Mueller finding evidence of collusion. So is Congress.

[phrodeau]

If a woman allows someone to grab her pussy? What does that even look like?

 

[sr71plt]

So far, not enough has been found.

That is sheer wishful, unsupportable speculation. You have no idea what they've found (and neither do I--except I'm not so dumb that I can't see plenty of wrongdoing already admitted--and sometimes boasted--by the Trump crowd in public). The Mueller investigation doesn't have to announce each indictment they formulate as soon as they formulate it. You have absolutely no knowledge of what conclusions they've already reached and/or indictments that are being--or not being--built.

This is just your usual ignorant twaddle, Box.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That is sheer wishful, unsupportable speculation. You have no idea what they've found (and neither do I--except I'm not so dumb that I can't see plenty of wrongdoing already admitted--and sometimes boasted--by the Trump crowd in public). The Mueller investigation doesn't have to announce each indictment they formulate as soon as they formulate it. You have absolutely no knowledge of what conclusions they've already reached and/or indictments that are being--or not being--built.

I agree that neither you nor I nor anybody else really knows anything about what has been found, if anything. However, you are speculating that something has, while I am saying that we don't know but, since nothing has been made public, there is no reason to think there is anything. Nobody on this forum has any knowledge of what has been reached or what indictments, if any, are being built.

What wrongdoing has been admitted. Trump Jr. has admitted to discussing the election with a Russian, but I'm not even sure that's even illegal. Has he or anybody else been charged with any crime?

 

[Boxlicker101]

If a woman allows someone to grab her pussy? What does that even look like?

I don't know. I don't grab pussies; I fondle and kiss and lick them, which is much more fun.

 

[Beco]

For money, not political or philosophical beliefs. Only for raw money. Some traitors are easily bought.

What crimes? Mueller would not have been able to seat a grand jury nor obtain a before-dawn raid warrant if the existence of crimes had not been established to judicial satisfaction. Tromp himself has already admitted to sexual crimes, bribery, and attempting to obstruct justice. His family have admitted their Russian contacts, which were illegal. His business empire is built on fraud and money laundering.

What crimes? Wait for the indictments, and see.

EDIT: I betcha Tromp is now sorry he technically beat Hillary for the White House. Losing would have built his brand more. Winning puts him in the crosshairs. Your past sins gonna bite your ass, boy.

I really seriously doubt that.... Obama unmasked dozens based on a hunch.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Grand juries are seated to determine whether or not there is sufficient evidence of a crime to warrant an indictment. So far, not enough has been found. And they are looking hard.

Bear in mind that a sitting president can't be indicted. He can be impeached. All of the allegations that might conceivably be stretched into something impeachable have now been quietly buried for lack of a scintilla of evidence. The only conceivable purpose of continuing the Mueller song-and-dance is to hint at future revelations and keep the media engines grinding, in order to manipulate the narcissistic and labile Trump in the direction desired by Mueller's superiors.

None of this has the slightest to do with Trump being right-wing, or bigoted, or an unscrupulous business hustler. The reason for the unprecedented media assault is the concern that Trump has not been properly groomed and has not convincingly demonstrated his allegiance to the neocon/Wall Street paradigm, which Bush, Obama and Clinton are all slavishly devoted to. Trump said he was for Glass-Steagall. He said he favored repairing the nearly ruined relations with Russia and China. He said he was for building infrastructure. Does he understand these issues? Is he sincere? Who knows? But these topics must be kept out of the public discourse at all costs, and who knows what Trump may tweet tomorrow. That's why the oligarchy is so desperate to beat him into submission, and they may very well succeed, because he's a bozo.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Bear in mind that a sitting president can't be indicted. He can be impeached.

That's not entirely correct.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html

WASHINGTON — A newfound memo from Kenneth W. Starr’s independent counsel investigation into President Bill Clinton sheds fresh light on a constitutional puzzle that is taking on mounting significance amid the Trump-Russia inquiry: Can a sitting president be indicted?
. . .
“It is proper, constitutional, and legal for a federal grand jury to indict a sitting president for serious criminal acts that are not part of, and are contrary to, the president’s official duties,” the Starr office memo concludes. “In this country, no one, even President Clinton, is above the law.”
​

All of the allegations that might conceivably be stretched into something impeachable have now been quietly buried for lack of a scintilla of evidence.

Which is why Mueller's team interviewed Steele to get more information on the dossier, and the Senate committee head came out this week and said they are digging deeper.

 

[sr71plt]

Right. There's been no agreement on the "whether a president can be indicted" issue, so to say he can't be indicted for felony crime, for instance, is the wishful thinking bluffing of Trump and his dupes/dopes.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Russia-gate puppies!

Won't someone think of the puppies?

 

[phrodeau]

Won't someone think of the puppies?

Be sure to use hand sanitizer.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/health/puppies-campylobacter-outbreak-cdc/index.html

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Be sure to use hand sanitizer.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/health/puppies-campylobacter-outbreak-cdc/index.html

Those fiendish Russian communists! First it was flouridated water, now it's infected puppies!

It may be hard to somehow connect this to Trump, but really, who cares about Trump as long as we can get that long-awaited WWIII?

