Sienna's Erotic Lounge

[Sienna]

Wow, that is powerful and I've taken morphine before. It's a fantastic drug and made me feel so good I didn't want to stop but they made me.

Time for me to sleep now. Have a great day Sienna and everyone.

((( twist ))) ... sleep well my love

 

[BrettJ]

When I first had epilepsy (nearly 50 years ago) they gave me Phenobarbitol. They don't use that much for epileptics anymore, especially not kids. For example, I would sleepwalk. One time my mom found me in the tub, full bath run - but me still in my pajamas. Good thing she heard me although I suppose if I'd slid under the water would've woken me.

After the failure of those meds, I was switched to Mysoline and Dilantin and those did the trick. 40+ years with no seizures although I sometimes wonder if the leg / body twitches I get now are mild forms. Who knows? I no longer take meds for it although some of the ones I used to take can be used to treat it as well.

BrettJ in Canada - awake

 

[fire_breeze]

Sorry it took me such a long time to read this. But I was really interested in what was said.

I hope this puts an end to the whole~ do women like big cocks? As the article says. there are so many different vaginal shapes and sizes that for each dick there is a place for it. [laughs]

As for me, I will admit to comparing myself against the "normal" type. But I have to say with age comes an "ah fuck it" attitude. It is what it is and mine feels good both to me and my hubby. So I think I will keep it.

I will say that this does bring to mind a conversation I had with a friend. We started talking about hair on the female body. I had to laugh when he talked about what was normal and it occurred to me that some people think of a woman having hair (not just in the pubis region but anywhere) is somehow not natural. And yet it seems to be that the absence of hair is what is "unnatural". We are supposed to have hair~ under our arms, on our arms, on our legs, between our legs. That we as a society have decided that hair anywhere on female body other than the head is not natural or attractive is what I find a little "odd".

How did this happen? Any ideas?

I think you can blame porn again for bringing about the shaving part at least the pubis hair. I'm not sure where the other shaved areas came from.

I hope that you will allow me to be a show-off for a moment, especially in regards to historical cultural anthropology (I suppose I should put this overtly long education to use )

Actually, no. Hair removal is NOT a result of porn - it's been a grooming practice for as long as we remember. Pubic hair removal, for example, was a practice dating as far back as 3000 BCE, in Egypt. While it served religious purposes, it also served health purposes. Egypt is hot. It was also plagued by insects that are attracted to the smell of sweat and will get trapped by the hair. Additionally, if you plucked your body hair, you were thought to be a person of leisure, who didn't have to work, so a hairless body became a status symbol, and therefore people would pluck, thread, wax or remove body hair to show their status symbols. By the way, we all seek to elevate our status - it's a basic, animalistic instinct, and anyone who denies this should read basic anthropological papers.

Many religions AND culture promote some form of hair removal, as it was believed to have differentiate humans from animals. It was also considered to be hygienic. Remember, people rarely bathed everyday. The norm was several times a month. For women, after menstruating, will often thread of wax their pubic region to get rid of old blood that may have been trapped in the hair and to prevent an infestation of live. This practice is prevalent among Muslim, Jewish, Mediterranean, Aegean, Central/Eastern European, Far-Easters, some African, Indus and many North American Native women.

For men (and women), among Muslims, trimming hair, plucking pubic hair and shaving armpits was part of the physical fitrah, enhancing one's appearance, keeping clean (cleanliness is vitally important in Islam) and is thought to be a sign of civility. (by the way, fitra includes brushing teeth, regularly washing hands, regularly washing the nether regions, clean clothing, etc.) While I am focusing on Islam, Chinese, Japanese and many Southeast Asian cultures had/have a similar approach. This mentality also spread in the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe and therefore it's very common to see both men and women to trim, if not remove most of the hair.

Also, occasionally removing body hair, completely, would prevent live from making the body a permanent home.

