Withdrawal from Afghanistan "panic" is a Nothingburger

[Lazaran]

The people who absolutely knew that the Afghan military would fold like a cheap suit are Afghanistan citizens. If they fear for their lives, they should have left when the last guy started making noise about withdrawing troops.

If I was there, I would have been gone long ago.

I made a similar point in another post. If the collapse was so obviously imminent, then why weren't Americans and vulnerable Afghanis rushing for the exits long ago.

The RWCJ can't have it both ways.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I made a similar point in another post. If the collapse was so obviously imminent, then why weren't Americans and vulnerable Afghanis rushing for the exits long ago.

The RWCJ can't have it both ways.

They should have gotten their first clue when candidate trump said he was going to bring the troops home.

Whatever the number of Afgan military the people of Afghanistan had to have family and friends wearing uniforms that they knew would be would be ripped off as soon as the American military started to bug out.

A failed state when we got there and a failed state when we leave. The failure of American foreign policy. At least the US has a president with the cajones to make the tough decision.

 

[butters]

hanging offense!! bidden's a brain dead fool. If one American dies in this cluster fuck, bidden should be hung!

so you obviously think trump should be hung for not mandating masks and promoting, loudly, the vaccines as they became available...instead he called it a hoax, it'll all disappear like magic, only 15 people, yada yada yada, right?

he should be hug!

make your mind up, you wanna hang him by the neck or give him a cuddle?



note: above posts quoted for advocating violence against the president of the united states of america

 

[LincolnDuncan]

so you obviously think trump should be hung for not mandating masks and promoting, loudly, the vaccines as they became available...instead he called it a hoax, it'll all disappear like magic, only 15 people, yada yada yada, right?

make your mind up, you wanna hang him by the neck or give him a cuddle?



note: above posts quoted for advocating violence against the president of the united states of america

He wouldn't allow a cruise ship to dock because it would affect his numbers.

 

[nowisthetime]

The West does not possess the will or the humility to understand other cultures and people, otherwise they would have known forcing an antagonistic system onto others was never going to end well.

The only reason they are making this a big deal is because rightwing knuckle draggers want to stick something on Biden.


The rest of America is too busy to give a fuck. Should have gotten out a long time ago.

 

[ll74]

 

[icanhelp1]

The West does not possess the will or the humility to understand other cultures and people, otherwise they would have known forcing an antagonistic system onto others was never going to end well.

The only reason they are making this a big deal is because rightwing knuckle draggers want to stick something on Biden.


The rest of America is too busy to give a fuck. Should have gotten out a long time ago.

Are you implying that democracy is an antagonistic system?

The reason they’re making it a big deal is because it is a big deal, a much bigger deal than a phone call with the Ukrainian president which resulted in a scam impeachment led by a left wing looney toon named Nancy Pelosi.

You lack self awareness.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Are you implying that democracy is an antagonistic system?

The reason they’re making it a big deal is because it is a big deal, a much bigger deal than a phone call with the Ukrainian president which resulted in a scam impeachment led by a left wing looney toon named Nancy Pelosi.

You lack self awareness.

You lack contact with reality

 

[KeithD]

I made a similar point in another post. If the collapse was so obviously imminent, then why weren't Americans and vulnerable Afghanis rushing for the exits long ago.

The RWCJ can't have it both ways.

Neither can you. When I raised that point several days ago, you went after me on the boards for not being all out favorable about the Biden administration role in this. At the time I wasn't giving the Trump administration a pass on this, but seven months into their tenure, I wasn't giving the Biden folks a pass either.

 

[Lazaran]

You lack contact with reality

The fact that ineedhelp1 completely ignored the context of the statement in which the phrase "an antagonistic system" was used suggests that he/she also lacks basic reading comprehension skills.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Lazaran]

Neither can you. When I raised that point several days ago, you went after me on the boards for not being all out favorable about the Biden administration role in this. At the time I wasn't giving the Trump administration a pass on this, but seven months into their tenure, I wasn't giving the Biden folks a pass either.

Please refresh my memory on where you made that point so I can put it into context.

My assessment has been consistent from the beginning: The traitor in chief made the infamous "Doha deal", and hamstrung the Biden administration on the way out the door, while he also staged a domestic insurrection, continued to challenge the election, and exacerbated the Covid crisis.

