You want an example of REAL police abuse?

[Sh1ne0n67]

Provided to you by our stupid-assed war on Drugs:

In a response to an interrogatory filed in the Kozbials' subsequent lawsuit against Highland Park, a city police officer answered "none" when asked to identify any predicate felony offenses justifying the seizure.

Things then took a highly unusual turn when the Kozbials say they received a settlement offer from the town: Stop growing marijuana [which they were permitted to do] and buy two vehicles for the local police department.

A February 24, 2021, email provided to Reason by the Kozbials' attorney, Marc Deldin, shows that a Highland Park police officer, ferrying a message from city attorney Terry Ford, sent the Kozbials quotes for two cars from a local Ford dealership, totaling about $70,000.

Civil liberties groups often criticize civil forfeiture for creating a perverse profit incentive for police and local governments, since forfeiture revenues often go straight into their budgets, but it's practically unheard of to see such an overt shakedown put into emails and court documents.

"Extortion, there's no other way to explain it," Deldin says.

https://reason.com/2022/05/19/michi...return-it-if-they-bought-two-cars-for-police/

It's "high time" to end this fucking prohibition farce.
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[Biggs_Darklighter]

The drugs won years ago.

 

[HisArpy]

In my opinion, anyone who wants to poison their minds and bodies to the point that they're willing to take so much of the poison that they die, is more than welcome to hasten their own exit by any expedient means they choose. Just stop fucking around and wasting time.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Amen.
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[pecksniff]

In my opinion, anyone who wants to poison their minds and bodies to the point that they're willing to take so much of the poison that they die, is more than welcome to hasten their own exit by any expedient means they choose. Just stop fucking around and wasting time.

Hear that, potheads?! Go ahead and overdose!

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Hear that, potheads?! Go ahead and overdose!

Being too high is no fun at all. You lay there and think "fuck this is how im going out " and then you fall asleep.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

I hear the new pot is 2000 times more potent than the stuff we used to smoke.
Now, this could be true or it could be smoke being blown up our ass by the drug warriors.

I read yesterday where teens prefer vaping to old-fashioned smoking.
The government should jump on that; easier to regulate, to criminalize and to tax.
Teens shouldn't be doing that crap, but they're the one demographic that Just Say No becomes a challenge.
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[HisArpy]

I hear the new pot is 2000 times more potent than the stuff we used to smoke.
Now, this could be true or it could be smoke being blown up our ass by the drug warriors.

I read yesterday where teens prefer vaping to old-fashioned smoking.
The government should jump on that; easier to regulate, to criminalize and to tax.
Teens shouldn't be doing that crap, but they're the one demographic that Just Say No becomes a challenge.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

Like I said, they need to stop fucking around and wasting everyone's time (and money) and get on with the dying already.

 

[icanhelp1]

Like I said, they need to stop fucking around and wasting everyone's time (and money) and get on with the dying already.

In my opinion, anyone who wants to poison their minds and bodies to the point that they're willing to take so much of the poison that they die, is more than welcome to hasten their own exit by any expedient means they choose. Just stop fucking around and wasting time.

Well, with fentanyl, many times it's *one and done* and in many cases it's our youth unknowingly being poisoned. Young people do dumb things, in many cases they don't get the opportunity to straighten their lives out because their gone forever. The war on drugs is over until it's at your doorstep. The bulk of the war is as much a parental responsibility as it is a political. What about kids with single parents where the kids are on the streets without adequate parental guidance, YOU DON'T THINK THOSE KIDS WON'T INFLUENCE YOURS. Peer pressure is pretty significant with teens.

 

[HisArpy]

Well, with fentanyl, many times it's *one and done* and in many cases it's our youth unknowingly being poisoned. Young people do dumb things, in many cases they don't get the opportunity to straighten their lives out because their gone forever. The war on drugs is over until it's at your doorstep. The bulk of the war is as much a parental responsibility as it is a political. What about kids with single parents where the kids are on the streets without adequate parental guidance, YOU DON'T THINK THOSE KIDS WON'T INFLUENCE YOURS. Peer pressure is pretty significant with teens.

Every schoolkid is taught the evils of illegal drugs.

And yet some of them stick needles in their veins, get high off of poison, and become societal failures anyway. The answer to that isn't to let those people stick around to influence other generations of kids. Those who promote the idea that using some illicit drugs is okay are worse because they're clandestine predators.

No drug is benign. The public's acceptance of uncontrolled use of drugs for recreation is the biggest evil since Sodom and Gomorrah. Billions of Government money won't solve it. Legalizing it only perpetuates and encourages it. Ignoring it only lets it flourish.

My view: Get on with the dying already. Maybe it'll cut down on global warming once all those millions of consumers are gone.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

In my opinion, anyone who wants to poison their minds and bodies to the point that they're willing to take so much of the poison that they die, is more than welcome to hasten their own exit by any expedient means they choose. Just stop fucking around and wasting time.

Lol, what a stupid rapey.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Lol, what a stupid rapey.

If he were a lawyer he wouldn't say such ignorant and stupid things about weed.

 

[Seadog777]

The "War on Drugs" is a massive failure and continues to piss away hundreds of millions of our tax payer money.

Do I believe that hard drugs like heroin and crack cocaine should be illegal.....fucking right they should be.

Marijuana though should've been legalized decades ago.

 

[pecksniff]

Being too high is no fun at all. You lay there and think "fuck this is how im going out " and then you fall asleep.

Yeah, but you pretty much need hash to get that high.