In Western Europe and in North America, hair removal is a relatively recent phenomenon and one that was perpetuated as pornographic and as an 'idealised' image of youth. In fact, Western Europe and North America are relatively late players in the game and seemed to be scandalised by this. Yes, over here, hair-removal = prepubescent and youth, but in many parts of the world that practice hair removal, it's not. It was a rite of passage for most women and men, indicating that are now adults, one that has been going on for at least 5000 years, if not longer (btw, that 5000 is actually a highly conservative number. If I had to put a guess, I'd put that number double. Humans, like all social animals particularly mammals, are very vain. )

Are we suppose to have hair? Maybe, I'm not a physical anthropologist, and therefore cannot make an accurate conclusion or even an educated assumption (for example, the appendix is completely useless nowadays - are we supposed to have it? The answer is no, as if it becomes inflamed it can kill). I'm a cultural anthropologist. However, we are not supposed to have painted toenails, we are not supposed to cut our hair, we aren't supposed to thread our eyebrows, wax our upper lips, wear makeup or jewelry, and yet... we do.

Bottom line, personal grooming, outside of basic hygiene, is exactly that - personal. If the couple is happy to be au naturel, so be it. If the couple want to be smooth as possible, so be it. If the couple prefers to have something in between, or mix it up, so be it. As long as people regularly bathe, who cares?

/of history lesson.

 

[photograph]

I hope that you will allow me to be a show-off for a moment, especially in regards to historical cultural anthropology (I suppose I should put this overtly long education to use )

Actually, no. Hair removal is NOT a result of porn - it's been a grooming practice for as long as we remember. Pubic hair removal, for example, was a practice dating as far back as 3000 BCE, in Egypt. While it served religious purposes, it also served health purposes. Egypt is hot. It was also plagued by insects that are attracted to the smell of sweat and will get trapped by the hair. Additionally, if you plucked your body hair, you were thought to be a person of leisure, who didn't have to work, so a hairless body became a status symbol, and therefore people would pluck, thread, wax or remove body hair to show their status symbols. By the way, we all seek to elevate our status - it's a basic, animalistic instinct, and anyone who denies this should read basic anthropological papers.

Many religions AND culture promote some form of hair removal, as it was believed to have differentiate humans from animals. It was also considered to be hygienic. Remember, people rarely bathed everyday. The norm was several times a month. For women, after menstruating, will often thread of wax their pubic region to get rid of old blood that may have been trapped in the hair and to prevent an infestation of live. This practice is prevalent among Muslim, Jewish, Mediterranean, Aegean, Central/Eastern European, Far-Easters, some African, Indus and many North American Native women.

For men (and women), among Muslims, trimming hair, plucking pubic hair and shaving armpits was part of the physical fitrah, enhancing one's appearance, keeping clean (cleanliness is vitally important in Islam) and is thought to be a sign of civility. (by the way, fitra includes brushing teeth, regularly washing hands, regularly washing the nether regions, clean clothing, etc.) While I am focusing on Islam, Chinese, Japanese and many Southeast Asian cultures had/have a similar approach. This mentality also spread in the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe and therefore it's very common to see both men and women to trim, if not remove most of the hair.

Also, occasionally removing body hair, completely, would prevent live from making the body a permanent home.

In Western Europe and in North America, hair removal is a relatively recent phenomenon and one that was perpetuated as pornographic and as an 'idealised' image of youth. In fact, Western Europe and North America are relatively late players in the game and seemed to be scandalised by this. Yes, over here, hair-removal = prepubescent and youth, but in many parts of the world that practice hair removal, it's not. It was a rite of passage for most women and men, indicating that are now adults, one that has been going on for at least 5000 years, if not longer (btw, that 5000 is actually a highly conservative number. If I had to put a guess, I'd put that number double. Humans, like all social animals particularly mammals, are very vain. )

Are we suppose to have hair? Maybe, I'm not a physical anthropologist, and therefore cannot make an accurate conclusion or even an educated assumption (for example, the appendix is completely useless nowadays - are we supposed to have it? The answer is no, as if it becomes inflamed it can kill). I'm a cultural anthropologist. However, we are not supposed to have painted toenails, we are not supposed to cut our hair, we aren't supposed to thread our eyebrows, wax our upper lips, wear makeup or jewelry, and yet... we do.

Bottom line, personal grooming, outside of basic hygiene, is exactly that - personal. If the couple is happy to be au naturel, so be it. If the couple want to be smooth as possible, so be it. If the couple prefers to have something in between, or mix it up, so be it. As long as people regularly bathe, who cares?