President Biden played the hand he was dealt, and he was receiving conflicting reports on the timetable for a Taliban takeover. The fact that Americans and those with SIVs weren't fleeing months or weeks earlier suggests that knowledge of an imminent collapse was not wide spread, and that President Biden's assessment of how to proceed with the exit from Afghanistan was reasonably considered before being decided upon. If in fact those American and SIV holders had begun fleeing earlier, that would very likely have changed everyone's calculus, including the Talibans.

I fail to see where you're going with this, as I have already stated my view about this being the republicans new "BENGHAZI!!!", and that your continued efforts to lay blame on President Biden is feeding directly into their bullshit narrative.

I refuse to feed into their bullshit narrative, and will continue to push back against any attempts to absolve the traitor in chief of the primary culpability for the unfolding chaos in Afghanistan.. Chaos is his brand, and Cheetolini's tiny little orange fingers are all over this debacle.

*nods*

 

[schism666]

 

[mayfly13]

State Department tried to tell Americans they would have to shell out $2000 to get on a plane. Needless to say they've adjusted that to zero after being exposed in the media. Biden's people are the most incompetent to ever serve in the government. At the very bottom of all of this is Biden's inner life long contempt for the military, every bad decision regarding Afghanistan stems from that.

During his interview the other night with George Stephanopoulos the President outright lied about the military service of his son, Beau. ABC edited it out of the aired interview, so American wouldn't see how absolutely mentally crippled and dishonest their President is:


STEPHANOPOULOS: I-- I think a lot of-- a lot of Americans, and a l-- even a lot of veterans who served in Afghanistan agree with you on the big, strategic picture. They believe we had to get out. But I wonder how you respond to an Army Special Forces officer, Javier McKay (PH). He did seven tours. He was shot twice. He agrees with you. He says, "We have to cut our losses in Afghanistan." But he adds, "I just wish we could've left with honor."

BIDEN: Look, that's like askin' my deceased son Beau, who spent six months in Kosovo and a year in Iraq as a Navy captain and then major-- I mean, as an Army major. And, you know, I'm sure h-- he had regrets comin' out of Afganista-- I mean, out of Iraq.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ful...opoulos-interview-president/story?id=79535643

Biden's son Beau was a Captain in the Army, not a much higher ranked Captain in the Navy, or a higher ranked Major in the Army. The President is dangerously clueless, disoriented, and incapable of doing the job of President. He's going to get Americans killed in large numbers.

I am neither anti-Trump, nooor anti-Biden with regards to the Afghaanistan mess.

But you know what I find truly bizarre?
(Besides the hallucinatory Kabul airpprt cchaos scenes whch look EXACTLY like the Jerusalem scenes from the movie World War Z)

All of the sudden boom! Most Western massmedia channels are talking about how Afghanistan sits on 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals, which makes it so appealing to China and Russia.

How come American Intel and govt. didn't consider that?
And how come massmedia never told us about that before?
Or is it just a massmedia distraction tactic?

 

[Adre]

They did a job. They prevented Afghanistan from being used as a terror base to attack American for 20 years. Our only mistake was nation building in a culture that didn't understand it, or want it. We still have troops in Japan, Germany, and in Korea, for similar purposes of keeping the peace.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Japan, Germany, and S. Korea are staunch allies who want us there. You say “our only mistake” as if it’s some minor detail.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I am neither anti-Trump, nooor anti-Biden with regards to the Afghaanistan mess.

But you know what I find truly bizarre?
(Besides the hallucinatory Kabul airpprt cchaos scenes whch look EXACTLY like the Jerusalem scenes from the movie World War Z)

All of the sudden boom! Most Western massmedia channels are talking about how Afghanistan sits on 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals, which makes it so appealing to China and Russia.

How come American Intel and govt. didn't consider that?
And how come massmedia never told us about that before?
Or is it just a massmedia distraction tactic?

The media, Fox, CNN, MSNBC are about making money. They read the tea leaves from their target audience and then broadcast what they think their audience wants to see.

 

[jomar]

You lack contact with reality

Sums it up if he’s spouting that shit.

 

[Dribble]

I am neither anti-Trump, nooor anti-Biden with regards to the Afghaanistan mess.

But you know what I find truly bizarre?
(Besides the hallucinatory Kabul airpprt cchaos scenes whch look EXACTLY like the Jerusalem scenes from the movie World War Z)

All of the sudden boom! Most Western massmedia channels are talking about how Afghanistan sits on 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals, which makes it so appealing to China and Russia.

