Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[badbabysitter]

Trump vs Biden

Sexual predator versus Sexual Predator

bad bad choice

 

[BotanyBoy]

You said this about Warren. Sounds to me like you think she can get rid of capitalism.

I don’t think she can, not even Stalin, Mao or Kim were able to get rid of capitalism.

I think based on her own words and proposals she wants to try. Which is not at all the same as thinking she can.

 

[YDB95]

Trump vs Biden

Sexual predator versus Sexual Predator

bad bad choice

I don't like Biden either, but you're comparing a cold to cancer here! Perspective, folks: what matters most is getting rid of Trump. So we don't want to cripple our nominee right out of the gate. (That said, I hope our nominee isn't Biden and I don't believe it will be him in the end - but let's not eat our young!)

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't like Biden either, but you're comparing a cold to cancer here! Perspective, folks: what matters most is getting rid of Trump.

And that being all the D’s have to offer is why they aren’t going to do well.

 

[Adre]

I don’t think she can, not even Stalin, Mao or Kim were able to get rid of capitalism.

I think based on her own words and proposals she wants to try. Which is not at all the same as thinking she can.

Wanting to regulate markets is not the same as wanting to get rid of them. We’ve seen what happens when humans are given free rein.

 

[YDB95]

And that being all the D’s have to offer is why they aren’t going to do well.

Not according to the polls that show Trump might not even carry Texas.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wanting to regulate markets is not the same as wanting to get rid of them. We’ve seen what happens when humans are given free rein.

Eliminating private ownership of the means of production and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't “regulation” of markets it’s full on socializing them in the most anti-American way possible comrade. Like it or not some 1/4 of the D’s including Warren want major parts of if not the majority of the US economy and the distribution of goods and services owned and or controlled collectively.

Yes the most advanced and prosperous civilizations in history happened.

You should google “Korean peninsula at night” and see the difference between the “free reign” Korea to the south with that horrible evil capitalist economy and the socialist comrades to the north with their “regulated” economy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not according to the polls that show Trump might not even carry Texas.

And in 6 months those same polls will be saying and the (D) echo chamber will all be gloating over the OBVIOUS fact that he’ll have NO chance of re-election I’m sure.

 

[Adre]

Eliminating private ownership of the means of production and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't “regulation” of markets it’s full on socializing them comrade. Like it or not some 1/4 of the D’s including Warren want major parts of if not the majority of the US economy and the distribution of goods and services owned and or controlled collectively.

Yes the most advanced and prosperous civilizations in history happened.

And eventually collapsed. Appropriate regulation keeps them prosperous.

You should google “Korean peninsula at night” and see the difference between the “free reign” Korea to the south with that horrible evil capitalism and the socialist comrades to the north with their “regulated” economy.

You’re saying South Korea is unregulated? Not. And it’s “rein” not “reign.”

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[BotanyBoy]

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Eliminating private property, enterprise and limiting individual sucess =/= “appropriate regulation” ......unless N. Korea of course but we tend to frown on that in the USA.

No I’m not saying it’s unregulated I’m saying it hasn’t tried to eliminate private enterprise and private property or control the distribution of goods and services the way Warren and other socialist members of the DNC advocate.

Do you support policies like Warrens “Accountable Capitalism Act” and AOC’s “New Green Deal” ?

 

[Adre]

Eliminating private property, enterprise and limiting individual sucess =/= “appropriate regulation” ......unless N. Korea of course but we tend to frown on that in the USA.

No I’m not saying it’s unregulated I’m saying it hasn’t tried to eliminate private enterprise and private property or control the distribution of goods and services the way Warren and other socialist members of the DNC advocate.

Do you support policies like Warrens “Accountable Capitalism Act” and AOC’s “New Green Deal” ?

No as to AOC or her agenda. Some of Warren’s Act has merit, such as requiring some shareholder support for political donations. It seems she wants good corporate governance, not to abolish capitalism as you claim. As you see no shades of gray when discussing these matters I’ll likely take a pass from now on. I was part of the corporate world for many years, and none of it is all good or all bad. Looking for ways to improve the way things operate is not a bad thing, and it’s not anti-capitalist. And leaving markets free to regulate themselves is downright stupid.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I like Kamala but she hasn't shown the drive or intensity yet. She's very subdued. She could pick up. A lot of the others have great single issues, but aren't laser focused on the Presidency.

imho Biden, Warren, and Buttigieg are gunning for the whole enchilada, and know it. They have the longest game.

Buttigieg is as smart as Bill Clinton, as thoughtful as Obama. I am totally behind him. I think he'd step in and be fantastic, and out of all of them, even Sanders, he's the most likely to actually be able to enact profound Progressive changes. He's just smart about not advertising it. Both he and Biden are the best bets to crush Trump in debates. But he has a problem with the minority vote.

