Recognition for New Poets

[My Erotic Tail]

A Poem Academy

The Academy for Poetry~ (in this thread only)
..........IS NOW OPEN.........................

I have been encouraged and Inspired to start
a thread that reviews/comments/feedback
Poems that don't get recognition.
(Thank You WickedEve, Liar and Angeline)
This site (Lit) puts out quite a few poems.
It is hard to comment and review them all.
Some don't get the recognition they deserve.
The Poets are what I will call in a
college level. I am at a High School level
(Okay elementary Nursery Ryhme level, but anyway)

I admit I am at the learning stage of poetry and don't
understand alot about sonnets, wit, sic, meters and
so forth (Thanks Wicked) But am reading and learning
more all the time. As I read the poems here at LIT~
I become Inspired. As I read them I will comment/discuss
any poem I find moving or needs recognition. Or that
I learn from. I encourage any to do the same, here.

IF YOU WANT YOUR POEM READ...let me know
IF YOU WANT A DISCUSION CIRCLE...we can do that too
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT POETRY...ask and we
can find the answers.
WE CAN WORK ON YOUR POEM (Poetry workshop?)
OR WE CAN REVIEW IT.

This is a thread designed to encourage new and old
poets. You can post with a link to your poem (or just give it's name and date posted) and it will be read by me or another.

This is a poem playground at the Poetry Academy
We can learn, post, write, encourage and Inspire together.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED
TO ENCOURAGE...not discourage!

Please post your Poem, comments
AND /OR Poems/Feedback
or educate me in a conciderate manner.
Thank You
Art~

 

[templeminded]

well too cool. a place where we "nobodys" can be "somebodys". then we all can feel special. i am very glad to see this new thread. and dare i say, much needed thread. most i think are just everyday people, passing time with something they enjoy, but the "good" real writers out there i think get up set with us because we are not as professional as they.

 

[WickedEve]

Thank you for starting this thread MET. It really is needed. I hope everyone enjoys it. It should be a wonderful and comfortable place for many of the new poets. And when they're ready, I hope they'll explore other threads on the poetry board.

Let me know if you need anything Met.

 

[Angeline]

well too cool. a place where we "nobodys" can be "somebodys". then we all can feel special. i am very glad to see this new thread. and dare i say, much needed thread. most i think are just everyday people, passing time with something they enjoy, but the "good" real writers out there i think get up set with us because we are not as professional as they.

Hi temple.

I just want to go on record as saying I would truely feel bad if I thought I were making anyone feel unprofessional or "un" anything about their writing. That is never my intent. I worked as an editor for years and when I comment on a poem I think that is reflected in my feedback. It's just the way I see writing.

The last thing I want to do is make anyone feel I am judging their poetry less worthy than anything I or anyone here writes. I just don't see it that way--when I comment I'm only trying to help. I do feel though that if I think something is good, I need to explain why. If I think something in a poem is not working I either don't say anything or I try to say it as objectively as possible. That is the way I was taught to edit.

Art, I like and respect you. I know you're a good guy, but I need to understand how this thread is different from other ones here that offer feedback. I'm not trying to be difficult, really, but I think you're suggesting that there's a difference here, and I don't understand what it is. Anyway, if you think my kind of feedback is not helpful, just say so and I'll stay out of the thread.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Day one~

Thank You Temple~
Thank You Wicked~
Wish me luck cause here we go....
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First off let me congradulate twelveoone
for their green "E" they recieved for the poem
Promised Land IV part a
This is better than the gold stars the teachers would
place on your school work...way to go twelveoone...
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The Rafting of the Water
By steve porter
Any body who knows me knows I love a river...
this poem hit home..well my river flows slow and casual
but I recall the kern river rapids when I read this.
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Home by simply_elegance
She has three wonderful poems out...
I chose this one because I'm curious
about the spacing...I've seen it on a comment
somewhere that spacing plays a major roll in
poetry can any one enlighten me?
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Suddenly Hello by Girl Friend...this poem is short and sweet...I think. do you feel
it should be longer? Perhaps but the title does say Hello suddenly..hehe
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Limerick set 008- Western Heroes By Uncle Pervey
Now Uncle Pervey almost always has a laugh
hidden in his poems and I enjoy reading them...
this may not be his best but shows his style of wit and humor...thanks Perv
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hunger by Ronrigo This is a poem worthy of Halloween, scarey yet erotic
yep it's in the right place.
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Well I got a late start but had to get the ball rolling...
hope this kicks off well and let me know what you think or
have learned or can teach me about poetry...
Thanks~
Art~

