Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[JackLuis]

Thank you for your service here EZ. You post was at least, a worthy summation of the current fucktussel.

Old Handsome Joe is riding high now on name recognition and his linkage to Obama but he is too old. He could have made a difference in 2016 if he had challenged Hillary, but he didn't.

Bernie is, as you said, too radical for Wall St. and the uneducated centerists.

Liz is what we need, an energetic Constitutionalist with no fucks to give to the eastern establishment which rules the Ds. I don't believe she would ever back down from Trumpski's bullshit and she would wipe the floor with him in a debate using facts.

Kamala is the establishment fall back "ethnic" candidate. She hopes to ride the Trump-revulsion wave much as Obama did. She'd make a good AG, but she's too Establishment for me.

Most of the rest are trying to make their names for '24/'28, or a VP slot in '20

The debates will be a horrid clusterfuck, but may clear away the weaker candidates and make the contest for the primaries a bit more focused.

The DNC needs to concentrate on Kentucky and find a candidate who will tear Mitch a new ass hole. He has been, and continues to be the Great Satan of America.

 

[KeithD]

Thank you for your service here EZ. You post was at least, a worthy summation of the current fucktussel.

Old Handsome Joe is riding high now on name recognition and his linkage to Obama but he is too old. He could have made a difference in 2016 if he had challenged Hillary, but he didn't.

Bernie is, as you said, too radical for Wall St. and the uneducated centerists.

Interesting that with Joe Biden you make it age and with Bernie, who is older than Joe Biden. you make it issue related.

As far as EZ's service "here," EZ hasn't commented on much of anything "here" (and is probably just one of a regular posters many alts) and is just a fake name here with nothing verifiable behind it at all. At least I can be vetted for what this Web site is based in--erotica stories. Anyone who wants to check can see I write and post a vast portfolio of erotica stories both here and in the marketplace. That's a whole hell of a lot more backed up "here" than EZ has done "here."

 

[JackLuis]

Interesting that with Joe Biden you make it age and with Bernie, who is older than Joe Biden. you make it issue related.

As far as EZ's service "here," EZ hasn't commented on much of anything "here" (and is probably just one of a regular posters many alts) and is just a fake name here with nothing verifiable behind it at all. At least I can be vetted for what this Web site is based in--erotica stories. Anyone who wants to check can see I write and post a vast portfolio of erotica stories both here and in the marketplace. That's a whole hell of a lot more backed up "here" than EZ has done "here."

By 'here" I was referring to the thread. Everyone knows of your prodigious efforts to promote erotica, Pilot.

As far as Bernie's age, he is too old to be my ideal candidate, however his ideas are much more progressive than the tired mutterings of the establishment. You know more like Eleanor Roosevelt's.

 

[JackLuis]

Why Elizabeth Warren Matters

The contrast between Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden is stark: Biden is comfort food; Warren is food for thought with, to some tastes, a dollop of spinach.

Warren stands virtually alone in the field by offering comprehensive, and specific, proposals for reanimating American democracy by reforming capitalism to reconcile its long-term interests with the needs of Americans writ large. She is, in substantive terms, by far the most important Democrat seeking the presidency.

Whether one tends right or left, Warren’s importance to the political dialogue transcends the eventual fate of her campaign. That’s because she is asking an essential question: Can we repair our deepening economic and social fissures by making large corporations more responsive participants in a revitalized democracy which expands economic opportunity, reinvigorates competition, and redefines corporate citizenship. Her candidacy is an attempt to rescue contemporary capitalism from its potentially fatal excesses.

In contrast to the array of candidates who propose to banish Donald Trump by channeling outrage or inspiring hope—or, in the case of Bernie Sanders, conjuring a fantastical “political revolution”—Warren offers specific proposals to define our future. Says David Brooks: “I might agree or disagree with some of Elizabeth Warren’s zillions of policy proposals, but at least they’re proposals. At least they are attempts to ground our politics in real situations with actual plans, not just overwrought bellowing about the monster in the closet.”

