Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[TrailerHitch]

This guy's birth name is Estevez....draw your own conclusions.

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His heritage is Spanish.

Nice try, huge fail.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

His heritage is Spanish.

Nice try, huge fail.

What did I try? I never said his heritage wasn't Spanish.

I'm just telling you what his name was. He's Hispanic.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I don't want to ban anything. The point made many times by anti-gunners is that the Founding Fathers could not have imagined today's firearms so the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply. Well in that case the Founding Fathers also could not have imagined today's electronic communications, including cell phones, so freedom of speech does not apply to them. If technological advances do not apply to one then they shouldn't apply to the other.

Actually I support the ban of all electronic communication devices in the hands of private citizens. They are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution or the Amendments to the Constitution, therefore they are not protected ands must be eliminated.

First you say you want to ban cell phones, then you say the opposite. Which is it?

 

[Rightguide]

I haven't seen a post anywhere about George Alvarez that ran into 18 people and killed 8 migrants, some Venezuelans, waiting in front of migrant shelter. He was reported to be cursing them and calling them invaders. Apparently mass killings only count if you use a gun.

That's because he wasn't a white Trump sipporter.

 

[Rightguide]

Assault rifles are great for clearing the barn of sparrows. You don't even have to hit them cause the blast scares them to death!! Only problem is all the holes left in the roof of the barn.

A string of firecrackers might at least save your roof. A locomotive horn will clear that barn as well.

 

[TrailerHitch]

What did I try? I never said his heritage wasn't Spanish.

I'm just telling you what his name was. He's Hispanic.

I'd say you are playing dumb, except you aren't playing.

 

[TrailerHitch]

First you say you want to ban cell phones, then you say the opposite. Which is it?

The top one is an explanation.

The bottom was sarcasm.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I'd say you are playing dumb, except you aren't playing.

I only just made a reply post to yours, Hitchens. No more, no less.

Whatever it is about it that's got your pinfeathers in a kerfluffle is not my prob, Bob.

 

[HisArpy]

The right to torture is important to you?

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[ShandyLeer]

What other Rights should be a challenge? A right the people can earn?

Voting?
Free Speech?
Privacy?
Torture?
Freedom from self incrimination?

Obviously all of those things get in the way of law enforcement when they need to catch bad guys. Should we take those rights away because people shouldn't be able to demand them as a matter of course?

Rights that bring with them a clear and obvious downside such as mass killings and endless cases of domestic arguments escalating into murders - for which there’s hardly a lack of evidence, there are literally thousands of examples every year - ought to be granted with conditions imo.

Free speech and privacy rights aren’t entirely unfettered, even though there’s little evidence that these “rights” cost lives, neither in the USA nor here in Europe.

And neither should the right to bear a firearm be automatically interpreted as carte blanche for lunatics to arm themselves like a private army.

Not sure where you’re going with the right to torture ?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Your brand new outhouse is leaning to the left and spewing shit into your yard and your reaction is to blame the tools used and not the carpenter/contractor/engineer...

This is known as obsessing and obsessing is not a healthy emotion.

The people who use this tool wrongly are similarly not emotionally healthy, but we are hands off when it comes to mental instability because it interferes with the rights of the mentally insane.

Tell me, what calibre was the Unabomber using? Which tool did he misuse? The AR? The AK? Maybe, like that Navy Yard shooter, a perfectly legal shotgun?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Robert. F. Kennedy JR.: "The same is true, Mark [Steyn], with all these shootings. Nobody is looking at the pharmaceutical contribution to that. Anecdotally, it appears that almost every one of these shooters were on SSRIs or some other psychiatric drug, and this is only happening in America, where all these people are taking these psychiatric drugs. We take four times as many as any other country in the west, average European country. And there's no time in history — I mean, we've always had guns in this country. Switzerland has more guns per capita than we do, and you don't see that happening there. And I'm not defending all the guns everywhere, but I'm just saying, something happened. Prior to the introduction of Prozac, these kind of — those shootings just were almost unknown. And now they're, you know, they're an everyday affair. But NIH will not study that because it will offend the pharmaceutical industry, and it's something that we ought to be studying."