/of history lesson.

Thank you for posting this. These were along the lines of my thinking while reading this discussion, but you stated it much more eloquently than I could have.

My thoughts are really this: body hair is left over from our species evolving. In ancient times, yes, we needed the body hair for warmth. Now, we wear clothing and stay indoors if conditions outside are bad. Like you said, it's a personal preference, and to each their own!

 

[JoyDyan]

Thank you for posting this. These were along the lines of my thinking while reading this discussion, but you stated it much more eloquently than I could have.

My thoughts are really this: body hair is left over from our species evolving. In ancient times, yes, we needed the body hair for warmth. Now, we wear clothing and stay indoors if conditions outside are bad. Like you said, it's a personal preference, and to each their own!

Of course...and whatever floats your boat is what you should be doing with your own body.

I hope that you will allow me to be a show-off for a moment, especially in regards to historical cultural anthropology (I suppose I should put this overtly long education to use )

Actually, no. Hair removal is NOT a result of porn - it's been a grooming practice for as long as we remember. Pubic hair removal, for example, was a practice dating as far back as 3000 BCE, in Egypt. While it served religious purposes, it also served health purposes. Egypt is hot. It was also plagued by insects that are attracted to the smell of sweat and will get trapped by the hair. Additionally, if you plucked your body hair, you were thought to be a person of leisure, who didn't have to work, so a hairless body became a status symbol, and therefore people would pluck, thread, wax or remove body hair to show their status symbols. By the way, we all seek to elevate our status - it's a basic, animalistic instinct, and anyone who denies this should read basic anthropological papers.

Many religions AND culture promote some form of hair removal, as it was believed to have differentiate humans from animals. It was also considered to be hygienic. Remember, people rarely bathed everyday. The norm was several times a month. For women, after menstruating, will often thread of wax their pubic region to get rid of old blood that may have been trapped in the hair and to prevent an infestation of live. This practice is prevalent among Muslim, Jewish, Mediterranean, Aegean, Central/Eastern European, Far-Easters, some African, Indus and many North American Native women.

For men (and women), among Muslims, trimming hair, plucking pubic hair and shaving armpits was part of the physical fitrah, enhancing one's appearance, keeping clean (cleanliness is vitally important in Islam) and is thought to be a sign of civility. (by the way, fitra includes brushing teeth, regularly washing hands, regularly washing the nether regions, clean clothing, etc.) While I am focusing on Islam, Chinese, Japanese and many Southeast Asian cultures had/have a similar approach. This mentality also spread in the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe and therefore it's very common to see both men and women to trim, if not remove most of the hair.

Also, occasionally removing body hair, completely, would prevent live from making the body a permanent home.

In Western Europe and in North America, hair removal is a relatively recent phenomenon and one that was perpetuated as pornographic and as an 'idealised' image of youth. In fact, Western Europe and North America are relatively late players in the game and seemed to be scandalised by this. Yes, over here, hair-removal = prepubescent and youth, but in many parts of the world that practice hair removal, it's not. It was a rite of passage for most women and men, indicating that are now adults, one that has been going on for at least 5000 years, if not longer (btw, that 5000 is actually a highly conservative number. If I had to put a guess, I'd put that number double. Humans, like all social animals particularly mammals, are very vain. )

Are we suppose to have hair? Maybe, I'm not a physical anthropologist, and therefore cannot make an accurate conclusion or even an educated assumption (for example, the appendix is completely useless nowadays - are we supposed to have it? The answer is no, as if it becomes inflamed it can kill). I'm a cultural anthropologist. However, we are not supposed to have painted toenails, we are not supposed to cut our hair, we aren't supposed to thread our eyebrows, wax our upper lips, wear makeup or jewelry, and yet... we do.

Bottom line, personal grooming, outside of basic hygiene, is exactly that - personal. If the couple is happy to be au naturel, so be it. If the couple want to be smooth as possible, so be it. If the couple prefers to have something in between, or mix it up, so be it. As long as people regularly bathe, who cares?

/of history lesson.

I do seem to remember reading someone about this at some point. Thank you for posting it.

