Hate crimes against Jews are up 400% since Donnie took office.

[hashtag46]

Anti-Defamation League study finds 86 percent increase in anti-Semitic bullying and vandalism since the beginning of 2017.

It's obvious what they're aiming at : "Since Trump got elected, hate crimes against All minority groups skyrocketted".

But that's a simplistic approach to play into a certain segment of the popullation's claim that Trump = Hitler.
Plus Trump's rhetoric wasn't anti- semitic. On the contrary.


So what would ge a more complex explanation as to why that might have happened?
Or is it just that they have been more thorough in the collection of such data ?

 

[rocket_surgery]

If the Jews can fake an entire Holocaust and an Olympic massacre then they can easily fake a rise in hate crimes.

 

[hashtag46]

If the Jews can fake an entire Holocaust and an Olympic massacre then they can easily fake a rise in hate crimes.

Is this a joke? (I hope)

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's obvious what they're aiming at : "Since Trump got elected, hate crimes against All minority groups skyrocketted".

The ADL is talking about hate crimes against Jews in particular. The SPLC looks at the wider picture.

But that's a simplistic approach to play into a certain segment of the popullation's claim that Trump = Hitler.

Trump lacks the imagination to be Hitler. The problem is that he just doesn't care what trouble his rhetoric causes.

Plus Trump's rhetoric wasn't anti- semitic. On the contrary.

So what would ge a more complex explanation as to why that might have happened?

His rhetoric is always vague and open to interpretation, but a generalized dog-whistle of hate is usually present, and his base fills in the blanks and feels emboldened to hate whomever they want to hate, and to many of them, Jews are always on the list, for rather complex historical reasons bearing little resemblance to German anti-Semitism even when consciously imitating same. (IME, American white racists identify Jews with the Civil Rights movement as well as left-wing politics in general, plus there's the religious-prejudice element, which actually played little role in Hitlers' Germany.)

 

[hashtag46]

Just like we are seeing here at lit, the rest of the RW racists are feeling safer to practice their own special brand of hate. You'd think they would be happy they won but all they can do is whine and preach their hate.

Aren't you the one who posted pictures of cremation devices and gas chambers from the Hollocaust, alongside cheerleading comments and anti- semitic slurs,

Under exactly this same alt, RobDownSouth?

 

[rocket_surgery]

Is this a joke? (I hope)

I often say the same thing when I see any of your posts.

 

[hashtag46]

The ADL talking about hate crimes against Jews in particular. The SPLC looks at the wider picture.



Trump lacks the imagination to be Hitler. The problem is that he just doesn't care what trouble his rhetoric causes.



His rhetoric is always vague and open to interpretation, but a generalized dog-whistle of hate is usually present, and his base fills in the blanks and feels emboldened to hate whomever they want to hate, and to many of them, Jews are always on the list, for rather complex historical reasons bearing little resemblance to German anti-Semitism even when consciously imitating same. (IME, American white racists identify Jews with the Civil Rights movement as well as left-wing politics in general, plus there's the religious-prejudice element, which actually played little role in Hitlers' Germany.)

I agree. And anti- semitism has been on the rise in Europe too.

Although despite his racist rhetoric, I don't think that deep down, Trump is that much of a racist or the Hitler type.
I think he's just an opportunist, who said whatever it took in order to win.

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But I disagree with your generalisation "his base". Not all Trump supporters are racists.

He was clever in that he combined two rhetorics which attracted two entirely different large demographics, thus ensuring his win:
- racists and oakies
- and the normal citizens who took only the good part from his rhetoric (his criticism of the previous US warmongering, the anti- globalist rhetoric) and saw him as their way out of the downward slope created by the globalist- corporatist establishment.


If people weren't so fed up with the neoliberal - globalist - corporatist worldwide trend, Trump and other extremist nationalistic parties in Europe wouldn't have won.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If people weren't so fed up with the neoliberal - globalist - corporatist worldwide trend, Trump and other extremist nationalistic parties in Europe wouldn't have won.

