Why do men torture and kill their 2-year old kids? Where is the outrage?

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Oops, the kid's mother helped murder her. Only a MISOGYNIST would be outraged at her. Right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127...s&printer=1;_ylt=AhTnxLPLuIFvHSnR3CJaBF1H2ocA

Documents: Mom described killing girl, 2

By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer 19 minutes ago

A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl's stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called "Baby Grace" as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are "fairly confident" that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

"It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, 'Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?'" sheriff's Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. "We're now fairly confident we know the answer to that."

Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, "My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed," according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children's Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley's father lives, took the girl in July.

Trenor's attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

"But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers," Stickler said.

Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple's next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

Wendell Odom, Zeigler's attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

Riley's paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn't seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of "Baby Grace." Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

"It's hard to think that I'll never see her again," she said.

The Sawyers family's attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is "resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse."

DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers' son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents' home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

Riley "had a very big imagination for such a little girl," he said of his daughter. "She could play with anything and have fun with it."

Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl's identity.

"Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us," he said. "She's still our little girl."

___

Associated Press writer M.R. Kropko in Mentor, Ohio, contributed to this report.
 
LovingTongue said:
Oops, the kid's mother helped murder her. Only a MISOGYNIST would be outraged at her. Right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127...s&printer=1;_ylt=AhTnxLPLuIFvHSnR3CJaBF1H2ocA

Documents: Mom described killing girl, 2

By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer 19 minutes ago

A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl's stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called "Baby Grace" as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are "fairly confident" that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

"It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, 'Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?'" sheriff's Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. "We're now fairly confident we know the answer to that."

Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, "My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed," according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children's Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley's father lives, took the girl in July.

Trenor's attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

"But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers," Stickler said.

Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple's next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

Wendell Odom, Zeigler's attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

Riley's paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn't seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of "Baby Grace." Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

"It's hard to think that I'll never see her again," she said.

The Sawyers family's attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is "resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse."

DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers' son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents' home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

Riley "had a very big imagination for such a little girl," he said of his daughter. "She could play with anything and have fun with it."

Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl's identity.

"Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us," he said. "She's still our little girl."

___

Associated Press writer M.R. Kropko in Mentor, Ohio, contributed to this report.


breeding licence,

make people show that they have the responsibility to look after their offspring....
 
They should be locked up forever, and forced to do work to make money, which would go into a general victim's fund.
 
The only requirement to be outraged at BOTH is breathing.

It's too easy to have children.
 
they're both being charged...
so i'm not seeing your point.
 
TurdFergeson said:
They should be locked up forever, and forced to do work to make money, which would go into a general victim's fund.

unfortunately, the cost of imprisonment is higher than the revenue they would create, as such they would be draining the victims compensation.

rather the 60 years of penitentiary cost goes into a fund and the accused are thrown of a high cliff
 
iceburg1 said:
unfortunately, the cost of imprisonment is higher than the revenue they would create, as such they would be draining the victims compensation.

rather the 60 years of penitentiary cost goes into a fund and the accused are thrown of a high cliff

Sounds reasonable.
 
Now, here I become a proponent of the death penalty.

And I agree with Iceburg - people should be forced to get a license to breed. There's too many people like this in the world...
 
LovingTongue said:
Call me Mr. Bookmaker.

My book says he gets the chair and she gets the duck pond.
he said that he killed the child...

so isn't that how the law works over there? the one who actually did the killing gets the chair and the other gets years?

i thought that was the way the law worked. regardless of gender.
 
Women don't deserve privileged protection from murder charges, even though we live in a MISOGYNIST society. ;)
 
iceburg1 said:
and your problem is ?


Well its illegal and no court in this country would sentence anyone to do that form service, regardless of how vile their misdeeds are. :cool:
 
SoaringAdonis said:
Women don't deserve privileged protection from murder charges, even though we live in a MISOGYNIST society. ;)
they should be charged with murder, even if they are only accessories, just to prove we're not misogynists.
 
dolf said:
he said that he killed the child...

so isn't that how the law works over there? the one who actually did the killing gets the chair and the other gets years?

i thought that was the way the law worked. regardless of gender.
She confessed to being just as involved as he was.

"A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl's stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show."
 
SoaringAdonis said:
Well its illegal and no court in this country would sentence anyone to do that form service, regardless of how vile their misdeeds are. :cool:

Umm..and what is Prison?

Complete lack of freedom. Locked in a cell. "Allowed to work" sometimes for pennies on the dollar.

Or given Prison Duties.

They are already slaves, and all their "wages" should go to their victim's families or into a general fund.

Better than just killing them when they still have potential to do good for society, even if they are not free.
 
dolf said:
he said that he killed the child...

so isn't that how the law works over there? the one who actually did the killing gets the chair and the other gets years?

i thought that was the way the law worked. regardless of gender.
Not necessarily. By taking part in the commission of that crime - which could be something as little as watching it happen and not trying to stop it - she *could* be held just as liable as he is. It depends on how the prosecutor decides to try the case - s/he could decide that they would be more likely to win if they are tried for different levels of responsibility. In this case, let's hope they're tried equally - this was her daughter, for fuck's sake...
 
dolf said:
they should be charged with murder, even if they are only accessories, just to prove we're not misogynists.


Wouldn't it be misogynistic to charge the women with murder even if she was somehow victimized into the situation, by the abusive misogynistic man who is the total murderer?
 
SoaringAdonis said:
Well its illegal and no court in this country would sentence anyone to do that form service, regardless of how vile their misdeeds are. :cool:


so is murder fuckwit ! and i agree that courts / states should not have that right, which is why i'm planning to start a posse and come to your country to re-instate justice

call me mad lettuce
 
TurdFergeson said:
Umm..and what is Prison?

Complete lack of freedom. Locked in a cell. "Allowed to work" sometimes for pennies on the dollar.

Or given Prison Duties.

They are already slaves, and all their "wages" should go to their victim's families or into a general fund.

Better than just killing them when they still have potential to do good for society, even if they are not free.

no eye for an eye justice, you do not have the funds to keep prisons (nice cross over from the communist tax thread)
The cost to Americans of having such a high incarceration rate comes in many forms.

Combined, state governments shoulder an estimated $40 billion a year tab to operate their prison systems, an expense that often competes with the financial needs of education and other social services, according to a press release from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.

"[California's] Governor Gray Davis (D) has decreed that most government departments must cut their budgets by 15%, including higher education and K-12 education. Yet…the Davis administration is plowing ahead with plans to build a $335 million, 5,000-bed maximum security prison at Delano," the release said.

The social costs, called "invisible punishments" by Mauer, are also significant. People convicted of felony drug offenses in certain states are prohibited from public housing, welfare benefits, access to financial aid for education and, in some cases, the right to vote.

As a result of these policies, over four million Americans have lost their right to vote.
 
LovingTongue said:
She confessed to being just as involved as he was.

"A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl's stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show."
so she's guilty of abuse and of being an accessory.
 
SoaringAdonis said:
Wouldn't it be misogynistic to charge the women with murder even if she was somehow victimized into the situation, by the abusive misogynistic man who is the total murderer?
Victimized into torturing and killing a child? That's ridiculous.
 
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