 

[Rightguide]

More bad news for Butters et al:

Federal judge strikes down age minimum of 21 on handgun purchases​

The judge contended that the government had not shown "any evidence of age-based restrictions on the purchase or sale of firearms from the colonial era, Founding or Early Republic."

By Ben Whedon

Updated: May 11, 2023 - 9:06pm


A federal judge Virginia has struck down a law barring the sale of handguns to adults under the age of 21 as unconstitutional.

John Corey Fraser, 20, and other plaintiffs, had challenged the 1968 Gun Control Act and various regulations from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after they tried to purchase handguns and were refused, ABC News reported.

In a Wednesday decision, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Payne noted that individuals receive numerous constitutional rights and duties at the age of 18 and contended that "the statutes and regulations in question are not consistent with out Nation's history and tradition."

"If the Court were to exclude 18-to-20-year-olds from the Second Amendment's protection, it would impose limitations on the Second Amendment that do not exist with other constitutional guarantees," he opined. Payne cited the Supreme Court's 2022 Bruen decision, which determined that any gun control must be consistent with the country's history and traditions surrounding firearm regulation.

More here: https://justthenews.com/government/...strikes-down-21-age-minimum-handgun-purchases

 

[Bdm20]

That's because he wasn't a white Trump sipporter.

Is that how you view yourself? I’m picturing tightie whities when I read “Trump supporter”. Yeah, seems likely that would be your dream.

 

[Bdm20]

More bad news for Butters et al:

Federal judge strikes down age minimum of 21 on handgun purchases​

The judge contended that the government had not shown "any evidence of age-based restrictions on the purchase or sale of firearms from the colonial era, Founding or Early Republic."

By Ben Whedon

Updated: May 11, 2023 - 9:06pm


A federal judge Virginia has struck down a law barring the sale of handguns to adults under the age of 21 as unconstitutional.

John Corey Fraser, 20, and other plaintiffs, had challenged the 1968 Gun Control Act and various regulations from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after they tried to purchase handguns and were refused, ABC News reported.

In a Wednesday decision, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Payne noted that individuals receive numerous constitutional rights and duties at the age of 18 and contended that "the statutes and regulations in question are not consistent with out Nation's history and tradition."

"If the Court were to exclude 18-to-20-year-olds from the Second Amendment's protection, it would impose limitations on the Second Amendment that do not exist with other constitutional guarantees," he opined. Payne cited the Supreme Court's 2022 Bruen decision, which determined that any gun control must be consistent with the country's history and traditions surrounding firearm regulation.

More here: https://justthenews.com/government/...strikes-down-21-age-minimum-handgun-purchases

Woohoo! Let’s see if we can get it dropped down to age 5 so we can all feel more secure knowing our kindergartners can protect themselves!

 

[Rightguide]

Is that how you view yourself?

No, dipshit. It's why that shooter didn't get as much news coverage. He was born with a media protective coating of brown. The preferred narrative in the media is a gun-toting white male racist with an AR-15. The media is less interested in the SOARING gun crimes taking place 24/7 in minority neighborhoods which have in many cases been converted into public shooting ranges ruled by Democrats.

 

[Rightguide]

Woohoo! Let’s see if we can get it dropped down to age 5 so we can all feel more secure knowing our kindergartners can protect themselves!

