Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[LincolnDuncan]

"The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys," and now the number and size of their gunz.

Skimming through this thread I've noticed that most of the gun rights posters quickly get frustrated with a debate and resort to name calling and fabrications. Just like fascism, when your ideas fail, you resort to violence.

Somewhere in this thread I saw someone claim that gun ownership was a human right and that that belief was supported by the US constitution. That was one of the funniest things I read on this thread. Food, water and air are human rights. Gunz are tools.

 

[KimGordon67]

Let's put another myth to rest.

More guns equal more Crime?

No. This from the FBI's own website:

Crime in the US, 1992-2011

"Violent crime" is down 51% (386.6/757.7). Despite a population growth of more than 55 Million and increasing legal gun sales. Currently 22% of first time purchasers are women.

http://cdn.aliengearholsters.com/media/wysiwyg/atf-gun-sales-statistics.jpg

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/999z-mpdxusifn-unxc5pq.gif

So if more guns equal more crimes how do we have less crime in the US over a 20 yr period with increasing gun sales?

You just introduced a completely different point to the argument - who in here at any point said more guns = more crime? You're really terrible at keeping on point, and at following through on the thread of a discussion, and at responding to questions that are asked of you directly ... do you have some problem with your attention span?

 

[My I]

You just introduced a completely different point to the argument - who in here at any point said more guns = more crime? You're really terrible at keeping on point, and at following through on the thread of a discussion, and at responding to questions that are asked of you directly ... do you have some problem with your attention span?

First of all that has been stated several times over 45+ pages here.

Second, I have asked more than 20 times for an answer to the two basic questions posed in the original post and YOU avoid them like the plague by diverting the subject until my questions are buried on the last page. So why don't YOU stay on subject?

Thirdly who said I was responding to you? Did I quote you? Are you the only person in this conversation?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

It's almost as if they feel their manhood is being taken away.

"The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys," and now the number and size of their gunz.

Skimming through this thread I've noticed that most of the gun rights posters quickly get frustrated with a debate and resort to name calling and fabrications. Just like fascism, when your ideas fail, you resort to violence.
.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

It's almost as if they feel their manhood is being taken away.

Exactly

 

[KimGordon67]

First of all that has been stated several times over 45+ pages here.

Second, I have asked more than 20 times for an answer to the two basic questions posed in the original post and YOU avoid them like the plague by diverting the subject until my questions are buried on the last page. So why don't YOU stay on subject?

Thirdly who said I was responding to you? Did I quote you? Are you the only person in this conversation?

I never said you were responding directly to me. I just noted that you frequently don't answer direct questions.

As I said quite clearly a while back, your OP has been answered a ways back by numerous people. Any response I gave to that would just be repetition of what others have already said.

You're quite an angry person. Is that just in respect of this issue, or a more general state?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I never said you were responding directly to me. I just noted that you frequently don't answer direct questions.

As I said quite clearly a while back, your OP has been answered a ways back by numerous people. Any response I gave to that would just be repetition of what others have already said.

You're quite an angry person. Is that just in respect of this issue, or a more general state?

and then there is that unnatural attachment to inanimate objects

 

[coachdb18]

Food, water and air are human rights. Gunz are tools.

The Bill of Rights are human rights... food, water and air aren't human rights, they're simply biological requirements.

 

[Blue]

The more firearms in a jurisdiction, the more homicides. Is that too tricky?

That's great! Now we've come full circle again. So now just answer the original fucking question.

Apparently it is too tricky.
When a person can't see or refuses to accept the link between a higher concentration of portable death machines in an area and the higher homicide rate I have to wonder whether they're damaged or just highly indoctrinated.

Then again, I guess its possible that actually isn't the case just like it's possible NASA has us duped and the earth really is flat.

If you guys won't even base your view on this issue within reality then it would be silly of me to assume that presenting reality to you will change your minds so I guess I've reached the end of my serious contributions here.

 

[phrodeau]

First of all that has been stated several times over 45+ pages here.

Second, I have asked more than 20 times for an answer to the two basic questions posed in the original post and YOU avoid them like the plague by diverting the subject until my questions are buried on the last page. So why don't YOU stay on subject?

Thirdly who said I was responding to you? Did I quote you? Are you the only person in this conversation?

Maybe you can find someone claiming that more guns causes more crime, but the only one I see claiming it is you.