 

[WickedEve]

Ange, I think this is going to be more of a "newbie" or novice poet thread. I think MET wants to call attention to poems that are overlooked. I know that I (and some of us) recommend more polished poems and fail to call attention to poems that we see as being simple rhyme. I've often worried about not mentioning these poems, because I know how many readers are fond of this kind of poetry, and some of us aren't letting the readers know that these poems are out there. I know I shy away from poetry that has simple rhyme and no metaphors, but I realize their is an audience for those poems. So, I believe MET will be discussing those poems, and talking to the poets who enjoy writing them. Is that right, MET?

 

[Angeline]

Ange, I think this is going to be more of a "newbie" or novice poet thread. I think MET wants to call attention to poems that are overlooked. I know that I (and some of us) recommend more polished poems and fail to call attention to poems that we see as being simple rhyme. I've often worried about not mentioning these poems, because I know how many readers are fond of this kind of poetry, and some of us aren't letting the readers know that these poems are out there. I know I shy away from poetry that has simple rhyme and no metaphors, but I realize their is an audience for those poems. So, I believe MET will be discussing those poems, and talking to the poets who enjoy writing them. Is that right, MET?

Thanks.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Ang~

Hi temple.

I just want to go on record as saying I would truely feel bad if I thought I were making anyone feel unprofessional or "un" anything about their writing. That is never my intent. I worked as an editor for years and when I comment on a poem I think that is reflected in my feedback. It's just the way I see writing.

The last thing I want to do is make anyone feel I am judging their poetry less worthy than anything I or anyone here writes. I just don't see it that way--when I comment I'm only trying to help. I do feel though that if I think something is good, I need to explain why. If I think something in a poem is not working I either don't say anything or I try to say it as objectively as possible. That is the way I was taught to edit.

Art, I like and respect you. I know you're a good guy, but I need to understand how this thread is different from other ones here that offer feedback. I'm not trying to be difficult, really, but I think you're suggesting that there's a difference here, and I don't understand what it is. Anyway, if you think my kind of feedback is not helpful, just say so and I'll stay out of the thread.

The only difference I can pin point would be the new
poems review has a reviewer for each day...
this is more of a post your link or poem and it will
get attention. You know we don't all post poems
for feedback but the few I've encouraged to post
here at Lit seem's to feel they are Newbies...
not as professional a writer as those Poets that
mentioned considerably for they do have great poems.

I would like to learn how to write better so here we can
exchange ideas...poems...and or comment/feedback.
Thank you for the kind words...grasshopper
this is just my way trying to ensure everyone...including
the little guy gets attention...
Thanks~
Art~

 

[My Erotic Tail]

YEP

Ange, I think this is going to be more of a "newbie" or novice poet thread. I think MET wants to call attention to poems that are overlooked. I know that I (and some of us) recommend more polished poems and fail to call attention to poems that we see as being simple rhyme. I've often worried about not mentioning these poems, because I know how many readers are fond of this kind of poetry, and some of us aren't letting the readers know that these poems are out there. I know I shy away from poetry that has simple rhyme and no metaphors, but I realize their is an audience for those poems. So, I believe MET will be discussing those poems, and talking to the poets who enjoy writing them. Is that right, MET?

UH!
Yeah...what she said...<snicker>

thanks wicked
couldn't (didn't) say it better my self....

 

[annaswirls]

I am just glad that I finally figured out who MET was, um hi and thanks for the comment on my poem!

I have had contact with many novice poets over this past um 10 months I guess it has been. It is all give and take. We all learn from each other.

Thanks for doing this MET.

~as

 

[twelveoone]

OK, I got a couple of interesting emails.I admire your honesty.
What's up?
I have no idea what it takes to get an "E", I was told it was because Laurel or Manu liked it, maybe, some editor complained because the format is so screwy.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Welcome~

OK, I got a couple of interesting emails.I admire your honesty.
What's up?
I have no idea what it takes to get an "E", I was told it was because Laurel or Manu liked it, maybe, some editor complained because the format is so screwy.

Thanks anna~

Yep, twelveoone...
a green 'E' means
EDITORS CHOICE...
(They liked it)

congradulations...

