Signs of Female Arousal (And some myths)

[KimGordon67]

Not reall, that answers my question. It only becomes a problem if a lot of people do it. Especially if they have 3 Massive images in their signatures as well. Then, it tends to junk up the page. Didn't realize it was an accident.

I think I was also on a phone at a time, which makes cutting down quotes harder. Usually I do edit a bit to focus on the point I'm actually responding to.

 

[psiberzerker]

Do we still NEED non-verbal communication? No, but it's not a completely useless skill, either.

http://youtu.be/SS3mUDtFpEs

He doesn't want to assume she's a sex object, in a place like this, but if he is, is she into him? How can you tell?

 

[psiberzerker]

I think I was also on a phone at a time, which makes cutting down quotes harder. Usually I do edit a bit to focus on the point I'm actually responding to.

Not to mention scrolling past all those .img.

.

.

/

 

[BoyNextDoor]

So when she she is super-drippy-wet she is aroused - right?

 

[psiberzerker]

So when she she is super-drippy-wet she is aroused - right?

Long before that. Yes. When we see mushroom clouds on the horizon, are we at War?

 

[Jada59]

I'll just throw something out there to no one in particular. I do think I am atypical. None of my female friends seem to think like I do. I've had male friends tell me that I don't think like the women they know.

I do tell it like it is because I'm very much a realist. I also really like males. Always have and for most of my life, the majority of my friends have been male. I can't say that I totally know how they think. And again, I don't want to paint with a broad brush but often I can understand why men do what they do or why it is they act/talk the way they do.

Some things that men say and do, do not bother me. Perhaps part of this reason is that I am older and things that were common when I was younger are things people can't get away with now. I am even guilty of some of these things myself. And a lot of things said by men to women do not bother me because as I see it, you can't blame someone for speaking their mind or trying.

Times have changed. And while I'm all for equality, I don't consider myself a feminist. The word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps this is because some of the most vocal ones are IMO the most obnoxious.

I'm also all for... You do what you do best and I'll do what I do best. That way we can better work as a team. This is not necessarily a gender thing.

When I was growing up, my dad was the shopper. He loved to do it and always knew where to get the best deal. I realize that a popular notion is that women love to shop. My mom hated it and while I don't really love it and get as much as I can online, I consider going into a brick and mortar store a form of exercise and I can sometimes get the best bargains there so I'll do it. I don't consider myself a cheapskate but I do like to make the most of my money.

Sorry if that was rambling. It feels like it was.

 

[psiberzerker]

Sorry if that was rambling. It feels like it was.

Is there a question in there I missed? Whether or not there was, I enjoyed it. [Don't really slight people for rambling.]

As far as feminism is concerned, it doesn't really sound like you need it. Quite a few women still do. Shopping isn't a feminine thing. Most of the women I know see it more as a duty, or chore (And honestly could use the exercise.) The guys I know who're into it (Some of them go to the store for me, and I'm talkin' construction worker guyz) seem to like for the same reasons anyone does. It's fun, lots of selection, see who's working to night.

Always secure guys. "Real Men" don't shop, but real men are fucking assholes.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Long before that. Yes. When we see mushroom clouds on the horizon, are we at War?

Just checking

 

[psiberzerker]

Just checking

Orgasms are also a great way to tell, if you're not absolutely sure. Might want to be thorough, though. Check your work, go for multiples, and see if you can get at least one of those full body ones out of her until she tell you you're done.

Then ask her how she feels.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Orgasms are also a great way to tell, if you're not absolutely sure. Might want to be thorough, though. Check your work, go for multiples, and see if you can get at least one of those full body ones out of her until she tell you you're done.

Then ask her how she feels.

Sounds like a lot of work

 

[psiberzerker]

Sounds like a lot of work

Then ask her if she's worth it. I charge by the hour.

 

[KimGordon67]

Sounds like a lot of work

That depends on the woman.

 

[DMBFFF]

I wasn't making that argument, but thank you for bringing it up. Feminine arousal is likely evolutionary, as it applies to physical signs. Pheromones. Blood rushing to the genitalia (Thanks for the photos) and the erogenous zones to display their attraction.

