Just wondering

[hoo_hoo_boo]

I can't isolate why you need to be worried about this, HHB. If you are worried about where trouble writing and posting incest stories is headed, you just don't do it, right?

As several have noted, it's written and published in the mainstream--as is pedophila, incidentally--so a whole lot is going to have to change (in both fields) for writers of it to find themselves behind bars.

If truth be known, the problem erotica sites have in posting it is the practitioner readers of it, not the writers of it. Along with readers capable of separating fiction from fact--or call to action--posting files of it attract practitioners, or would-be practitioners, of the illegal aspects of it. Watchdogs are fully capable of tracing sources of those reading it on the Internet when they are so inclined to do so and willing to put the effort into it. Web sites are wary of attracting this sort of scrutiny.

So, if you must worry, worry about whether you are hooked on reading it on the Internet--and then what you are actually doing in your life, not so much on whether you are writing it. (Although watchdogs may be giving you a closer look see as well if you are writing illegal aspects of it, of course.)

Thank you. There is little to incest that I am comfortable with and I find it gratuitous. I'm not hooked on it by any means. If I read it it's a mistake. I don't make many mistakes.

I guess you're saying that it will all depend on how offensive it will be deemed to be in years to come. The essence is that it is now so prolific that it would be impossible to lock up those who write it and even more, those who read it. I know that at the moment police charge those who have pedo stuff on their computers. I will be ok if their attention turns to incest because it certainly hasn't taken over mine. I find it a boggling thought that this could happen. I wondered whether others shared my concern. I also wondered whether my concern was justified and am reasonably reassured that it isn't. Thank you for your help.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

True story here.....Last year I broke off a lengthy relationship with a psychotic *&^&&&....Any way, she left semi-peacefully but stole my computer on hr way out. All of my stories, both published and un-published were on an auxiliary drive. After months of phone calls, complaints to the cops, and e-mails I gave up and decided I wasn't seeing it again.
Six months later I get a call from a detective. He worked for the pedo squad. I was informed that this bitch had given them the aux drive telling them that I had child porn on it. The FBI scoured the drive as did the local police. No illegal material was found. Even though the guy found the content of the incest tales not to his liking, there was nothing illegal about them as they are creative works.

Your experience must have been frightening. Thank you for sharing it. In saying they are creative works I guess it's that they were fiction. I wonder what has been registered about you by the police. At least you discovered the true nature of the "*&^&&&" You also provide reassurance that there is a reasonable attitude in the law enforcement. Thank you.

 

[sr71plt]

I guess you're saying that it will all depend on how offensive it will be deemed to be in years to come.

Ummm, no. That's not what I meant at all. But if that's what you want to choose to take from what I posted, that's OK with me.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

When you say "retrospective" I presume you mean "retroactive." In the US, the Constitution forbids ex-post facto laws. Sometimes arrests are made for events from many years ago, but they are for things done which were illegal at the time.

The incest we write about here is quite mild, always involving people over 18 and almost always being consensual. If we wrote any other way, the stories very likely would not have been posted.

The word "pedophilia" by whatever spelling wasn't much used when I was a child, but sometimes men were accused of liking little girls or lttle boys, and this meant the same thing.

Yes- it does mean the same thing and it was a time when it was illegal for men to be in playgrounds. I remember that, fathers having to watch their children play from behind the fence and when one was knocked senseless by the hurdy gurdy, having to yell for the child's rescue.

It's the difference between English and American spelling. I think the American is better but am obliged by convention to use the English.

I find your message reassuring. Thank you.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Another point and one I've made before is in reality the "crime" of incest rarely exists.

If a child is being molested by a family member, and its usually the father with the daughter or son. Several charges are levied.

Child abuse, sexual assault, molestation, statutory rape etc... incest is never brought out as a charge.

Also pedophilia is a condition and I'm not sure it is an actual "crime" as in a charge of pedophilia. I believe the above charges are what's levied.

And of course just so you know that pedophilia is encouraged by two organizations here in this country

The Catholic Church who condones it by burying it and not punishing the priests and its okay in college football because in the most disgusting corrupt sport that will ever exist apparently anything goes.

I know nothing about college football. The Catholic church - and others, can speak for them selves.
People here are certainly charged with paedophillia. It's rare for anyone to be charged with incest.
Thank you for your comments.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Ummm, no. That's not what I meant at all. But if that's what you want to choose to take from what I posted, that's OK with me.

I thought the extension logical. Sorry. I know it's very difficult to review the future without a reliable glass orb in front to peer into. I thought there must be a logical way to be predictive. I have been surprised that people are surprised I found it an issue, I don't think it is a "collective ignorance" and it is comforting. To me it is about freedom of speech and if one really wants a problem one can always prohibit it
Thank you.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Thank you. There is little to incest that I am comfortable with and I find it gratuitous. I'm not hooked on it by any means. If I read it it's a mistake. I don't make many mistakes.