Stop with the bullshit. 18-20 year-olds fight the nation's wars, pay taxes, and vote.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Robert. F. Kennedy JR.: "The same is true, Mark [Steyn], with all these shootings. Nobody is looking at the pharmaceutical contribution to that. Anecdotally, it appears that almost every one of these shooters were on SSRIs or some other psychiatric drug, and this is only happening in America, where all these people are taking these psychiatric drugs. We take four times as many as any other country in the west, average European country. And there's no time in history — I mean, we've always had guns in this country. Switzerland has more guns per capita than we do, and you don't see that happening there. And I'm not defending all the guns everywhere, but I'm just saying, something happened. Prior to the introduction of Prozac, these kind of — those shootings just were almost unknown. And now they're, you know, they're an everyday affair. But NIH will not study that because it will offend the pharmaceutical industry, and it's something that we ought to be studying."

The anti-gun crowd always turns a blind eye to the notion of the US being filled with drugged up people and pharma companies peddling their substances in every damn commercial you see.

 

[HisArpy]

Rights that bring with them a clear and obvious downside such as mass killings and endless cases of domestic arguments escalating into murders - for which there’s hardly a lack of evidence, there are literally thousands of examples every year - ought to be granted with conditions imo.

Free speech and privacy rights aren’t entirely unfettered, even though there’s little evidence that these “rights” cost lives, neither in the USA nor here in Europe.

And neither should the right to bear a firearm be automatically interpreted as carte blanche for lunatics to arm themselves like a private army.

Not sure where you’re going with the right to torture ?

You don't have a Right to commit Mass Murder so that one is a non starter.

Where have you been that you haven't heard the talking point that speech is violence? It's been all over the media for years and there were RIOTS under that banner.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." <-- That right there defeats your next premise in its entirety. But, in case you don't quite get it; "[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

Under the 8th Amendment of the US Constitution, you have a Right to be free from Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Based on your premise that Constitutional Rights are things one should "earn" should people be able to be subjected to torture until the "earn" the right to be free of it? Should people be forced to quarter troops inside their homes until they "earn" the right to tell the troops to head on down to the nice house down the block with a young couple in it? Or, how about having to complete a college class on civics to "earn" the right to ask your city council for a tax break on your property? Maybe you should have to "earn" the right to have a jury trial rather than just being tossed into prison?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

They do not turn a blind eye. They're eyes are firmly focused on every scrap of confirmation bias that they can impugn from completely unrelated facts and events.

Switzerland requires you to keep real assault weapons and they aren't awash in death...

So it's clearly not the gun to blame, but when the narrative does not fit your objective, you don the rose-colored granny glasses with blinders in order to focus (and project) on your fears. 99.99% of those who post in abject fear of "The Weapon" will never be confronted by one or the Frankenstein monsters that they have created in their imagination.

 

[Rightguide]

The anti-gun crowd always turns a blind eye to the notion of the US being filled with drugged up people and pharma companies peddling their substances in every damn commercial you see.

And a whole host of uneducated, undisciplined, mentally conflicted, people of unknown origin roaming the nation's streets now as well.

 

[TastySuckToy]

And a whole host of uneducated, undisciplined, mentally conflicted, people of unknown origin roaming the nation's streets now as well.

That combined with the pharma issues and continious race baiting pushed by the media, it's difficult ignore the idea it's all being done on purpose. Keep the masses fighting among themselves so they don't look up and see the real problem.

 

[phrodeau]

The anti-gun crowd always turns a blind eye to the notion of the US being filled with drugged up people and pharma companies peddling their substances in every damn commercial you see.

And a whole host of uneducated, undisciplined, mentally conflicted, people of unknown origin roaming the nation's streets now as well.

That combined with the pharma issues and continious race baiting pushed by the media, it's difficult ignore the idea it's all being done on purpose. Keep the masses fighting among themselves so they don't look up and see the real problem.

All very good reasons to get rid of the guns until those problems are dealt with.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

That combined with the pharma issues and continious race baiting pushed by the media, it's difficult ignore the idea it's all being done on purpose. Keep the masses fighting among themselves so they don't look up and see the real problem.

Divide et impera

 

[VinnyVeritas]

All very good reasons to get rid of the guns until those problems are dealt with.

What calibre did the Unabomber employ in his killing spree?