The appendix does serve a purpose. It is a host organ for beneficial bacteria...and while you *can* live without it, it is not useless at all. This is a relatively recent research finding and is believed to be the result of evolutionary development of an organ whose purpose was no longer necessary. Gotta admire the human body's ability to adapt.

 

[photograph]

I do seem to remember reading someone about this at some point. Thank you for posting it.

The appendix does serve a purpose. It is a host organ for beneficial bacteria...and while you *can* live without it, it is not useless at all. This is a relatively recent research finding and is believed to be the result of evolutionary development of an organ whose purpose was no longer necessary. Gotta admire the human body's ability to adapt.

I recall reading an article about this too, but couldn't find it. Good to know I wasn't crazy when I thought of it!

 

[twistinside]

I hope that you will allow me to be a show-off for a moment, especially in regards to historical cultural anthropology (I suppose I should put this overtly long education to use )

Actually, no. Hair removal is NOT a result of porn - it's been a grooming practice for as long as we remember. Pubic hair removal, for example, was a practice dating as far back as 3000 BCE, in Egypt. While it served religious purposes, it also served health purposes. Egypt is hot. It was also plagued by insects that are attracted to the smell of sweat and will get trapped by the hair. Additionally, if you plucked your body hair, you were thought to be a person of leisure, who didn't have to work, so a hairless body became a status symbol, and therefore people would pluck, thread, wax or remove body hair to show their status symbols. By the way, we all seek to elevate our status - it's a basic, animalistic instinct, and anyone who denies this should read basic anthropological papers.

Many religions AND culture promote some form of hair removal, as it was believed to have differentiate humans from animals. It was also considered to be hygienic. Remember, people rarely bathed everyday. The norm was several times a month. For women, after menstruating, will often thread of wax their pubic region to get rid of old blood that may have been trapped in the hair and to prevent an infestation of live. This practice is prevalent among Muslim, Jewish, Mediterranean, Aegean, Central/Eastern European, Far-Easters, some African, Indus and many North American Native women.

For men (and women), among Muslims, trimming hair, plucking pubic hair and shaving armpits was part of the physical fitrah, enhancing one's appearance, keeping clean (cleanliness is vitally important in Islam) and is thought to be a sign of civility. (by the way, fitra includes brushing teeth, regularly washing hands, regularly washing the nether regions, clean clothing, etc.) While I am focusing on Islam, Chinese, Japanese and many Southeast Asian cultures had/have a similar approach. This mentality also spread in the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe and therefore it's very common to see both men and women to trim, if not remove most of the hair.

Also, occasionally removing body hair, completely, would prevent live from making the body a permanent home.

In Western Europe and in North America, hair removal is a relatively recent phenomenon and one that was perpetuated as pornographic and as an 'idealised' image of youth. In fact, Western Europe and North America are relatively late players in the game and seemed to be scandalised by this. Yes, over here, hair-removal = prepubescent and youth, but in many parts of the world that practice hair removal, it's not. It was a rite of passage for most women and men, indicating that are now adults, one that has been going on for at least 5000 years, if not longer (btw, that 5000 is actually a highly conservative number. If I had to put a guess, I'd put that number double. Humans, like all social animals particularly mammals, are very vain. )

Are we suppose to have hair? Maybe, I'm not a physical anthropologist, and therefore cannot make an accurate conclusion or even an educated assumption (for example, the appendix is completely useless nowadays - are we supposed to have it? The answer is no, as if it becomes inflamed it can kill). I'm a cultural anthropologist. However, we are not supposed to have painted toenails, we are not supposed to cut our hair, we aren't supposed to thread our eyebrows, wax our upper lips, wear makeup or jewelry, and yet... we do.

Bottom line, personal grooming, outside of basic hygiene, is exactly that - personal. If the couple is happy to be au naturel, so be it. If the couple want to be smooth as possible, so be it. If the couple prefers to have something in between, or mix it up, so be it. As long as people regularly bathe, who cares?

/of history lesson.

Wow, so much good information breeze. Thank you for that and for showing off your historical cultural anthropology education. It certainly comes in handy at times and is very useful here.

 

[twistinside]

Of course...and whatever floats your boat is what you should be doing with your own body.

I do seem to remember reading someone about this at some point. Thank you for posting it.