I guess you're saying that it will all depend on how offensive it will be deemed to be in years to come. The essence is that it is now so prolific that it would be impossible to lock up those who write it and even more, those who read it. I know that at the moment police charge those who have pedo stuff on their computers. I will be ok if their attention turns to incest because it certainly hasn't taken over mine. I find it a boggling thought that this could happen. I wondered whether others shared my concern. I also wondered whether my concern was justified and am reasonably reassured that it isn't. Thank you for your help.

It's not illegal to have pedo stuff on your computer, unless it is photos or videos. Drawings and written matter are not illegal. If I chose to do so, which I never will, I could write graphic stories about anally raping my seven year old granddaughter. Lit. wouldn't post it, but it would not be illegal to write it.

 

[SevenSquared]

I think, as most people have already stated, incest writers have little to worry about ever being arrested for it. Writing about incest isn't illegal, nor is writing about pedophilia, or murder, or rape. Possessing indecent images of children is illegal, because there is a victim (the child in the photograph). There is no victim in a fictional incest story, any more than there is in a Stephen King novel.

However, there is maybe an important seed of truth in h-h-b's paranoia. While it is highly unlikely that anybody will be arrested for something published on Lit, that doesn't mean it couldn't be used against you in court on an unrelated charge. If you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself falsely accused of a sex crime, and if prosecutors find out about your Lit stories, they could certainly be used to paint a very negative picture of you in court.

 

[SevenSquared]

its okay in college football because in the most disgusting corrupt sport that will ever exist apparently anything goes.

What are you talking about here? Are you taking the rather specific Jerry Sandusky case and saying that there is some kind of wider conspiracy, even though Sandusky's crimes were not directly related to the college program but rather his charitable foundation and nearly everyone at college is over 18 anyway?

 

[sr71plt]

What are you talking about here? Are you taking the rather specific Jerry Sandusky case and saying that there is some kind of wider conspiracy, even though Sandusky's crimes were not directly related to the college program but rather his charitable foundation and nearly everyone at college is over 18 anyway?

Obviously Lovecraft68 has never heard of men's figure skating (which, yes, takes more athletic ability than most positions in football take).

 

[DeeZire]

What are you talking about here? Are you taking the rather specific Jerry Sandusky case and saying that there is some kind of wider conspiracy, even though Sandusky's crimes were not directly related to the college program but rather his charitable foundation and nearly everyone at college is over 18 anyway?

Sandusky's crimes were directly related to the college program because he was employed by the college program, doing his dirty deeds on the college campus, and his employers knew about it but did not have him arrested because they were worried about bad publicity harming their football program. That's just the tip of the iceberg of corruption in college football, but getting into it would require a whole new thread.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Obviously Lovecraft68 has never heard of men's figure skating (which, yes, takes more athletic ability than most positions in football take).

Why would you say Men's Figure Skating is disgusting and corrupt? If you want disgusting and corrupt, try professional boxing. A rather high percentage of male figure skaters are gay, but that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[SevenSquared]

Sandusky's crimes were directly related to the college program because he was employed by the college program, doing his dirty deeds on the college campus, and his employers knew about it but did not have him arrested because they were worried about bad publicity harming their football program. That's just the tip of the iceberg of corruption in college football, but getting into it would require a whole new thread.

I'm aware of the details of the case. I just don't see how an incident of one coach using college facilities to facilitate his extra-curricular activities can remotely be expanded to insinuate some kind of widespread college football involvement in pedophilia.

 

[sr71plt]

Why would you say Men's Figure Skating is disgusting and corrupt? If you want disgusting and corrupt, try professional boxing. A rather high percentage of male figure skaters are gay, but that shouldn't be a problem.

The topic was Jerry Sandusky types. Two of the leading men's coaches (still) in men's figure skating have been subjects of tell-all books on not taking students (and, yes, minors) unless they let him fuck them. And as far as corruption, you can't get much more documented sports corruption than in figure skating judging.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

I think, as most people have already stated, incest writers have little to worry about ever being arrested for it. Writing about incest isn't illegal, nor is writing about pedophilia, or murder, or rape. Possessing indecent images of children is illegal, because there is a victim (the child in the photograph). There is no victim in a fictional incest story, any more than there is in a Stephen King novel.

However, there is maybe an important seed of truth in h-h-b's paranoia. While it is highly unlikely that anybody will be arrested for something published on Lit, that doesn't mean it couldn't be used against you in court on an unrelated charge. If you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself falsely accused of a sex crime, and if prosecutors find out about your Lit stories, they could certainly be used to paint a very negative picture of you in court.

Thank you for supporting Boxlicker in giving the reason for stories not being a problem. I agree about the negative picture in court too.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

What are you talking about here? Are you taking the rather specific Jerry Sandusky case and saying that there is some kind of wider conspiracy, even though Sandusky's crimes were not directly related to the college program but rather his charitable foundation and nearly everyone at college is over 18 anyway?

I have never heard of Jerry Sandusky. I think I can be excused from discussion about him. Thank you.