Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[TastySuckToy]

All very good reasons to get rid of the guns until those problems are dealt with.

I can definitely see policies and government action fixing issues like open borders and clamping down on big pharma treating drugs like candy.

As for getting rid of guns, I'm actually willing to entertain the idea of confiscating all guns. And not just guns, but all sorts of weaponry, like grenades, bombs, etc. So long as it's the government having them removed from it's possession. Remove all weaponry from government ownership and use. Once the government has given up every gun and weapon in it's possesion, then I'm willing to entertain the notion of the government going after private citizen guns and weapons.

 

[phrodeau]

What calibre did the Unabomber employ in his killing spree?

Oh, what an important point you make. America is filled with Unabombers now.

 

[phrodeau]

Once the government has given up every gun and weapon in it's possesion, then I'm willing to entertain the notion of the government going after private citizen guns and weapons.

The US government is We the People, or more specifically, we the voters. So let’s propose that no gun owner can vote.

 

[TastySuckToy]

The US government is We the People, or more specifically, we the voters. So let’s propose that no gun owner can vote.

Why shouldn't a gun owner have the right to vote?

 

[phrodeau]

Why shouldn't a gun owner have the right to vote?

Disarming everyone involved with government is your idea.

 

[TastySuckToy]

The US government is We the People, or more specifically, we the voters. So let’s propose that no gun owner can vote.

Instead of worrying about picking who can or cannot vote on the basis of property ownership, let's focus on gun control. Do you agree we should advocate for the complete disarmament of the government? No government agency or employee shall be allowed to possess a government issued or purchased firearm, or weapon of any type.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Disarming everyone involved with government is your idea.

And what does that have to do with voting? I have no interest in removing any citizen's rights to voting. I'm talking about disarming all government agencies, employees, etc.

 

[phrodeau]

Instead of worrying about picking who can or cannot vote on the basis of property ownership, let's focus on gun control. Do you agree we should advocate for the complete disarmament of the government? No government agency or employee shall be allowed to possess a government issued or purchased firearm, or weapon of any type.

Continue.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Continue.

If we're in agreement the government (ie: government agencies and employees) should be completely disarmed, with zero guns or weapons in its possession or in use by them or anyone on their behalf, then I'm willing to see government employees/agencies going around trying to confiscate citizen's guns/weapons.

 

[phrodeau]

If we're in agreement the government (ie: government agencies and employees) should be completely disarmed, with zero guns or weapons in its possession or in use by them or anyone on their behalf, then I'm willing to see government employees/agencies going around trying to confiscate citizen's guns/weapons.

OK, that could happen. After all, gun owners are all law-abiding citizens.

 

[TastySuckToy]

OK, that could happen. After all, gun owners are all law-abiding citizens.

Then we're in agreement. Completely disarm the government and citizens can decide for themselves whether to keep their own guns/weapons or not.

 

[phrodeau]

Then we're in agreement. Completely disarm the government and citizens can decide for themselves whether to keep their own guns/weapons or not.

You seem confused. You want the government to confiscate weapons, then say that citizens can keep them. Which is it?

 

[TastySuckToy]

You seem confused. You want the government to confiscate weapons, then say that citizens can keep them. Which is it?

No, I'm saying the government can confiscate all its own weapons and disarm itself totally. As in every government agency, branch, employee is not allowed to have, own, use or have used on their behalf any weapons whatsoever.

Absolute gun and weapons control, but applied to the government, not private citizens.

That would be an enormous reduction in humans getting killed by weapons. Governments kill more people than anyone else, private citizens killing people with weapons wouldn't even register as a rounding error compared to deaths by armed governments.

 

[DeluxAuto]

What calibre did the Unabomber employ in his killing spree?

Holy false equivalency.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

government can confiscate all its own weapons and disarm itself

Including police, I presume?

 

[phrodeau]

Including police, I presume?

Postal workers, too. Those guys can be vicious.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Including police, I presume?

Don't we have an epidemic of police shootings of innocent civilians? If we see enough examples of police shooting people, then the gun control argument is to disarm them all. I'm arguing in favour of absolute gun control. Just gun control applied to all government agencies, branches, employees, etc.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No, I'm saying the government can confiscate all its own weapons and disarm itself totally. As in every government agency, branch, employee is not allowed to have, own, use or have used on their behalf any weapons whatsoever.

Absolute gun and weapons control, but applied to the government, not private citizens.

That would be an enormous reduction in humans getting killed by weapons. Governments kill more people than anyone else, private citizens killing people with weapons wouldn't even register as a rounding error compared to deaths by armed governments.

Somalia beckons!

 

[TastySuckToy]

Somalia beckons!

Don't be silly. You're implying armed people are a necessity to a safer society, and that's a pro gun ownership argument. I'm not saying dissolve government, just completely disarm it.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Don't we have an epidemic of police shootings of innocent civilians?

On average, 1,000 per year, of which we know. Actual figures are undoubtedly higher, but many cities and localities do not report these events, and states are not obliged to keep that information.

 

[TastySuckToy]

On average, 1,000 per year, of which we know. Actual figures are undoubtedly higher, but many cities and localities do not report these events, and states are not obliged to keep that information.

Ergo, completely disarm government agencies like the police. Implement absolute gun control for all government entities to prevent gun deaths.

 

[phrodeau]

Law enforcement does well with non-lethal methods, tasers, canines, etc. Citizens can, too.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Oh, what an important point you make. America is filled with Unabombers now.

And they are exclusively the purview of the Left.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Law enforcement does well with non-lethal methods, tasers, canines, etc. Citizens can, too.

I feel comforted knowing that those as ignorant as you choose to be unarmed and "safe."

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Show me a US Army Field Manual for an "Assault Rifle."

here you go.

https://www.amazon.com/Operators-Manual-AK-47-Assault-Rifle/dp/1601700296

You can buy it, and check it out