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There are even more weird categories - foot porn; amputee porn; toe-sucking...
Not on Lit, though. Yet.
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There are even more weird categories - foot porn; amputee porn; toe-sucking...
Not on Lit, though. Yet.
I ran across this today:
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...lobby-offensive-cotton-decor-goes-super-viral
Yeah. Cotton.
I think this blew me away because cotton itself is one of the most massively useful plants ever discovered, probably bowing only to wood and consumable grains. It's nearly as workable as wool and you don't have to chase it to get it. We have uses for every part of the plant. As plants go, it deserves to be celebrated.
Sure, the US exploited labor to harvest it. No question. But it's hard to blame the plant. If we want to blame plants for things, we have a lot of options:
Wood. used to torture people. Crosses are offensive.
Most grains and fruits. Harvested by exploited and underpaid labor to this day.
Olives. A clear provocation to alcoholics.
Marijuana. The leading cause of Reefer Madness. Still offensive to many politicians, the poor dears.
Corn. Fed to livestock. I don't have to tell you what livestock is for. Vegans rightly recoil in horror.
Clearly it's wrong to display any of these substances publicly. And I promise you, this list could be extended for quite some time. As someone allergic to poison ivy and entirely unable to tell it from Hedera helix, I can't tell you how offensive I find most Christmas displays.
At least the Tucson lady's doing it on her own dime and not ours.
as long as other tribes set off a subliminal fear reaction . . . gets the vapors over cotton puffs, anyway.
I ran across this today:
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...lobby-offensive-cotton-decor-goes-super-viral
Yeah. Cotton.
I think this blew me away because cotton itself is one of the most massively useful plants ever discovered, probably bowing only to wood and consumable grains. It's nearly as workable as wool and you don't have to chase it to get it. We have uses for every part of the plant. As plants go, it deserves to be celebrated.
Sure, the US exploited labor to harvest it. No question. But it's hard to blame the plant. If we want to blame plants for things, we have a lot of options:
Wood. used to torture people. Crosses are offensive.
Most grains and fruits. Harvested by exploited and underpaid labor to this day.
Olives. A clear provocation to alcoholics.
Marijuana. The leading cause of Reefer Madness. Still offensive to many politicians, the poor dears.
Corn. Fed to livestock. I don't have to tell you what livestock is for. Vegans rightly recoil in horror.
Clearly it's wrong to display any of these substances publicly. And I promise you, this list could be extended for quite some time. As someone allergic to poison ivy and entirely unable to tell it from Hedera helix, I can't tell you how offensive I find most Christmas displays.
Since anything can have the race card played on it, the race card is fast becoming a 0 point card in most people's hands. And that is the last thing an oppressed minority needs.
But back to the original point - as long as other tribes set off a subliminal fear reaction, they will find a place in sexuality. Sometimes not a healthy place, but that's not unique to IR. I doubt it's ever going anywhere. Not while anyone gets the vapors over cotton puffs, anyway.
I grant you she has the right of free speech, and if she wants to set up in a public park decrying the display of cotton puffs, she's got a right. We don't have a law against making a damn fool of yourself here, as recent politics will attest.
But there's a real (sometimes media exaggerated, but still very real) race problem in this country, and she's a symptom of it and a hindrance towards a solution. Look for the coming porn videos where some white woman gets used on a cotton bale by a bunch of angry black dudes (and, of course, loves it).
As far as I can tell, although racial attitudes generally are improving, IR porn is going gangbusters, so I would agree it's unlikely we'll see the end of it anytime soon.
Is it racist? Depends on the way it's portrayed. I write all IR but I don't think any of mine is racist, although I do throw in racism, almost always in a negative way because that's how I generally see it. But of course there are those who see any IR erotica or sex as racist and they'd no doubt slam my stories as racist regardless.
I think the relevant stereotype in that area is "Asian women are submissive sex toys for white guys who find white women too assertive". I don't recall any of your stories pandering to that one; if anything, they usually seem to challenge it.