I admire the style and can only
imagine the time spent on such a piece...
I have no Idea what it's about and I read
it twice. But I admire the style and break-ups

I have to ask cause I don't know...
but does this particular style have a name?
and what is it? Inquiring mind here
at the Academy of Poetry.
We only wish to learn!

thank you for posting...
Art~

 

[Angeline]

Re: Ang~

The only difference I can pin point would be the new
poems review has a reviewer for each day...
this is more of a post your link or poem and it will
get attention. You know we don't all post poems
for feedback but the few I've encouraged to post
here at Lit seem's to feel they are Newbies...
not as professional a writer as those Poets that
mentioned considerably for they do have great poems.

I would like to learn how to write better so here we can
exchange ideas...poems...and or comment/feedback.
Thank you for the kind words...grasshopper
this is just my way trying to ensure everyone...including
the little guy gets attention...
Thanks~
Art~

Ok, Art. Gotcha. Glad you understood where I'm coming from, too.

 

[annaswirls]

well too cool. a place where we "nobodys" can be "somebodys". then we all can feel special. i am very glad to see this new thread. and dare i say, much needed thread. most i think are just everyday people, passing time with something they enjoy, but the "good" real writers out there i think get up set with us because we are not as professional as they.

Hey Temple, I just wanted to let you know that in another place I sometimes post poems, I feel like I might upset the "good" writers by not being professional as they are, so I know the feeling. It is all in degrees, you know?

And a matter of taste. Sometimes the "good" writers there I think omg what a bunch of crap, they just like to hear themselves talk, and that is not even a good poem, just a big name etc etc etc

I personally do not like much of the poetry out there that is supposedly good in that it follows the guidelines for being a good poem. I like it a little rough.

I like men whose teeth are not straight too.

Character, baby.

So welcome, feel free to tread wherever you feel comfortable, there are plenty of people here in addition to the moderators who have made me feel welcome. You will hopefully meet some with whom you click!

keep writing, that is the main thing,

~anna

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Re: Re: Ang~

Ok, Art. Gotcha. Glad you understood where I'm coming from, too.

Oh...I know where your coming from...
the bed room probably...<snicker>

No ...Angeline is definetly one of the better
critics along with WickedEve, blacktulip, tristesse
DanaQt, Elizabetht Bama, Annora and a list of many more
oh lets not forget tathagata, neo and many more
who do read the poems and comment in respectful ways
I will have to dig up one day the Anonymous
comments I've gotten that weren't as nice
that guys a menace..hehehe

and Grasshopper...
I enjoy writing music as well (~_*)
like...
My baby don't know she's an angel...
cause she's got a little devil in her too

Missing you

Making Memories

2000 years ago...oh how that star shone

water off a ducks back

decoyed in

deer camp boogie

shot gun blues

Trinity River Rat band man....

Night Night
Art~

 

[My Erotic Tail]

A Poem~

I felt this poem wouldn't get the
reviews it deserved because it's in Italian
so I got a translater off the net (Dicti.com
and wordreference.com)

and
wow this was a very good poem,
my opinion of course...pieced <snicker>
His love for Rositi....and their time together...

Verso sud (to the sud) by ULISSE



It wasn't easy and very broken such as...

Verso Sud (to the sud)
Verse south (to the south)

(last two lines)

Quindici anni son pochi, Rosita.
Ma per te sono stati la vita.


fifteen
years/age
(I)
few/ little
Rositi...(Rose/ a person's name?)


But (or lame duck)...hehehe
for
(I)
in
country/home
life/long time

Romantic poem...
that I felt needed special attention...
here at the Academy of poetry
Art~

(ps) I learned some Italian...hehehe

 

[twelveoone]

Re: Welcome~

Thanks anna~

Yep, twelveoone...
a green 'E' means
EDITORS CHOICE...
(They liked it)

congradulations...