Which leads to our different POVs, though I think such differences are more quantitative than qualitative. Yes, evolution would favour women enjoying sex more than not, as well as showing it, and perhaps with other mammals, this might be more for our more primitive earlier ancestors, but I reiterate, female orgasm and arousal are not necessary for reproduction. The same, unfortunately, is largely true for her consent. (Sad, or at least very ambivalent, is the woman who bears the rapist's child, I suppose.)

But I stand to be enlightened.

However, there's also the Social, and Cultural cueues. Saying "Fuck me now" isn't natural, because words didn't grow on trees. The natural order is to piss where we stand, and the receptive female in heat. (We don't do that, it's called Estrus, any more.)

While we might not have been so verbal as to say "Fuck me now," some mammals, such as female felines are pretty unambiguous about their vocalizations—more like purring-like sounds every time they touch something.

Now, we have cultural inventions, like indoor plumbing, clothes, and makeup. Lipstick, blush, and perfume, which are social standards to "Look professional." Unfortunately, the instinctual reactions are still there, so if they see a woman in red lips, cheeks darkened by blush, and smart pumps, the natural feeling is this is a mating display, and not a woman off to work, or a job interview.

Ah, good point—though being a female foot fetishist rather than a shoe fetishist, I find pumps a turn-off: better is bare feet, then flip-flops, then sandals, then sneakers or hiking boots (again not thigh high or high heels)—I suppose because they are suggestive of youthfulness and vitality.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hikers_mcste_040.jpg

"Hey, baby, if I told you you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?"

The modern order, the mating ritual of the north american redneck is Wordplay. A pickup line, oh look. He thinks he's clever.

Women also have a word with an arbitrary meaning: "No. Go fuck yourself."

This triggers a different set of instinctual response: The male feels his identity is threatened, and reacts with Anger, Rage, and Violence.

This is where Social Entropy gets involved. Basically like the laws of Thermodynamics:

1: You can't please everyone all the time, but you can piss them all off.

2: The honor system only works as long as everyone honors it. It only takes one asshole to fuck it up, and there's always at least 1 asshole.

As I heard on the radio likely a few years ago, entropy is not chaos, it's simply a low energy state. When you clean up a messy room, you are increasing entropy.

As for the asshole, the honourable often come up with ways to deal with assholes—including this forum. (You hear me FeNomm!)

These, taken together, in a nutshel are the Evolutionary factors that underpin Rape Culture. It's easier to react to a woman saying "No" with violence than to learn to talk to her, AND Listen.

Agreed, and again, with some controls. Men are tool-users, but so are women.

It's easier to risk man's wrath by being sexually aggressive than to wait for him to notice she's aroused.

Assuming she has no alternatives to sex with men. Most of our non-human mammilian female cousins often present themselves. Get it in, get it out, then fuck off.

Fortunately for me, we also have another social construct: Money, or I would be out of a job.

Which renders so many of us whores—particularly the rich.

I actually thought I was responding to different posts, because thingummy makes so many random points in one post (partly because he seems to need to respond to every single person who's posted since he last did) I lose track of what I'm actually responding to.

Not everyone, but this is a forum. I've been a member of Literotica for over 6 months, yet I am barely past 900 posts, and while I enjoy the—let's call them quickies—You hear that, FeNomm, you kool-aid-drinking Trump-whore!—I'm here for the meatier discussions, even if the posts are separated by months.

I'm quite confused about what you're actually saying here ... but I can tell you one thing. If I have sexual intercourse with a man, it certainly isn't because I'm doing him a 'favour'. I don't know where you got the idea that straight women can't cum from PIV intercourse.

Sorry if you are confused.

Glad to hear your experiences in sexual intercourse are gratifying—again I might have to adjust my fiction a bit as a result of the good news from you and Jada59.

I'm not saying women are necessarily incapable of orgasm by PIV, but of what I've been hearing and reading, it's not particularly the preferred form of sex for women, and those who've been saying that are women.

Reputedly men are simple: stick it in, thrust a bit, ejaculate, and go lie down for a while.

"That was great. I think I'll order a pizza: maybe mushrooms and pineapple. Do you want anything."