 

[KeithD]

Eleanor Roosevelt carried most of her programs to completion. And she wasn't even an elected official.

Bernie has been in the U.S. Senate for 12 years. Perhaps you could review for us the legislation he's sponsored that has passed in that time based on his ideas. It isn't a question of liking or not liking his ideas. This isn't a parlor game, Jack, or a *zap* do the wishful thinking and it will happen.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why Elizabeth Warren Matters

Warren stands virtually alone in the field by offering comprehensive, and specific, proposals for reanimating American democracy by reforming capitalism to reconcile its long-term interests with the needs of Americans writ large.

Nationalizing most of the economy and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't "reforming" capitalism, it's getting rid of it.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Accountable**0Capitalism**0Act**0One-Pager.pdf

When the government takes over the means of production and controls the distribution of goods and services, aka the economy, that's called socialism.

socialism noun
so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism




I know freedom of association/ exchange offends the anti-American left.

The question is with so many socialist shit holes out there to choose from why don't you all flee to them from the horrors of individual economic liberty provided here in the USA?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Eleanor Roosevelt wasn't just talk. She got her programs done. And she wasn't even an elected official.

Bernie has been in the U.S. Senate for 12 years. Perhaps you could review for us the legislation he's sponsored that has passed in that time based on his ideas. It isn't a question of liking or not liking his ideas. This isn't a parlor game, Jack, or a *zap* do the wishful thinking and it will happen.

She was also a social liberal....not a socialist.

You un-American socialist stains on the left would be wise to learn and understand the difference between the two instead of erroneously conflating them.

 

[Adre]

New re-elect numbers for Stable Genius: 37%.

(“The polls were all wrong in 2016” crowd will come along in 5, 4, 3...)

If polls are now meaningless, why did Cheetolini fire several pollsters whose numbers he didn’t like?

 

[BotanyBoy]

New re-elect numbers for Stable Genius: 37%.

(“The polls were all wrong in 2016” crowd will come along in 5, 4, 3...)

If polls are now meaningless, why did Cheetolini fire several pollsters whose numbers he didn’t like?

Oh I'm sure they'll read only a 3% chance of winning before long.

He stands NO CHANCE!!! Never has never will....

 

[JackLuis]

BB writes:Nationalizing most of the economy and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't "reforming" capitalism, it's getting rid of it.

Can you point out one time Liz has advocated nationalization of anything? Can you quote the odds on your ever being one of the ones she wants to charge 70% on your taxes?

NO? Then say something constructive, or STFU, BB! You Trump Humpers never say anything constructive and it really pisses off Pilot, who is very bitchy these days as his Demonrats are failing.

 

[Adre]

New re-elect numbers for Stable Genius: 37%.

(“The polls were all wrong in 2016” crowd will come along in 5, 4, 3...)

If polls are now meaningless, why did Cheetolini fire several pollsters whose numbers he didn’t like?

Oh I'm sure they'll read only a 3% chance of winning before long.

He stands NO CHANCE!!! Never has never will....

Ha, look who showed up. The guy who believes Trump is the only thing that stands between Democrats and the utter and immediate abandonment of capitalism. Explain to the class how a Democratic President would have the power and authority to end capitalism and nationalize the US economy. Please be specific.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB writes:Nationalizing most of the economy and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't "reforming" capitalism, it's getting rid of it.

Can you point out one time Liz has advocated nationalization of anything? Can you quote the odds on your ever being one of the ones she wants to charge 70% on your taxes?

NO? Then say something constructive, or STFU, BB! You Trump Humpers never say anything constructive and it really pisses off Pilot, who is very bitchy these days as his Demonrats are failing.

And I've already linked her "Accountable Capitalism Act" read the wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accountable_Capitalism_Act

Not to mention her support for AOC (another socialist Democrat) and her New Green Deal which would nationalize most the economy.