Well, right-populist authoritarian nationalism is one alternative to that trend -- but left-populist social-democratic progressivism is another and a better.

 

[hashtag46]

Well, right-populist authoritarian nationalism is one alternative to that trend -- but left-populist social-democratic progressivism is another and a better.

It might well be, but to a layperson like me who's less versed in politics, they don't quite come across that way.
They should employ better PR prople.

I think that if you asked most normal people who voted for Trump, they would say that none of his opponnents inspired much confidence. And that they saw Trump as being the lesser of evils.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It might well be, but to a layperson like me who's less versed in politics, they don't quite come across that way.
They should employ better PR prople.

I think that if you asked most normal people who voted for Trump, they would say that none of his opponnents inspired much confidence. And that they saw Trump as being the lesser of evils.

Apart from the racist/xenophobic factor, which was real and important, they (with some justice) saw Clinton and the Dems as tools of the plutocracy, and plutocrat Trump as somehow an alternative. Believe it or not, early in the 2016 primary campaign cycle, many voters found themselves wavering between Trump and Sanders -- and an appearance (grounded in substance in Sanders' case, but not in Trump's) of anti-plutocracy is the one common factor the two shared.

 

[hashtag46]

1.Apart from the racist/xenophobic factor, which was real and important,

2.they (with some justice) saw Clinton and the Dems as tools of the plutocracy, and plutocrat Trump as somehow an alternative. Believe it or not, early in the 2016 primary campaign cycle, many voters found themselves wavering between Trump and Sanders -- and an appearance (grounded in substance in Sanders' case, but not in Trump's) of anti-plutocracy is the one common factor between them.

2.So true, indeed.

1.It was important, I agree.
But I think that no more than let's say 1/4th of his supporters are like that.

Because if most of them were like that, it would mean that half of the US is made of racists.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, right-populist authoritarian nationalism is one alternative to that trend -- but left-populist social-democratic progressivism is another and a better.

It's hardly authoritarian nationalism.

Not hating your country and enforcing immigration laws/borders is not nationalism, or even xenophobia, it's basic common sense.

And no, neo-socialism isn't better....it's un-Ameircan and it fucking blows for anyone who's not part of the elitist snob demographic too.

Apart from the racist/xenophobic factor, which was real and important, they (with some justice) saw Clinton and the Dems as tools of the plutocracy, and plutocrat Trump as somehow an alternative. Believe it or not, early in the 2016 primary campaign cycle, many voters found themselves wavering between Trump and Sanders -- and an appearance (grounded in substance in Sanders' case, but not in Trump's) of anti-plutocracy is the one common factor the two shared.

With TOTAL justice.

And no Sanders isn't grounded in substance....the guy is a 1% elitist, another plutocrat puppet.

 

[hashtag46]

And it depends on some liberals' definition of racism- xenophobia.

I'm very against illegal immigration, but I'm not a racist.

Too bad that most illegal immigrants in the US are latinos.
I won't start singing the kumbaya just out of political correctness. People should respect the law, regardless of whether they're white, brown, pink or blue.

If liberals are so concerned about poverty, there are countries in Europe, Assia and Africa that are just as poor. Why favor South America?

 

[BotanyBoy]

And it depends on sone liberals' definition of racism- xenophobia.

They are neo-socialist/communist....they aren't liberals and they don't hold hardly any liberal values.

Their definition of racism and xenophobia is " Shit lefties don't want to hear." .

That's about all those words mean coming from them.

I'm very against illegal immigration, but I'm not a racist.

Oh, believing in ANY borders or immigration laws makes you a racist xenophobe according to these nut jobs.

Too bad that most illegal immigrants in the US are latinos.
I won't start singing the kumbaya just out of political correctness. People should respect the law, regardkess of whether they're white, brown, pink or nlue.

RACIST NAZI!!!

 

[hashtag46]

^^^ Shit stirrer.

 

[phrodeau]

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And anti- semitism has been on the rise in Europe too.