 

[pecksniff]

I hear the new pot is 2000 times more potent than the stuff we used to smoke.
Now, this could be true or it could be smoke being blown up our ass by the drug warriors.

Best way to check on that is to assess the potency of the winning Amsterdam Cannabis Cub entries.

 

[pecksniff]

Every schoolkid is taught the evils of illegal drugs.

And yet some of them stick needles in their veins, get high off of poison, and become societal failures anyway.

That fact says some bad things about our society that have nothing at all to do with the street availability of the drugs. What is causing kids so much pain, that they need to self-medicate for it in such drastic ways?

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Being too high is no fun at all. You lay there and think "fuck this is how im going out " and then you fall asleep.

I’ve had full blown panic attacks from too much THC. Even the other night I got a little paranoid. The paranoia was brief and a drop in the bucket compared to the great feeling cannabis usually gives me, but yeah, getting paranoid sucks.

Potheads may not be able to control themselves like that, but I think most people who use cannabis can.

 

[pecksniff]

I’ve had full blown panic attacks from too much THC. Even the other night I got a little paranoid. The paranoia was brief and a drop in the bucket compared to the great feeling cannabis usually gives me, but yeah, getting paranoid sucks.

Potheads may not be able to control themselves like that, but I think most people who use cannabis can.

Get the paranoids!

God forbid they should be disappointed.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Instead of arguing the perils/benefits of drugs,
we should return to the topic of the State actions,
for if they can do these things (circumvent due process)
with impunity, what is the next misdemeanor that they can use...?
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[LittleDixie]

We are walking a fine line with government control and intrusion in out lives. We've been leaning towards a totalitarian state for a long time, and I'm afraid if we don't correct our trajectory, we are headed towards a 1984 style dystopia.

The government should not be involved in policing what intoxicants people take. Period.

If I steal from someone to get high, or if I drive my car into someone while I'm high then I am infringing on someone's rights through that injury, but not through me getting high.

There are far too many human beings on this planet who think that they are entitled to tell other people how to live their lives. If you don't like drugs, don't do them - but stop trying to use the power of the state to enforce your view of what social norms should be.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

It starts getting to be like religion, i.e., the Left tends to replace one for the other...
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[HisArpy]

We are walking a fine line with government control and intrusion in out lives. We've been leaning towards a totalitarian state for a long time, and I'm afraid if we don't correct our trajectory, we are headed towards a 1984 style dystopia.

The government should not be involved in policing what intoxicants people take. Period.

If I steal from someone to get high, or if I drive my car into someone while I'm high then I am infringing on someone's rights through that injury, but not through me getting high.

There are far too many human beings on this planet who think that they are entitled to tell other people how to live their lives. If you don't like drugs, don't do them - but stop trying to use the power of the state to enforce your view of what social norms should be.

You understand that you don't have a right to steal or murder. On the other hand, you don't understand that government prohibiting you from stealing or murdering is society, in your choice of words, "infringing" on your "rights" and "telling you how to live."

There is no difference between that and society telling you that you can't harm yourself or others by using illicit drugs. You can try to convince yourself that using a "safe" drug like marijuana is ok, but is it really when you consider all the harm that it causes? Child labor, slavery, murder, sex trafficking are all part of the illegal drug trade. When you use illegal drugs you enable all of that to happen. The government telling you that you can't use the drug is an attempt by the government to stop you from contributing to it because it's not just you who is involved every time you get high.

Meanwhile when you try to convince yourself that you're not hurting anyone by smoking pot in your basement it's really the pot that's talking.

 

[pecksniff]

It starts getting to be like religion, i.e., the Left tends to replace one for the other...
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

What, replace religion with drugs?

That would be a definite improvement.

 

[LittleDixie]

You understand that you don't have a right to steal or murder. On the other hand, you don't understand that government prohibiting you from stealing or murdering is society, in your choice of words, "infringing" on your "rights" and "telling you how to live."

There is no difference between that and society telling you that you can't harm yourself or others by using illicit drugs. You can try to convince yourself that using a "safe" drug like marijuana is ok, but is it really when you consider all the harm that it causes? Child labor, slavery, murder, sex trafficking are all part of the illegal drug trade. When you use illegal drugs you enable all of that to happen. The government telling you that you can't use the drug is an attempt by the government to stop you from contributing to it because it's not just you who is involved every time you get high.

Meanwhile when you try to convince yourself that you're not hurting anyone by smoking pot in your basement it's really the pot that's talking.

You're just as bad as the woke who want to put people in jail for improper pronoun usage. Both of you have a version of the world that you are so in love with that you are willing to put human beings in cages for. You and the woke are the same breed of authoritarian who wants to righteously impose their will on others.

Your position that smoking pot is child labor, slavery, murder and sex trafficking is ridiculous. If drugs were legal, then reputable companies would bring them to market instead of cartels. I would argue that the prohibition of drugs facilitates all of those negative things. What is the difference between whiskey in the 1930's and whiskey in today? You could make the argument that alcohol causes mass murder (Valentines Day Massacre), but isn't it more accurate to say that it was the struggle over black market profit?

But, if you are an advocate for the government preventing you from harming yourself, please explain why alcohol and nicotine shouldn't be included in the drug war. Why shouldn't we put people in prison for drinking and smoking?

 

[jomar]

Beerfest was sleeper excellence and I’m still waiting for Potfest.

Meanwhile, legalizing weed should be the answer to leaving social security alone and paying for shoring up infrastructure.