And then there is HC insurance and by default taking control over most of the HC industry at large.

This idea — once at the edge of Democratic politics — has moved to the mainstream of the debate among the party’s numerous presidential contenders. Mr. Sanders, independent of Vermont, ran on the idea in his 2016 campaign, and now five 2020 Democratic aspirants have co-sponsored one of the two Medicare-for-all bills.

Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California, and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts co-sponsored Mr. Sanders’s bill in the last Congress.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/...nsurance-medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders.html




Not being a anti-American socialist doesn't make me a "Trump Humper" .

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ha, look who showed up. The guy who believes Trump is the only thing that stands between Democrats and the utter and immediate abandonment of capitalism.

Wow, just off the wall making things up.

Why???

Explain to the class how a Democratic President would have the power and authority to end capitalism and nationalize the US economy. Please be specific.

Just as soon as you show the class where I ever said any president would have such authority??

Please be specific.

 

[Dumpington]

At next week's first-round of Democratic Party debates, the candidates are all going to take turns expressing their deep hatreds for President Trump while at the same time promising the voters trillions in new government spending that they feel confident will win them support among the rank-&-file!

But if vigorous new spending is all the rage, WHY is "Gropin' Joe" Biden continuing to lead all challengers in the polling, and by a wide-margin? Some of this may be answered by a recent poll asking Democratic Party primary voters whether they would support a candidate with a "bold, new agenda" or one "who will provide steady, reliable leadership." Fully three-quarters of respondents want the latter, with just 25 percent interested in the sort of "bold, new agenda" that virtually all Democratic candidates are peddling so far.

This would seemingly indicate that Democrat voters are far more moderate than are their candidates. Gallup discovered last year that 54 percent of Democrats support a party that is "more moderate" while just 41 percent want one that is "more liberal." But it appears that, with the exception of Joe Biden, everybody appears to be pushing a massively expansionist agenda, thus putting themselves at odds with their own base.

One of the reasons for Biden's lead in the polls is that he represents a retreat from the nonstop "Trumpian atmosphere" of disruption and volatility. For moderate Dems, "Sleepy Joe Biden" is the cure. This assumes, of course, that Biden survives the nomination process. As the clear leader of the massive Democratic Party field, he is the target not just of Donald Trump but of all his fellow partisans too.

It seems as if every day brings a new crisis or controversy, such as Biden's warm statements toward segregationists in the 1970s, his eulogy of racist Sen. Strom Thurmond in 2003, and the emerging narrative that his son Hunter, whose personal life is a total shitshow, appears to be an international grifter who allegedly used dad's connections to make shady deals with Chinese and Ukrainian interests.

And even if Biden ultimately weathers the storm, these endless attacks will eventually take their toll! In 2016, Hillary Clinton ultimately defeated Bernie Sanders, but Bernie's constant attacks clearly weakened her against Donald Trump in the general election.

Despite a robust economy, Trump's approval rating appears to have peaked at around 46 percent. His path to a second term will probably look a lot like what happened in 2016. He'll need to scratch out a victory where every vote and insult count. But here's the thing: Trump knows how to do this, he has the power of incumbency, and short of a massive economic downturn, things really can't get any worse for him. He has weathered every storm since taking office, and he's shown an ability to fire up his already intense base.

Less than a week away from the first Democratic candidates' debate and a year-plus away from the general election - Joe Biden, whose history of gaffes and awful legislation is legendary, has nowhere to go but down.

 

[Adre]

Nationalizing most of the economy and arbitrarily limiting incomes isn't "reforming" capitalism, it's getting rid of it.

You said this about Warren. Sounds to me like you think she can get rid of capitalism.