It's actually declining in most of Europe, and only increasing in English-speaking countries.

 

[hashtag46]

They are neo-socialist/communist....they aren't liberals and they don't hold hardly any liberal values.

Actually that makes sense and explains the many contradictions in their beliefs.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually that makes sense and explains the many contradictions in their beliefs.

They like to call themselves 'liberal' and 'progressive' to hide the fact that they are just run of the mill socialist.


People who want free shit from the government and can't see anything beyond that.

 

[rocket_surgery]

I only want to say that I am very disappointed that the only person to call me out on denying the Holocaust was the one guy that I would expect to deny the Holocaust.
Honestly thought I'd get a bigger reaction even if it was obviously a joke.

 

[hashtag46]

It's actually declining in most of Europe, and only increasing in English-speaking countries.

Good point and true.

BTW
This reminded me: There was a liberal report some time ago that gipsies are oppressed and face horrible discrimination in most European countries.

Bollocks. Just another urban legend created by the liberal machine, in order to demonstrate the evil of the white race.

And if a bit of that exists, they were confusing prejudice with racism.
If theft from the white man wasn't so acceptable among some of them, people wouldn't start guarding their pockets when they saw 3 male gipsies offering to help old ladies at the ATM machines.
There are good and bad people among them, but it pays to be careful with strangers, when statistics show that theft is more prevalent among a particular ethnic group.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And no, neo-socialism isn't better....it's un-Ameircan and it fucking blows for anyone who's not part of the elitist snob demographic too.

Not if progressivism/social democracy is what you mean by "neo-socialism," which is not a good name for it.

And no Sanders isn't grounded in substance....the guy is a 1% elitist, another plutocrat puppet.

What do you base that on?

 

[hashtag46]

Liberals are right from one pov.
- Our ancestors -more specifically, their leaders- were responsible for a lot of injustice and atrocities against non-whites.
And whites still have more power than other ethnic groups at the moments, so racist attitudes on their part are likely to be far more damaging and we should guard against them.

But it's not like whites are more prone to evil and racism than non-whites.
There are blacks, asians and latinos who have anti- white attitudes too. It's just that they didn't or don't have the power.



I'm with libs. when it comes to taking a stance against racism.

But what annoys me about the mainstream liberal rhetoric, is that they come across as having an ulterior motive:
They seem to have an anti- white agenda, as in villifying and trying to weaken the european western mainstream culture. As evidenced by their attacks on Christianity while indiscriminately propping other religions, and other attacks on one's sense of national identity.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Isn't Trump's son-in-law Jewish? And didn't Ivanka convert when she married him? Dinner's with pop would probably be difficult if he was an actual anti-semite.

 

[KingOrfeo]

BTW
This reminded me: There was a liberal report some time ago that gipsies are oppressed and face horrible discrimination in most European countries.

Bollocks. Just another urban legend created by the liberal machine, in order to demonstrate the evil of the white race.

I don't know if it's still going on, but Gypsies/Roma in Europe certainly have suffered a lot of discrimination in the past, and the Nazis treated them the same as Jews.

And if a bit of that exists, they were confusing prejudice with racism.

Racism is one of several forms of prejudice, and anti-Gypsy feeling certainly is a form of racism, in the European tradition of equating nationalities/ethnicities with races.

If theft from the white man wasn't so acceptable among some of them, people wouldn't start guarding their pockets when they saw 3 male gipsies offering to help old ladies at the ATM machines.

Have you ever seen that happening? Would you even know a Roma if you saw one?

There are good and bad people among them, but it pays to be careful with strangers, when statistics show that theft is more prevalent among a particular ethnic group.

There is certainly a cultural stereotype that Gypsies are thieves, but I don't know of any statistics to back it up -- do you?

 

[hashtag46]

They simply want Europe to become a melting pot from all points of view, as in Christianity and other western cultural legacies to lose their primacy.

And those europeans who hang on to their national identity and want western values to remain at the forefront are being labelled as "racists".
Even of they are tolerant of and accept immigrants.