[she responds sarcastically] "Do I want anything?!?"

I once read a joke in (I think) Hustler.
Q. What is the perfect man (for women)?
B. One who has a 10 inch tongue and breathes through his ears.






Sexual intercourse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse

my bold

Health effects
Benefits

In humans, sexual intercourse and sexual activity in general have been reported as having health benefits as varied as increased immunity by increasing the body's production of antibodies and subsequent lower blood pressure,[119][120] and decreased risk of prostate cancer.[119] Sexual intimacy and orgasms increase levels of the hormone oxytocin (also known as "the love hormone"), which can help people bond and build trust.[120][121] Oxytocin is believed to have a more significant impact on women than on men, which may be why women associate sexual attraction or sexual activity with romance and love more than men do.[8] A long-term study of 3,500 people between ages 18 and 102 by clinical neuropsychologist David Weeks indicated that, based on impartial ratings of the subjects' photographs, sex on a regular basis helps people look significantly chronologically younger.[122]

Sorry, I forgot to get the url.

The Female Sexual Response

( Adapted excerpt from "Novas Perspectivas em Ginecologia" )

Even so, considering the complexity of the female sexual response, it is known that a relatively small number of women usually achieve orgasm during vaginal coitus. As we have seen, there are some physiological reasons that account for this but, even so, they do not seem to be the main ones. The female sexual response is much more complex and problematic than the male one ( a condition aggravated by frequent misunderstandings between the two sexes due to the ignorance of the problem ). Because of this, from the point of view of the effectiveness of the physical stimulation during sexual intercourse, vaginal coitus often is much more important to men than to women.

The vagina is the ideal organ to stimulate the penis and lead men to orgasm, but the penis is not always the ideal organ to lead women to orgasm ( though some women may disagree ). Thus, in the strictly physical aspect of sexual intercourse ( and only in this physical aspect, I want to make that quite clear ), vaginal coitus seems to be more effective in satisfying men. However, from the psychological and emotional points of view, which undoubtedly are the most important ones, this observation is no longer valid, and here the value of vaginal intercourse becomes equally enormous for both sexes.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abc_sexsurvey_fakeorgasm.png

Fake orgasm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_orgasm

Gender differences

Women fake orgasms more frequently than men, with one survey finding that 26% of women fake an orgasm every time they have sex.[1] This is more than the 25% of women who report consistently having an orgasm during coitus.[2] Women tend to achieve orgasm during intercourse less readily than men because most women require direct clitoral stimulation to achieve orgasm,[3][4] and not all sexual positions provide access to the clitoris, which often makes orgasms difficult to achieve for women. For women in heterosexual relationships, faking an orgasm can also be based on deference to the man, need for his approval, or feelings of shame or sexual inadequacy.[5]

A random-sample telephone poll of 1,501 Americans showed that 48% of women and 11% of men faked orgasm.[6] Faking orgasms in men becomes easier while using condoms, since ejaculation usually accompanies orgasm in males.[7]

Other factors
Reasons for faking orgasm based on ABC News 2004 "The American Sex Survey" poll.[6]

Orgasm is not always achieved easily during sexual activity. For both sexes, the condition of being unable to orgasm during sex is called anorgasmia; it can be caused by a variety of factors, including factors in one's life such as stress, anxiety, depression, or fatigue, as well as factors related to the sex itself; including worry, guilt, fear of painful intercourse, fear of pregnancy, the undesirability of a partner, and the undesirability of a setting. It can also be caused by drug use, including alcohol and other substances, or side effects from prescription drugs.[8]

People can fake orgasms for number of reasons, such as when their partner wants them to orgasm but they are unable, or when they desire to stop having sex but are not comfortable telling their partner directly, avoiding negative consequences, or for pleasing their partner.[9]

That women should fake an orgasm was, about the year 2 AD, recommended by the Roman poet Ovid in his famous book Ars Amatoria:
“ So, then, my dear ones, feel the pleasure in the very marrow of your bones; share it fairly with your lover, say pleasant, naughty things the while. And if Nature has withheld from you the sensation of pleasure, then teach your lips to lie and say you feel it all. Unhappy is the woman who feels no answering thrill. But, if you have to pretend, don't betray yourself by over-acting. Let your movements and your eyes combine to deceive us, and, gasping, panting, complete the illusion.[10] ”

People can also fake orgasms for reasons of display or presentation, such as during phone sex or in pornography.