Is she really a significant hindrance, though? I feel like anybody who latches on that FB post as a reason to deny the reality of racism is probably somebody who was looking for any excuse at all to deny the reality of racism, and that sort of person can always find their excuse one way or another.
That's exactly the problem. When you have someone who manages to make a mockery of their own position, the other side embraces the willing delusion that the other other side is uniformly at best stupid.
And the problem with a topic like this is it can so very easily veer off into politics can't it? And part of the issue with discussing interracial porn and racism is it can be such a very political topic.
Porn itself is one of those things that used to be condemned for it's sexual explicitness alone, but as that's faded it's now the exploitative aspects that are condemned and judged and that's even more subjective. We see that more and more now with interracial porn / erotica and it's moved into non- porn aspects of interracial relationships, with many people taking very judgemental positions based on the permutation of the relationship.
It kind of always goes back to interpretation. The racism is in the mind of the creator and the recipient of the porn. One persons interracial porn can be someone else's racism and it's almost always subjective.
Interracial porn racist? I would think it is the exact opposite.There was a discussion at work today that i heard when someone said that all interracial porn was racist. Everyone just agreed with him and no one contested it, i would have done but i didn't understand what he was getting at. I enjoy interracial porn (WW/ BM) and millions of other people do all over the world and i just wondered if people felt the same here too and could explain why as i don't see what's racist about it. I think it can be quite the opposite and really beautiful.
Interracial porn racist? I would think it is the exact opposite.
As far as I can tell, although racial attitudes generally are improving, IR porn is going gangbusters
It's possible it's going gangbusters because it's trivial to film. Neither whites and blacks are in short supply, and put them naked in a room together and the narrative writes itself in the minds of many viewers. Which saves the porn producer from doing any writing. Which I suppose is good because as far as I can tell a lot of them suck at it.
I think you can tell a lot about a society from the advertising aimed at it; but the actual products themselves are more complex to analyze. Anyone can made an ad and they can hammer away using any fantasy they like, which is why shampoos have connotation-heavy, meaning-free names like "herbal escape" (excuse me, why are the herbs escaping, and I'd rather they stayed in the bottle anyway?) The fact that advertising like that works tells me that a lot of people would like to escape the confines of their sad lives and get themselves back to the garden, much more than they worry about how clean their hair gets: herbs don't do all that much for hair.
But product - hey, I'm sure porn producers could do better with hotter women, more realistic acting, etc. But that costs money and they are under price pressure from amateurs doing stuff for free, and places with looser laws. So it's a never ending quest for the bottom - driven there by what they can get. (Not many women grow up dreaming of being porn stars).
So I don't think we can assume that porn reflects society. I hope not. As best I can tell from the places I'd seen, most sex is ugly undeserving men fucking rather-past-prime women (made up to look young), black guys doing "sluts" who respond with questionably convincing enthusiasm as sluts go, and lesbians who don't seem to get wet for each other and have no idea how to flirt. If that's representative of our dreams of sex, let alone the real thing, we have worse problems than I think.
Now what you can infer from erotic writing... that's more interesting. There are some doctrinal theses lurking on this site (I think at least one was already done.)
I haven't read through the replies, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person to say this, it depends on the context. If the partners just happen to be different races, even if some of the obvious issues come up, it's not racist, just as a story where one of the partners is Jewish isn't necessarily anti-Semitic.There was a discussion at work today that i heard when someone said that all interracial porn was racist. Everyone just agreed with him and no one contested it, i would have done but i didn't understand what he was getting at. I enjoy interracial porn (WW/ BM) and millions of other people do all over the world and i just wondered if people felt the same here too and could explain why as i don't see what's racist about it. I think it can be quite the opposite and really beautiful.
Now if it focuses on BBC's (Big Black Cocks) it is probably racist.
Take the website Blacked.com, for example. It's all about black guys fucking white women. The white women often are presented as living in beautiful and obviously expensive houses. But the interesting thing is that the black men typically aren't presented as workmen, or pool boys, or whatever. They are boyfriends of white girlfriends or friends, or friends of husbands.