I admire the style and can only
imagine the time spent on such a piece...
I have no Idea what it's about and I read
it twice. But I admire the style and break-ups

I have to ask cause I don't know...
but does this particular style have a name?
and what is it? Inquiring mind here
at the Academy of Poetry.
We only wish to learn!

thank you for posting...
Art~

As far as I know, I don't know of anyone mad enough to try to have four things going on at once, with sections leaping about. This is a section. As a section, things are refering to things preceding, things afterwards. It is a bit of a montage, it does have discrete pieces. As to theme, you picked up on a piece of it.
I should pull it and do the formatting right, some things should be read downward, that is lost.
I left clues (names, references) all over it as to what it is about.
here is one:
"Like luminous nodes in glowing phosphor gas"
McLuhan sez to Loomis Pound
In 1948 Marshall McLuhan was corresponding with Ezra Pound, this is almost his quote (I ran two phrases together) McLuhan was impressed with what Pound was doing with poetry, I found this on the internet. So I am playing with it.
Both accepting it and rejecting it.
"B" is not as complex, at least not now, it is not done, and I will take greater pains with the format. Hopefully, you will find that funnier, and darker.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Twelveoone's poem~

Hey Twelveoone~

well the four sections I liked...
matter o fact inspirational
I didn't know who the people were
which was my own ignorance I guess
of course the manoge' or groups were
suppose to be helps...they went over my head
but the idea and time it took...admired!
great poem and well deserved "E"

Art~

 

[twelveoone]

Re: A Poem~

I felt this poem wouldn't get the
reviews it deserved because it's in Italian
so I got a translater off the net (Dicti.com
and wordreference.com)

and
wow this was a very good poem,
my opinion of course...pieced <snicker>
His love for Rositi....and their time together...

Verso sud (to the sud) by ULISSE



Romantic poem...
that I felt needed special attention...
here at the Academy of poetry
Art~

(ps) I learned some Italian...hehehe

I agree with you on this, what little I could make of it, it was like seeing a beautiful woman from a distance, and knowing you can't get closer.

In another thread, I disagree with you on YDD, he was probably the best critic here, he may have not been a nice guy all the time, then who is?

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Re: Re: A Poem~

I agree with you on this, what little I could make of it, it was like seeing a beautiful woman from a distance, and knowing you can't get closer.

In another thread, I disagree with you on YDD, he was probably the best critic here, he may have not been a nice guy all the time, then who is?

well I disagree....about YDD...but...

The Same Difference~
Every living creature on this planet is the same.,.
We have life!
Yet every creature is different...

Every living creature has the same destiny...
Death!
Yet we will all die differently.

Every creature will hunger and thirst
But for different things.

We are all bound to this Earth...
But our ties are different.

We are all like the buds of a rose bush.
We will all bloom at different times.

The rose has its beauty that we wish to see,
but if we get pricked do we not bleed?

But the one thing we will all do the same?
see this world ...differently!

He had a look down his nose atitude...
his Pms to me were kinder than his comments to
some other poets...you want the best critic
look at wicked...tristesse...or even black tukip...
in my book anyway...but hey we all see this world
differently...
Art~

but this is not a thread to discuss the dreaded
critic...but I did like ULISSE'S poem...moving..
thanks again twelveoone

 

[My Erotic Tail]

A lesson in Poetry

Lesson for The Poem Academey

Basic Poetry:
(Thanks Wicked)
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link
but I can open up the door for what terms
mean in poetry.

I had no Idea for instance...
I get all the time in my poems/comments
that my meters off....
(heck didn't even know I had one...lol)

so here are some basic poetry terms
and definitions

Meter:
There are 5 basic rhythms of stressed
and unstressed syllables used in english poetry.

Meter = rhythm pattern

(stressed syllables are in caps)
Two-syllable foot meters are
Iambic:
That TIME of YEAR thou MAYST in ME beHOLD

Trochaic:
TELL me NOT in MOURNful NUMbers

Spondaic:
BREAK, BREAK, BREAK on thy COLD GRAY STONES, O SEA!

Three syllable feet meters:
Anapestic:
and the SOUND of a VOICE that is STILL

Dactylic:
THIS is the FORest priMEvil, the MURmuring PINES and the HEMlock there
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Simile:
Figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as.
examples: cheeks like roses
quiet as snow
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Rhythm:
Each unit of rhythm is called a "FOOT" of poetry.

Every line of poetry contains a certain number of feet.

Monometer = 1 foot
Dimeter = 2 feet
Trimeter = 3 feet
Tetrameter = 4 feet
Pentameter = 5 feet
Hexameter = 6 feet
Heptameter = 7 feet
Octameter = 8 feet

and so forth ...