 

[KeithD]

So, still compiling a list of all of that idea-based legislation Bernie Sanders has successfully sponsored into law over the last 12 years, Jack? Or are you fine with just high-flying ideas and no actual result? Make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

 

[JackLuis]

So, still compiling a list of all of that idea-based legislation Bernie Sanders has successfully sponsored into law over the last 12 years, Jack? Or are you fine with just high-flying ideas and no actual result? Make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

The last time I felt "Warm and Fuzzy" about the US Government, I found myself on a train headed to Ft. Ord. In the next few years I became much more cynical.

 

[KeithD]

The last time I felt "Warm and Fuzzy" about the US Government, I found myself on a train headed to Ft. Ord. In the next few years I became much more cynical.

You also don't respond to challenges when they reveal something you don't want to face.

I've lived on Fort Ord. You can tell EZ to put that in his pipe and smoke it.

 

[ishtat]

First thing they need to do is get rid of the totally incompetent. Sanders is top of that list; he talks, boy does he talk - interminably and then repeats himself numerous times.

To help Jack, since Sanders ran away from real primary competition in New York some 40+ years ago he has achieved 2 things. Firstly the name he proposed for a post office was agreed in Congress. And the second was that he chaired a committee which made an agreed bi-partisan proposal to increase military pay.

And that's it: 40 years of windbagging with zero real achievement.

The D's should never have allowed the contemptible egotistical parasite and non member to stand at all.

 

[KeithD]

They certainly didn't need to get defensive when it was discovered that they preferred a long-time party member and worker over a pie-in-the-sky nonmember. They were trying to keep a group in the tent who were naïve, were only there for non-Democrat Bernie, and who helped get Trump elected.

 

[JackLuis]

They certainly didn't need to get defensive when it was discovered that they preferred a long-time party member and worker over a pie-in-the-sky nonmember. They were trying to keep a group in the tent who were naïve, were only there for non-Democrat Bernie, and who helped get Trump elected.

That's It! Shrink the Tent, then the Princess will be vindicated! Amazing that you didn't think of that first?
Hillary lost due to her own unpopularity, admit it. Was it because of all the "hit" on her over the years, or because she came across as the cheerleader of the establishment that has held Democratic theory to a Neo-Liberal protection of the Ivy League/Wall St class of corporatist?

The big states she lost were the ones she wrote off as "In the Bag" and 77,000 votes lost her the election. How many of the "little people" were so anxious to pick an outside the Beltway candidate that they took a chance on Trump?

Get over yourself Pilot, there are more important issues than Bernie's lack of accomplishments.

2020 looms and Biden is not the answer to the great unwashed independent vote that swings the elections either way.

The field is wide open now, though the 'centerists" have set up Joe as the Savior of the Party, but we shall see how he does in the debates.

Joe will be up against some formidable competition this time, Liz, Kamala, and a few others who are younger, more progressively committed, articulate, and photogenic.

 

[KeithD]

Oh, give it up. I'm not a devotee of either Hillary Clinton (and certainly not her husband) or of Biden. Either one of them can get--and have gotten--a whole hell of a lot more done than Bernie Sanders has, though. You're just a pie-in-the-sky kinda guy, Jack. You are clueless in actually getting change activated. You think talk and fantasy get it done.

I haven't picked someone to stump for in this next presidential race. I can wait to see what shakes out. It isn't Biden necessarily, although I've had some dealings with guy and like him for a steady president after a Trumpian disaster. It sure as hell isn't Bernie Sanders, who is himself a Trumpian style disaster. I don't really give a shit if you don't see it. I just find your naivete irritating.

 

[JackLuis]

Oh, give it up.
. I just find your naivete irritating.

Then we are even.

 

[KeithD]

Then we are even.

Not really.

You were challenged to evidence that Sanders was anything more than a spoiler pie-in-the-sky gadfly, and you didn't do it. And as far as me razzing on Sanders, point to any instance in which that didn't come in response to your inane glorifying of the sucker.

 

[moonflasher]

Then we are even.

And here I thought you two were butt buddies.