How come American Intel and govt. didn't consider that?
And how come massmedia never told us about that before?
Or is it just a massmedia distraction tactic?

Why does it matter? The minerals aren't ours until we buy them.

 

[pecksniff]

I am neither anti-Trump, nooor anti-Biden with regards to the Afghaanistan mess.

But you know what I find truly bizarre?
(Besides the hallucinatory Kabul airpprt cchaos scenes whch look EXACTLY like the Jerusalem scenes from the movie World War Z)

All of the sudden boom! Most Western massmedia channels are talking about how Afghanistan sits on 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals, which makes it so appealing to China and Russia.

How come American Intel and govt. didn't consider that?
And how come massmedia never told us about that before?
Or is it just a massmedia distraction tactic?

I think I remember something about that from Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11. His idea was that the point of the invasion was to build a gas pipeline . . . which for some reason never got built.

 

[spacekowboy]

Typical bullshit from the RWCJs.

 

[mayfly13]

Trump's plan was an event-based withdrawal, not time-based. Things only happened when the desired conditions were met. That's an orderly withdrawal.

Joe's was time-based, where people just did shit at a given time no matter what. As any sane person can tell you, that's a recipe for disaster, which we now see.

I am generally pro-Trump when it comes to his vision re external policies,
but I just don't understand why people are making this all about Biden.

Because I can't conceive of Trump or Biden having such an individual role in these, even if their job titles or the R versus L press say that.
They follow what their military advisors or Intel recommend.


There MUST have been something else --a new development-- that prompted the Pentagon or whomever, to advise Biden to order a precipitous, premature withdrawal.

A potential threat that they are keeping secret? Be it in the Middle East or in other regions... Or what?

 

[Rightguide]

I am neither anti-Trump, nooor anti-Biden with regards to the Afghaanistan mess.

But you know what I find truly bizarre?
(Besides the hallucinatory Kabul airpprt cchaos scenes whch look EXACTLY like the Jerusalem scenes from the movie World War Z)

All of the sudden boom! Most Western massmedia channels are talking about how Afghanistan sits on 3 trillion dollars worth of minerals, which makes it so appealing to China and Russia.

How come American Intel and govt. didn't consider that?
And how come massmedia never told us about that before?
Or is it just a massmedia distraction tactic?

The mineral wealth of Afghanistan is well known but doesn't seem to interest the media with other forms of juicy red meat to report on. They have a huge drug industry as well. Too bad we couldn't have talked them into leaving their drug business and exploiting instead their mineral wealth to move their country along. But then again the average Afghan has no understanding of an abstract concept of a unified Afghan nation. They are essentially a tribal society with microenvironment allegiances to religion, race, family, village, and geographical location. Many of these tribes are governed by war lords and hostile to each other. The Afghan people are far from being a united people.

 

[Rightguide]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Japan, Germany, and S. Korea are staunch allies who want us there. You say “our only mistake” as if it’s some minor detail.

No, it was a major mistake that should be apparent to all without any amplification from me. My only point was there was a legitimate reason to be there, the destruction of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and the prevention of a future organized attack against the US from Afghanistan.

We aren't in Germany and South Korea because "they" want us there. Private Dummy.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I am generally pro-Trump when it comes to his vision re external policies,
but I just don't understand why people are making this all about Biden.

Because I can't conceive of Trump or Biden having such an individual role in these, even if their job titles or the R versus L press say that.
They follow what their military advisors or Intel recommend.


There MUST have been something else --a new development-- that prompted the Pentagon or whomever, to advise Biden to order a precipitous, premature withdrawal.

A potential threat that they are keeping secret? Be it in the Middle East or in other regions... Or what?

Military and diplomatic leaders warned Biden of this disaster, but this senile old dotard insisted on being out before the anniversay of 9/11. Now'we're going to get to "celebrate" that day with the Taliban parading the weapons we paid for down Main Street in Kabul.

Well done, President Rutabaga.

 

[jaF0]

Anyone surprised that 'Pubs like Sasse and Ernst are clamoring to go back to war?


Guessing they own defense contractor stocks.

 

[Dribble]

No, it was a major mistake that should be apparent to all without any amplification from me. My only point was there was a legitimate reason to be there, the destruction of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and the prevention of a future organized attack against the US from Afghanistan.

We aren't in Germany and South Korea because "they" want us there. Private Dummy.

No...there was no reason to be there. Their women only took money...not cans of corn.