REMEMBER .. foot = a whole unit of meter.
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Limericks: (oh I like this one...hehehe)
Limericks are humorous verses.
It is a five line poem with a rhyme pattern (aabba).
The rhyme should be catchy and flow together.

examples:
Ogden Nash:

A flea and a fly in a flue
Were imprisoned, so what could they do?
Said the fly, "let us flee!"
"Let us fly!" said the flea.
So they flew through a flaw in the flue.

limericks ©0_Seeker_0

there was a girl from Wales
who told so many tall tales
she started one story
it became so gory
that all of her readers turned pale

jailed ©Delicate_Flower

so many voices demanding attention
confined in a cell for infraction'
no legal advice
the guards, they aren't nice
the dog pound's a place of rejection
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Poetic License:
The liberties poets take in regard to diction,
grammar, and pronunciation (lol)
to achieve effect or to adhere to the
requirements of a poem, such as meter
or rhyme. Assonance would be an example
of poetic license in regards to a rhyme scheme.

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Haiku:
Haiku is a highly structured form of
oriental poetry. Each poem has three lines.
The first line contains five syllables, second line
contains seven syllables and the third
line contains five syllables. Traditionally
haikus are nature based subject wise.

hope ©Delicate Flower

rainbow of color
found suspended in the sky
heavens gift gives hope

© jenn

on the horizon
oppressive humidity
a storm yet to break

nature smiles © jenn

brilliant yellow suns
shining upwards, spreading warmth
black eyed susans dance

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Thats enough for now and also what
I see the most of here.
These and many many more are at "Basic Poetry"
Inspired me...hehehe...I really liked
the limerick and I also seen where uncle perveys
been doing some...might give
it a go...Night
Art~

 

[WickedEve]

Re: A lesson in Poetry

Meter:
There are 5 basic rhythms of stressed
and unstressed syllables used in english poetry.

Meter = rhythm pattern

(stressed syllables are in caps)
Two-syllable foot meters are
Iambic:
That TIME of YEAR thou MAYST in ME beHOLD

Trochaic:
TELL me NOT in MOURNful NUMbers

Spondaic:
BREAK, BREAK, BREAK on thy COLD GRAY STONES, O SEA!

Three syllable feet meters:
Anapestic:
and the SOUND of a VOICE that is STILL

Dactylic:
THIS is the FORest priMEvil, the MURmuring PINES and the HEMlock there

You have the definition of meter, but do you really get it? Could you write an english sonnet using iambic pentameter? I don't write sonnets. I'm having trouble with meter.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

Uh......

Not just "No"
But "Heck"...NO....

It's greek to me....

I thought I'd try Limerick...
looks fun and simple and close to
what I do now...hehehehehe

I do have a situation that happened
today that has been on my mind strongly
that I'll have to write about and I'll post.

Riverside...posted and it's my first attempt
at no Ryhme....

thanks Eve~
Art~

 

[Liar]

Re: A lesson in Poetry

Simile:
Figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as.
examples: cheeks like roses
quiet as snow

This one belongs in a chapter all by itself IMO.

An advice for both new and old poets, is to look at what you're trying to say, and then try to find new ways to say it. Using similies are one of many ways to do this. Here's a link to a site that lists a whole buch of other metods to vary one's language. This is not meant to be a handbook, just some reading for y'all to perhaps get inspired by. All those methods called "devices" or sometimes "figues" have weirdo old greek names. But don't let that scare you. Read the example phrases, and maybe get a little inspired to try out new forms of expression, that's all.

Linguistic Phenomena/Devices

You probably use alot of those already without knowing that they were "devices". Then my advice is to explore the others, and add them too to your arsenal.

#L

 

[WickedEve]

Re: Re: A lesson in Poetry

This one belongs in a chapter all by itself IMO.

An advice for both new and old poets, is to look at what you're trying to say, and then try to find new ways to say it. Using similies are one of many ways to do this. Here's a link to a site that lists a whole buch of other metods to vary one's language. This is not meant to be a handbook, just some reading for y'all to perhaps get inspired by. All those methods called "devices" or sometimes "figues" have weirdo old greek names. But don't let that scare you. Read the example phrases, and maybe get a little inspired to try out new forms of expression, that's all.

Linguistic Phenomena/Devices

You probably use alot of those already without knowing that they were "devices". Then my advice is to explore the others, and add them too to your arsenal.

#L

Great link. I just book marked it.