Warren is fine but I worry about her vulnerability to attack and swiftboating. I don't like her response to the whole Pocahantas thing, it shows she can let Trump get to her.


No offense to Bernie supporters out there but I think he's a half-senile clown. He doesn't talk to people, he rants. I have zero faith that he could get anything done. He doesn't want the Presidency per se, but a soapbox, and I don't think he'd even know what to do with it. JMO!

 

[KeithD]

As with several of the others running, I'd like Buttigieg as VP, getting more experience of national affairs before going for the presidency. (I felt the same about Obama in his first run, and I still feel he would have done a lot better by gaining more experience before grabbing the top spot.) Buttigieg is very impressive in his responses to interviewing. I think most of the field is running for VP for this go round. I wish the governors running were higher profile, as having been a governor is better preparation for the White House than is what most of these folks have behind them. (I was pushing for Hillary to run for New York governor before the White House so she'd have all corners pinned down.)

For president, I like Kamela and Elizabeth the best for two terms now, with Biden OK to hold it for one with the others catching up in experience for four years. I liked Amy Klobuchar as of a few weeks ago, but she seems to have faded.

But I can wait to see who emerges. It would be fine if it was one of the steadier governors who is now in the back of the pack. Basically, I'd like someone steady who isn't putting on a "see me" show and who, with a Democratic-controlled Congress can actually get us back on track. In some ways, I'm not aghast at a lot of the cutting back and eliminating that's been done. We'd be fine with more thoughtful reconstitution from where the Republicans have nonsensically slashed and burned.

 

[badbabysitter]

AOC would be theoritically awesome for the daily constant meltdowns from the rwcj, but she'd actually probably be terrible

Personally, I think Warren would be the best bet... if the heritage misleading comes across as her worst fumbles, racist slurs from her opponent shouldnt be a problem

 

[icanhelp1]

I don't like Biden either, but you're comparing a cold to cancer here! Perspective, folks: what matters most is getting rid of Trump. So we don't want to cripple our nominee right out of the gate. (That said, I hope our nominee isn't Biden and I don't believe it will be him in the end - but let's not eat our young!)

WOW!! Getting rid of Trump, it's "WHAT MATTERS MOST", what a strategy, no matter who wins, qualified or not qualified? doesn't matter. How the people vote doesn't matter? The purest form of TDS and that's why you're going to lose in 2020.

 

[Wrong Element]

Warren is fine but I worry about her vulnerability to attack and swiftboating. I don't like her response to the whole Pocahantas thing, it shows she can let Trump get to her.

One thing I will say in favor of Warren — and I don't have a candidate yet and am unlikely to make up my mind anytime soon — is that she took a lot of hits and was left for dead, but has come back from it and is now arguably #2 with a bullet on the Democratic side. That's literally never happened before in the history of Trump as a political figure.

My biggest concern about her isn't about her vulnerability to Republican attacks — all of them will attacked as Communists and haters of God, so that's all a wash — it's about her track record within Massachusetts itself. Both of her races were in a blue state in very blue years, but she didn't win by as much as you'd assume she would.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well hello KeithD

I wrote a rather nasty response and then rethought it. So, I edited it.

Naw, you don't have it and I doubt you'll ever get it. I looked at your profile here on the discussion board and on the story side to get a feel for you. LOL, you're no prize either but you are apparently a rather prolific writer.

I look for three things in a candidate: Truthfulness, Trustworthiness and Honesty. I don't see those qualities in any of the candidates to date and haven't in any candidate in my life time, yet I still voted. As I will this time.

I proudly served this country for over twenty years and have lost all faith, believe and trust in it. As far as opting out of my responsibilities? You don't know what I've done in the name of this country. So my responsibilities have been more than fulfilled. If I want to bitch and bellyache about it, It's my right, I fucking earned it.

So KeithD, what the fuck have you actually done for your country besides vote? Did you serve in the military? The Peace Corp? As a teacher? A first responder? Just what have you done? Why don't you surprise me?

Thanks for your service. Don't lose faith in our country, like any country there's good and bad. Our country has done more good than any other. It takes good people with moral courage to vote what they believe. However, there are the likes of KiethD and others who would have you think their beliefs are superior to yours. We need an informed electorate not intimidated by the up and coming brown shirts, the very people who preach tolerance through suppression. Their hatred for Trump is literally an obsession bordering delusion. Remember, you served so these pompous asses could have freedom of speech, very noble. I too served for many years and I love this country even with its somewhat faulty leadership. We can change leadership.

 

[KeithD]

I'd just like to extend a heartfelt "Thank You" to all the Democratic Candidates for President. It's a stark contrast between parties.

Please. Please. Please...rig the contest in favor of Warren. Just like last time...get those super-delegates behind closed doors.