Evolutionary perspective

From an evolutionary perspective, females might fake orgasms in order to signal fidelity to a male partner, particularly if he is of low-genetic quality.[14] If a female has sex with many partners (employing a polygamous mating strategy) her aim may be to secure benefits from multiple males, such as resources, whilst aiming to only reproduce with males of high-genetic quality.[15] In order to secure resources from low-genetic males, the female would need to imply commitment to reproduction with each male, as males do not want to waste resources on a female who may not sire their child.[15]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fakegasm
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fauxgasm

Not reall, that answers my question. It only becomes a problem if a lot of people do it. Especially if they have 3 Massive images in their signatures as well. Then, it tends to junk up the page. Didn't realize it was an accident.

Yeah, I've been uploading pics of barefoot women on his thread, but I think there's one on the sexuality forum I might go to instead—time for me to post more in the other forums.

I'll just throw something out there to no one in particular. I do think I am atypical. None of my female friends seem to think like I do. I've had male friends tell me that I don't think like the women they know.

I do tell it like it is because I'm very much a realist. I also really like males. Always have and for most of my life, the majority of my friends have been male. I can't say that I totally know how they think. And again, I don't want to paint with a broad brush but often I can understand why men do what they do or why it is they act/talk the way they do.

Some things that men say and do, do not bother me. Perhaps part of this reason is that I am older and things that were common when I was younger are things people can't get away with now. I am even guilty of some of these things myself. And a lot of things said by men to women do not bother me because as I see it, you can't blame someone for speaking their mind or trying.

Times have changed. And while I'm all for equality, I don't consider myself a feminist. The word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps this is because some of the most vocal ones are IMO the most obnoxious.

I'm also all for... You do what you do best and I'll do what I do best. That way we can better work as a team. This is not necessarily a gender thing.

When I was growing up, my dad was the shopper. He loved to do it and always knew where to get the best deal. I realize that a popular notion is that women love to shop. My mom hated it and while I don't really love it and get as much as I can online, I consider going into a brick and mortar store a form of exercise and I can sometimes get the best bargains there so I'll do it. I don't consider myself a cheapskate but I do like to make the most of my money.

Sorry if that was rambling. It feels like it was.

I'll just throw something out there to no one in particular.
...

Camille Paglia smiles on you—maybe Gloria Steinem too.

Times have changed. And while I'm all for equality, I don't consider myself a feminist. The word just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps this is because some of the most vocal ones are IMO the most obnoxious.

I will say this about adrina and KimGordon67, I don't remember them personally insulting me—one of them said my pro-feminist credibility is lacking, but I took it as even less a slag than it was intended. (and there was probably some truth to it too )

Now as for the conservatives, such as FeNomm and The ShitHawk HisArpy, that's something else.

I'm also all for... You do what you do best and I'll do what I do best. That way we can better work as a team. This is not necessarily a gender thing.

E. Pluribus Unum

When I was growing up, my dad was the shopper. He loved to do it and always knew where to get the best deal. I realize that a popular notion is that women love to shop. My mom hated it and while I don't really love it and get as much as I can online, I consider going into a brick and mortar store a form of exercise and I can sometimes get the best bargains there so I'll do it. I don't consider myself a cheapskate but I do like to make the most of my money.

It's physical and perhaps quite useful, unlike watching a ballgame.

Sorry if that was rambling. It feels like it was.

Ramble on (particularly my threads).








The Lit Playground CMNF Club thread
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1474836

 

[psiberzerker]

"That was great. I think I'll order a pizza: maybe mushrooms and pineapple."

That just may be the most disgusting thing I have read in quite a while.

Also, thank you for that thoughtful, comprehensive post. I'm not going to quote it all, and I don't agree with everything, but you represented both sides/theories, beautifully. Could have been formatted a little more compactly, that's about it. (A lot of double spacing.)

You win this Page, so far.

 

[DMBFFF]

Grazie.