The appendix does serve a purpose. It is a host organ for beneficial bacteria...and while you *can* live without it, it is not useless at all. This is a relatively recent research finding and is believed to be the result of evolutionary development of an organ whose purpose was no longer necessary. Gotta admire the human body's ability to adapt.

It is amazing what the body can do, how it adapts and just basically how it functions. Sometimes I think I should have gone into medicine since I'm so fascinated with the human body, especially the female body of course

 

[Gaia_Lorraine]

I hope that you will allow me to be a show-off for a moment, especially in regards to historical cultural anthropology (I suppose I should put this overtly long education to use )

Actually, no. Hair removal is NOT a result of porn - it's been a grooming practice for as long as we remember. Pubic hair removal, for example, was a practice dating as far back as 3000 BCE, in Egypt. While it served religious purposes, it also served health purposes. Egypt is hot. It was also plagued by insects that are attracted to the smell of sweat and will get trapped by the hair. Additionally, if you plucked your body hair, you were thought to be a person of leisure, who didn't have to work, so a hairless body became a status symbol, and therefore people would pluck, thread, wax or remove body hair to show their status symbols. By the way, we all seek to elevate our status - it's a basic, animalistic instinct, and anyone who denies this should read basic anthropological papers.

Many religions AND culture promote some form of hair removal, as it was believed to have differentiate humans from animals. It was also considered to be hygienic. Remember, people rarely bathed everyday. The norm was several times a month. For women, after menstruating, will often thread of wax their pubic region to get rid of old blood that may have been trapped in the hair and to prevent an infestation of live. This practice is prevalent among Muslim, Jewish, Mediterranean, Aegean, Central/Eastern European, Far-Easters, some African, Indus and many North American Native women.

For men (and women), among Muslims, trimming hair, plucking pubic hair and shaving armpits was part of the physical fitrah, enhancing one's appearance, keeping clean (cleanliness is vitally important in Islam) and is thought to be a sign of civility. (by the way, fitra includes brushing teeth, regularly washing hands, regularly washing the nether regions, clean clothing, etc.) While I am focusing on Islam, Chinese, Japanese and many Southeast Asian cultures had/have a similar approach. This mentality also spread in the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe and therefore it's very common to see both men and women to trim, if not remove most of the hair.

Also, occasionally removing body hair, completely, would prevent live from making the body a permanent home.

In Western Europe and in North America, hair removal is a relatively recent phenomenon and one that was perpetuated as pornographic and as an 'idealised' image of youth. In fact, Western Europe and North America are relatively late players in the game and seemed to be scandalised by this. Yes, over here, hair-removal = prepubescent and youth, but in many parts of the world that practice hair removal, it's not. It was a rite of passage for most women and men, indicating that are now adults, one that has been going on for at least 5000 years, if not longer (btw, that 5000 is actually a highly conservative number. If I had to put a guess, I'd put that number double. Humans, like all social animals particularly mammals, are very vain. )

Are we suppose to have hair? Maybe, I'm not a physical anthropologist, and therefore cannot make an accurate conclusion or even an educated assumption (for example, the appendix is completely useless nowadays - are we supposed to have it? The answer is no, as if it becomes inflamed it can kill). I'm a cultural anthropologist. However, we are not supposed to have painted toenails, we are not supposed to cut our hair, we aren't supposed to thread our eyebrows, wax our upper lips, wear makeup or jewelry, and yet... we do.

Bottom line, personal grooming, outside of basic hygiene, is exactly that - personal. If the couple is happy to be au naturel, so be it. If the couple want to be smooth as possible, so be it. If the couple prefers to have something in between, or mix it up, so be it. As long as people regularly bathe, who cares?

/of history lesson.

breezy my love, of all the words I have read from you these are without doubt the most profound and interesting

 

[Gaia_Lorraine]

Now listen

I have an Orgasmotron and I whole heartedly recommend you all get one. It is family grooming fun and does EXACTLY what it says on the can.... it releases those endorphins and gives you a feeling of relaxation so divine...

Orgasmotron

 

[raiguy]

Now listen

I have an Orgasmotron and I whole heartedly recommend you all get one. It is family grooming fun and does EXACTLY what it says on the can.... it releases those endorphins and gives you a feeling of relaxation so divine...

