DOUBLES the personal exemption. Most poor people don't even understand how to itemize nor are they able to itemize in this case they're going to have double the amount of income that is tax free. How could that not possibly help?

Poor people have kids for every kid they just got $1,000 per year raise.

 

[Que]

And apparently that the republicans lock step mantra of obstruction had nothing to do with the slower recovery.

Of course obstruction doesn't work both ways does it? President my-way-or-the-highway president elections have consequencess.

Name one single instance where Obama showed statesmanship and actually accommodated anything that the Republicans asked of him. There wasn't one single concession in 8 years. That's not what Bill Clinton did.

 

[LiamAnthony]

Once those W-4 tables are adjusted and American see the larger paychecks, it's going to be glaringly apparent that the Democrats were lying through this entire process.

Using this online calculator for various income groups etc , it looks like some people could take home an extra $99 a month!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/calculate-americans-taxes-senate-reform-bill/index.html

 

[Que]

Using this online calculator for various income groups etc , it looks like some people could take home an extra $99 a month!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/calculate-americans-taxes-senate-reform-bill/index.html

Well I'm assuming that people who currently have a net worth of $8 or a negative net worth probably will appreciate an extra $1,200 a year.

I don't know anyone who would object if their boss suddenly gave them $100 a month raise.

Obviously your Cherry Picked example is someone not making very much money, and already not paying very much in taxes.

 

[richard_daily]

I love the hopes and dreams that an entire economic plan is based on what will POTENTIALLY happen, even though there is no historical evidence that it will do what the Republicans are claiming.

Not exactly sound economic policy.

But great snake oil salesmen.

Que buys it.

 

[richard_daily]

Using this online calculator for various income groups etc , it looks like some people could take home an extra $99 a month!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/calculate-americans-taxes-senate-reform-bill/index.html

I call BS. It asks "do you itemize", but doesn't ask how much you itemize for.

Either way, my taxes go up after 2026, but corporations continue to get tax welfare, and add to the deficit.

#ThanksObama!

 

[Que]

I love the hopes and dreams that an entire economic plan is based on what will POTENTIALLY happen, even though there is no historical evidence that it will do what the Republicans are claiming.

Not exactly sound economic policy.

But great snake oil salesmen.

Que buys it.

It has wporked every time it's been tried Kennedy Reagan and even now in anticipation of the benefits the economy is dramatically stronger before the tax cuts are even in.

contrast it with you socialist. Everywhere it's been tried hits failed but you keep insisting that this time it'll be different.

 

[adrina]

Of course obstruction doesn't work both ways does it? President my-way-or-the-highway president elections have consequencess.

Name one single instance where Obama showed statesmanship and actually accommodated anything that the Republicans asked of him. There wasn't one single concession in 8 years. That's not what Bill Clinton did.

So beyond the reality that several republican amendments made it into the ACA, hundreds on procedural/technical issues and a handful of important ones I suppose that counts as nothing?

But then just how much compromise can be made with a party which plays partisan politics instead of embracing the acts of governance?

Not even Newt Gingrich would have sunk so low.

 

[Que]

I need to not take the bait on stupid

 

[adrina]

excuses...

I wasn't quoting Gutierrez, but the fact check itself. Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

No need to address the well documented lockstep obstruction of course.

It answers itself really.

Why bother to try to compromise with a party that has sworn not to - regardless of consequence or duty to the American public.

And then of course people like you place the blame entirely on Obama.

Facts.

They matter.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I wasn't quoting Gutierrez, but the fact check itself. Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.

No need to address the well documented lockstep obstruction of course.

It answers itself really.

Why bother to try to compromise with a party that has sworn not to - regardless of consequence or duty to the American public.

And then of course people like you place the blame entirely on Obama.

Facts.

They matter.

 

[adrina]

Exactly. But it's all Obama's fault that he didn't compromise.

You can't make this shit up folks.

 

[Hypoxia]

It has wporked every time it's been tried Kennedy Reagan...