As for your original post, there are twenty plus questions in it. Most are of the nature of someone wanting to possess something regardless of any consequences to anyone else. Haven't you learned yet that there are some things that should remain illegal, like snuff films, child porn and heroin?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

The Bill of Rights are human rights... food, water and air aren't human rights, they're simply biological requirements.

yeah, sure

 

[coachdb18]

yeah, sure

If you want abortions so bad, and you want to screw with the right to own a gun so bad, why don't you propose amending the 2nd amendment to include wording that abortions can be performed with a handgun... voila, then you've then done BOTH! As it currently stands, abortion isn't a right, it's just a 5-4 SCOTUS decision..

 

[Blue]

If you want abortions so bad, and you want to screw with the right to own a gun so bad, why don't you propose amending the 2nd amendment to include wording that abortions can be performed with a handgun... voila, then you've then done BOTH!

Dude you are genuinely losing your mind.

 

[Hypoxia]

[big charts]

How do those charts correlate with global warming, increased national debt, and small-business failures?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

If you want abortions so bad, and you want to screw with the right to own a gun so bad, why don't you propose amending the 2nd amendment to include wording that abortions can be performed with a handgun... voila, then you've then done BOTH! As it currently stands, abortion isn't a right, it's just a 5-4 SCOTUS decision..

Who said anything about abortions? I'm sure that it wasn't me. You might have the wrong thread.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Commits, pretty close. Many attempted suicides fail, but those attempted with a gun usually succeed.

Devil's advocate...

If someone wants to end their own life, who the hell are you to stop them?

I can't imagine the circumstances under which I would choose that course, but if I did, it's my business, not yours and not societies. Maybe my family. That's it.

 

[coachdb18]

Who said anything about abortions? I'm sure that it wasn't me. You might have the wrong thread.

I mentioned abortions, since it could become a right by being Constitutional, I'm suggesting you try to get it included in the second amendment. Both, according to you, involve killing children, so best to cover both in one sweeping action. You got a problem with that?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I mentioned abortions, since it could become a right by being Constitutional, I'm suggesting you try to get it included in the second amendment. Both, according to you, involve killing children, so best to cover both in one sweeping action. You got a problem with that?

Nice try!

 

[coachdb18]

Nice try!

You have to become more serious about your causes it seems. Just plastering the ass end of your Prius does nothing, changing the second amendment has LOOOONG been the goal of Progressives, so again, what's your problem?

https://i.imgur.com/GfJk9j0.jpg

 

[todski28]

https://youtu.be/sFMUeUErYVg

Now i could simply copy the data but hey might as well give the guy some views

 

[todski28]

Devil's advocate...

If someone wants to end their own life, who the hell are you to stop them?

I can't imagine the circumstances under which I would choose that course, but if I did, it's my business, not yours and not societies. Maybe my family. That's it.

The stats fo r suicide are reasonably consistant through the western world the method simply changes usa gun suicide is 60% uk rope and asphyxiation suicide is 60% and bmgun is about 2 %

There was a vid I posted earlier about this phenomenon, but conflating suicide into the equations makes a more alarming case for gun abolition.

 

[gunthernehmen]

The stats fo r suicide are reasonably consistant through the western world the method simply changes usa gun suicide is 60% uk rope and asphyxiation suicide is 60% and bmgun is about 2 %

There was a vid I posted earlier about this phenomenon, but conflating suicide into the equations makes a more alarming case for gun abolition.

Which is exactly why the grabbers do it.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

You have to become more serious about your causes it seems. Just plastering the ass end of your Prius does nothing, changing the second amendment has LOOOONG been the goal of Progressives, so again, what's your problem?

https://i.imgur.com/GfJk9j0.jpg

Your attempts at put downs are almost as pathetic as your fear and need to compensate.
I didn't say that I had a problem but since you asked, my problem is that people like you vote and elect reprehensible, self serving pigs who serve corporations and deplorables like you.

 

[todski28]

Your attempts at put downs are almost as pathetic as your fear and need to compensate.
I didn't say that I had a problem but since you asked, my problem is that people like you vote and elect reprehensible, self serving pigs who serve corporations and deplorables like you.

I pretty sure most politicians are of that ilk, but some that support the same things that represent our own beliefs is sometimes the only trade off you get, especially in a majority two party system.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I pretty sure most politicians are of that ilk, but some that support the same things that represent our own beliefs is sometimes the only trade off you get, especially in a majority two party system.

I'm an Independent with equal contempt for all politicians.