The 2016 election, in which the Democratic candidate won the plurality of votes, didn't have all that much to do with the Democrats, Russia boy. As long as you sit there playing with your delusions, though, you're not doing anything damaging.

 

[icanhelp1]

The 2016 election, in which the Democratic candidate won the plurality of votes, didn't have all that much to do with the Democrats, Russia boy. As long as you sit there playing with your delusions, though, you're not doing anything damaging.

May I remind you the democratic candidate did not win the plurality of votes the republican candidate did, 304 to 227.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Prosecute the case!’: Kamala Harris delivers impassioned indictment of Trump’s ‘rap sheet’

On Saturday, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) raised the roof at the South Carolina Democratic Convention with a call to action — and a fiery condemnation of President Donald Trump.

“And I’m going to tell you, not only am I child of parents who were active in civil rights, fighters and marchers, I also had a career as a prosecutor,” said Harris. “So let me tell you a little bit about that. I know how to take on predators. I took on the big banks and won over $20 billion. I took on for-profit colleges and put them out of business. I took on oil companies who were polluting our environments. I took on transnational criminal organizations who were preying on women and children. I know how to get that job done. And I did it for the people. For the people.”

“So let me tell you, we need somebody on our stage, when it comes time for that general election, who knows how to recognize a rap sheet when they see it and prosecute the case,” said Harris. So let’s read that rap sheet, shall we?”

Dem candidate showered with cheers from South Carolina crowd with vow to send ‘Lindsey Graham packing’

One of the 2020 contenders auditioning at the South Carolina Democratic Party Convention, Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH), went after Graham during the short time allocated for his speech.

“I’m so tired as a Democrat of playing defense,” Ryan said. “I’m an old quarterback, I want to start playing offense. All of us are going to start playing offense.”

“I want us to play offense in the Senate races. I want to go to Iowa and win that Senate seat. I want to go to Missouri and win a Senate seat. I want to win Senate seats in Florida, North Carolina, but most importantly, I want to make sure that I can be the nominee that comes back to South Carolina and helps the Senate candidate here send Lindsey Graham packing,” Ryan closed, to massive cheers from the crowd.

"Lock Them Up, Lock Them UP!"

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Biden said he would repeal the Trump Tax Giveaway aka Socialism for the Rich "on Day One."

 

[KeithD]

I'd give priority, in terms of the Senate, of sending Mitch McConnell (and his corrupt wife) packing. But, yes, Lindsey Graham's gotta go too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No as to AOC or her agenda. Some of Warren’s Act has merit, such as requiring some shareholder support for political donations.

Fair.

It seems she wants good corporate governance, not to abolish capitalism as you claim.

Forcing all corporations to be collectively owned/managed once they meet an arbitrary size is just an articulate way of abolishing private ownership of corporations over a certain size...that's about as anti-capitalism as it gets without going all Stalin.

As you see no shades of gray when discussing these matters I’ll likely take a pass from now on. I was part of the corporate world for many years, and none of it is all good or all bad. Looking for ways to improve the way things operate is not a bad thing, and it’s not anti-capitalist. And leaving markets free to regulate themselves is downright stupid.

That's because legislation/regulation isn't usually very grey. It's almost always very black and white.

Looking for/promoting =/= forcing though...and ending private ownership of companies once they reach a certain size and arbitrarily limiting personal incomes under penalty of law is definitively anti-capitalist AND anti-liberal.

I'm all for telling corporation X to clean up their shit, company Y n' Z they can't put a gun to some guys head and force labor from them and Farmer Bubba he can't spray his food crops with used motor oil because it's cheap pest control that werks real good.

I'm not at all for telling companies they belong to the collective once they get over a certain size or telling people we're taking a cut and everything after whatever amount the government decides because some whiners have decided that nobody needs anymore than whatever amount the collective deems appropriate. That's insane communist buuu shit from comrade Warren.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Biden said he would repeal the Trump Tax Giveaway aka Socialism for the Rich "on Day One."

Not taking peoples money isn't a giveaway...it's just not taking as much from them.

Kinda like not car jacking someone isn't giving them a car.

 

[JackLuis]

The Ivory Tower team of wonks behind Warren’s policy agenda.

Behind Elizabeth Warren’s trust-busting, Wall Street-bashing, tax-the-wealthy platform is a brain trust that extends well beyond the Beltway thinkers who often rubber stamp campaign proposals.

Instead, the former Harvard professor and her tight team of policy advisers have waded deeper into the world of academia than is usual in presidential campaigns, according to interviews with more than a dozen people her campaign has consulted and a review of the scholarship underlying her plans.

Liz has plans that were not developed by Stephen Miller, or Mike Pompeo types. OMG real intellectuals!