Bullshit. The Kennedy event was during a slow economy, not a red-hot one like now, and Reagan's 'cuts' were followed by a series of tax increases because the cuts didn't generate revenues. Quit regurgitating crap.

Repeat after me: VOODOO ECONOMICS DON'T WORK.

 

[Que]

Bullshit. The Kennedy event was during a slow economy, not a red-hot one like now, and Reagan's 'cuts' were followed by a series of tax increases because the cuts didn't generate revenues. Quit regurgitating crap.

Repeat after me: VOODOO ECONOMICS DON'T WORK.

You are an absolute economic illiterate and obviously know nothing about Market activity and investors. The entire reason that we are seeing Market activity now is the anticipation of what for a while look like wasn't going to happen that Republican control of all three branches was going to result in tax cuts. The market was responding directly to that extra cash that would be available to corporations to pay to shareholders. No other reason.

 

[richard_daily]

It has wporked every time it's been tried Kennedy Reagan and even now in anticipation of the benefits the economy is dramatically stronger before the tax cuts are even in.

contrast it with you socialist. Everywhere it's been tried hits failed but you keep insisting that this time it'll be different.

No, supply-side economics have never "worked", by any measurable metric.

 

[richard_daily]

You are an absolute economic illiterate and obviously know nothing about Market activity and investors. The entire reason that we are seeing Market activity now is the anticipation of what for a while look like wasn't going to happen that Republican control of all three branches was going to result in tax cuts. The market was responding directly to that extra cash that would be available to corporations to pay to shareholders. No other reason.

The market isn't doing as well now under Trump as it was during Obama at this same time in his presidency. I'm sure you realize and recognize that though, right?

Right?

 

[richard_daily]

I need to not take the bait on stupid

You ARE the bait on stupid.

 

[Hypoxia]

Bullshit. The Kennedy event was during a slow economy, not a red-hot one like now, and Reagan's 'cuts' were followed by a series of tax increases because the cuts didn't generate revenues. Quit regurgitating crap.

Repeat after me: VOODOO ECONOMICS DON'T WORK.

You are an absolute economic illiterate and obviously know nothing about Market activity and investors.
[Guide me, oh herdmaster!]
The entire reason that we are seeing Market activity now is the anticipation of what for a while look like wasn't going to happen that Republican control of all three branches was going to result in tax cuts.
[IOW, Trump hadn't done anything.]
The market was responding directly to that extra cash that would be available to corporations to pay to shareholders. No other reason.
[No other reason.]

Windfalls for shareholders, many foreign banks and sovereign funds, will encourage investment in US enterprises -- how? Prosperity will trickle-down into the pockets of ordinary Americans -- how? USA is already near full employment with job vacancies going unfilled. Windfalls will supercharge a fully-active economy -- how? Superbooms and phat trickle-downs will happen now when they haven't in the past -- how? Past tax cuts led to massive deficits but that can't happen now -- how? Guide me, oh herdmaster!

Just repeat after me: VOODOO ECONOMICS DON'T WORK.

 

[richard_daily]

Here, let me help Que out with pictures... he can (hopefully) understand pictures:

See that dip in the early 1980s? That's Reagan's trickle down economics "working". In other words, it was a disaster.

Guess what Reagan did once trickle-down economics where shown to not work?

That's right... he raised taxes.

Guess what's coming in a few years?

Take a guess, Que... I dare you.

 

[OldJourno]

Why was it only important when Obama was president?

Why isn't it still important?

Good point. Why do the Democrats who were in office while Obama was president suddenly pretend to give a shit about the deficit?
Tax cuts? Why the fuck not? What's another trillion, especially since it takes another decade to rack it up. Fuck, the Democrats were blowing through that in eight months some years.
I usually disagree with you but you've hit the nail on the head here.

 

[richard_daily]

Good point. Why do the Democrats who were in office while Obama was president suddenly pretend to give a shit about the deficit?
Tax cuts? Why the fuck not? What's another trillion, especially since it takes another decade to rack it up. Fuck, the Democrats were blowing through that in eight months some years.
I usually disagree with you but you've hit the nail on the head here.

That's nice.


Where'd que run off to?