 

[someoneyouknow]

Right. There's been no agreement on the "whether a president can be indicted" issue, so to say he can't be indicted for felony crime, for instance, is the wishful thinking bluffing of Trump and his dupes/dopes.

Somewhere early on I remember a story or two which said a sitting president is not immune from lawsuits arising from his personal dealings before assuming office. It was why he settled all those legal cases before he took the throne.

Since these acts took place before the election, there is no reason he couldn't be indicted.

 

[sr71plt]

Somewhere early on I remember a story or two which said a sitting president is not immune from lawsuits arising from his personal dealings before assuming office. It was why he settled all those legal cases before he took the throne.

Since these acts took place before the election, there is no reason he couldn't be indicted.

There isn't even an authoritative judgment on whether he can be prosecuted for a felony committed while in office.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Chuck Grassley may be a Republican, but he's not a total idiot. He's asking exactly the right question about foreign meddling in US politics, to whit: what are the British up to?

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-presses-fbi-use-foreign-intelligence-russia-investigation-and-whether

 

[sr71plt]

The British are pretty much busy with their own problems at the moment. Beyond that, up until recently, they've been so married to the United States in the intelligence field that they (and the United States), although operating from self-interest, couldn't be "up to" much of anything against the interests of the other anything like the Russians or Chinese can be and are.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

The British are pretty much busy with their own problems at the moment. Beyond that, up until recently, they've been so married to the United States in the intelligence field that they (and the United States), although operating from self-interest, couldn't be "up to" much of anything against the interests of the other anything like the Russians or Chinese can be and are.

That, of course, is the neo-con point of view, which perfectly coincides with the British point of view. Russia and China are busily engaged in the biggest infrastructure-building project in world history. President Xi has invited the US to join, even offering to finance infrastructure projects in the US itself. If the US were to join, the British efforts to maintain dominance in the fields of financial and raw materials speculation would fall flat. They need the US to continue its endless series of regime change wars to keep the poor countries helpless and in turmoil, and they helpfully suggest new targets which the US invariably accepts. The idea that the US might cooperate with the rest of the world, instead of petulantly and sanctimoniously bullying it, gives the Brits nightmares. They invented geopolitics as a rationale for their traditional imperialism, and the US bought it, hook, line and sinker, after the untimely death of FDR (who must be spinning in his grave at the ghastly foreign policy which some of you so ardently support.)

 

[sr71plt]

Umm, no. That's the view of someone who worked in U.S. intelligence--and closely with the British--and against the Soviets and Chinese--for 30 years.

And know that it means so much to you to categorize me, though. Go ahead. It means nothing.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I rest my case.

 

[sr71plt]

Promises, promises. (Probably worth as much as Trump's declarations).

 

[Beco]

An investigation, in search of a crime...............any crime, come on, anything! Jay walking??

 

[jaF0]

^^ If it gets 'Rump kicked to the curb, I'll take it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

An investigation, in search of a crime...............any crime, come on, anything! Jay walking??

It is getting to be a drag, but it's still rather amusing. Here we have all these investigators floundering around, trying to come up with something - anything - and failing, despite all the time and effort and money they have invested in it. You'd think they would have something better to do, such as twiddling their thumbs or reading pornography.

Maybe they will settle for jay walking, but I doubt that would be considered to be a high crime or even a misdemeanor.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

It is getting to be a drag, but it's still rather amusing. Here we have all these investigators floundering around, trying to come up with something - anything - and failing, despite all the time and effort and money they have invested in it. You'd think they would have something better to do, such as twiddling their thumbs or reading pornography.

Maybe they will settle for jay walking, but I doubt that would be considered to be a high crime or even a misdemeanor.

They don't have to charge Trump with a crime. They need only keep coyly promising that there will be new revelations just around the corner, in order to feed the media scandal engines and keep Trump under maximum psychological pressure. They need him to be on the defensive so that he doesn't impulsively keep one his campaign promises, such as the restoration of Glass-Steagall, better relations with Russia, a serious infrastructure program, or more recently, a debt moratorium for Puerto Rico. Any one of those things could mean serious trouble for the Wall Street oligarchy, so they need an environment where Trump doesn't dare bring them up.

The problem is, Trump is such a doofus that he doesn't understand the game that is being played here. He also made such a tangle of contradictory promises that he probably doesn't even know which are the ones that made him a target.

 

[sr71plt]

Why would anyone need to hint about a Trump pratfall around the corner when he provides us a Trump pratfall every three hours?

You are disgusting for still following this jackass shyster. Unless you're one of those Russian trolls propping him up on Internet discussion boards, in which case, congrats for hanging in there as Trump careens over the cliff, Ivan.

 

[Hypoxia]

It is getting to be a drag, but it's still rather amusing. Here we have all these investigators floundering around, trying to come up with something - anything - and failing, despite all the time and effort and money they have invested in it.

Let me guess: you plant your seeds on 15 April and bitch that the tomatoes aren't ripe by 1 June.

In this case, the tomatoes are ready to be plucked. Trump family and campaign collusion with a hostile foreign state to fuck USA elections was admitted. Tromp has admitted obstructing justice; the not-very-liberal Brookings Institution just called for impeachment there. Grand juries are sniffing. Harvest time nears.