Orgasmotron

I looked at that GL, and I'd rather it be my SO's fingers. Something about that just seems better than an orgasmotron. Could be me though. Although, I've always found that simply playing with my hair can take me from extremely agitated to ready to sleep with 10 minutes to a half hour of time. Is that normal? Maybe not, but something about that simple action just really calms me down. It's the same way with back rubs.

 

[twistinside]

Now listen

I have an Orgasmotron and I whole heartedly recommend you all get one. It is family grooming fun and does EXACTLY what it says on the can.... it releases those endorphins and gives you a feeling of relaxation so divine...

Orgasmotron

I've used one before that some friends had and thought it felt great also although having a SO do it would probably be better but the Orgasmotron did send shivers up and down my body. No it wasn't an orgasm but still felt really good.

 

[blulilacgrl]

Wow! Where is everyone tonight? Hello... hello...helllo [laughs]

 

[BrettJ]

Saying hello to BLU and also wondering where folks might be hiding?

BrettJ in Canada

 

[blulilacgrl]

Saying hello to BLU and also wondering where folks might be hiding?

BrettJ in Canada

They have abandoned us!


(((BRETT)))

 

[BrettJ]

Or they're having fun doing something else that we're not doing {{BLU}}

Oh well, not much we can do about it.

BrettJ in Canada

 

[BrettJ]

Before I forget to mention it, here's my Earth Day Contest entry.

The Outdoorsman

BrettJ in Canada

 

[blulilacgrl]

Or they're having fun doing something else that we're not doing {{BLU}}

Oh well, not much we can do about it.

BrettJ in Canada

How can they be having any fun without us?!

 

[BrettJ]

People have fun without me all the time. It's practically become a way of life.

BrettJ in Canada

 

[Sienna]

People have fun without me all the time. It's practically become a way of life.

BrettJ in Canada

((( Brett ))) ... How can they have fun without reading your stories?

 

[BrettJ]

I don't know how many people read my stories SIENNA although I know I passed 6 million hits quite some time back. I do thank you for the compliment though.

The latest seems to be going over well although someone found two minor glitches. ~sigh~ I do hate it when that happens but at least I got it in for the contest. Got to continue adding up those points.

I see you're up early yet again.

BrettJ

Author / Up Late or Early, depending on one's view / Sensualist

 

[Sienna]

I see you're up early yet again.
BrettJ
Author / Up Late or Early, depending on one's view / Sensualist

Yes, it's the start of another week for me Brett. All back to a normal schedule now that Easter is out of the way and the girls are at school I can also concentrate on some of the things I need to do regarding my present health situation

 

[BrettJ]

I wish you luck with the health issues SIENNA, I know all-too well how things dragging on can slow you down. Part of my issue for years was my own fear of the unknown and had I known how simple the last procedure would prove to be, I would have done it years ago. My eye issues - it seems hard to believe it was nearly 12 years ago that I had my eye surgery.

BrettJ in Canada

 

[Sienna]

I wish you luck with the health issues SIENNA, I know all-too well how things dragging on can slow you down. Part of my issue for years was my own fear of the unknown and had I known how simple the last procedure would prove to be, I would have done it years ago. My eye issues - it seems hard to believe it was nearly 12 years ago that I had my eye surgery.
BrettJ in Canada

My problem is not that serious for now. This cyst would or could cause future "painful" problems has I get older and removal would be surgery requiring opening me up and leaving quite a visible scar on my belly. The keyhole surgery obviously leaves a much smaller scar, yet I have seen the results. It might not be large, but it will be visible. I am pleased that the meds have reduced the size of the "thing", which was to make the keyhole surgery much easier. In other words the first stage is done. The second stage is just a few days process consisting of local anaesthetic, the short procedure, stitching and resting up to 72 hours. But, the idea of being "marked" for life is making me anxious

 

[PrissOff]

*curtsies and introduces herself to Sienna*



Good luck with your procedure. I haven't read enough history in this thread to know where the cyst is located, but my sister had one removed from her ovaries a few months back and wasn't so lucky to have the minimally invasive surgery, so she's a scar to remember it by.