Why Are Cops So Scared?

[Ramone45]

I watched that video of the cops grabbing up Jay Pharoah, and it broke my heart. An innocent American citizen accosted and kidnapped by gun-wielding thugs. Just horrible. Knee on the neck and everything. This is not a "whoopsie". If those cops are not terminated for not being cut-out for police work, at the very least they should never be on the streets again.
I wonder if cops are so scared and trigger happy because society tolerates disrespect of their authority. In an ideal world, the police SHOULD be the ultimate authority on the street; the barrier between good and evil. Society should not tolerate violence and disrespect of police officers. The penalties for such offenses should be severe enough to serve as a deterrent.
Maybe if Police felt society had their back, they wouldn't be so scared.
You may say police are already immune and held harmless, but that's not what I mean.
Perhaps there can be better ways also to protect citizens when cops fuck up like they did with Pharaoh. IMO, those cops violated their oath to protect an uphold the Constitutio. They're gone, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ziggins]

Cops aren't lawyers. Swearing to uphold the Constitution is not a guarantee of knowing what's in it. Cops want jobs with benefits, and maybe some petty power. One possible source of fear is seeing their employers in financial distress. Holy shit, that's my pension burning down, leaving town, or evaporating on the stock market.

 

[hogjack]

Criminals are loving and kind. Hugging it out is a better solution.

However, in lieu of that, law enforcement in the major cities should back off (stand down) and let non-criminal citizens of all races, national origins, sexual orientation, and gender take care of business. Much more efficient and less toxic. The citizens are ready to step up in challenging times.

 

[Rightguide]

I watched that video of the cops grabbing up Jay Pharoah, and it broke my heart. An innocent American citizen accosted and kidnapped by gun-wielding thugs. Just horrible. Knee on the neck and everything. This is not a "whoopsie". If those cops are not terminated for not being cut-out for police work, at the very least they should never be on the streets again.
I wonder if cops are so scared and trigger happy because society tolerates disrespect of their authority. In an ideal world, the police SHOULD be the ultimate authority on the street; the barrier between good and evil. Society should not tolerate violence and disrespect of police officers. The penalties for such offenses should be severe enough to serve as a deterrent.
Maybe if Police felt society had their back, they wouldn't be so scared.
You may say police are already immune and held harmless, but that's not what I mean.
Perhaps there can be better ways also to protect citizens when cops fuck up like they did with Pharaoh. IMO, those cops violated their oath to protect an uphold the Constitutio. They're gone, as far as I'm concerned.

They are not immune or held harmless. They are harmed every day, literally. There were 89 police officers killed in the line of duty last year. Over 58,000 were assaulted the year before, 158 per day. Not a memorable single demonstration or public outcry for any of them. They would be safer in Afghanistan.

(edited to correct deaths in the line of duty)

 

[Ziggins]

Many cops now don't live where they work, such as suburbanites working in large cities. When a city is merely an employer, not the cop's own community, there is less incentive to care.

 

[Sean]

I think the biggest problem is that for an American cop his first solution to any problem is gun. That should be the last option.

 

[Ziggins]

They are not immune or held harmless. They are harmed every day, literally. There were 147 police officers killed in the line of duty last year. Over 58,000 were assaulted the year before, 158 per day. Not a memorable single demonstration or public outcry for any of them. They would be safer in Afghanistan.

Police work is usually ranked in the mid teens. I haven't seen it in the top 10 of any list of most dangerous jobs.

 

[FlowersForFun]

I think the biggest problem is that for an American cop his first solution to any problem is gun. That should be the last option.

Oh look, Sean doesn't know shit about American cops!!

 

[Ramone45]

I think the biggest problem is that for an American cop his first solution to any problem is gun. That should be the last option.

I disagree. The majority of cops go their whole career without ever drawing their weapon. And, I don't think it was always this way.

 

[akatrex]

Police work is usually ranked in the mid teens. I haven't seen it in the top 10 of any list of most dangerous jobs.

Interestingly, None of the Top 20 most dangerous jobs have a need for a Bullet Proof Vest!

 

[Sean]

I disagree. The majority of cops go their whole career without ever drawing their weapon. And, I don't think it was always this way.

The ones that don't pull their guns aren't usually the problem.

 

[Rightguide]

I think the biggest problem is that for an American cop his first solution to any problem is gun. That should be the last option.

That should be borne out by statistics, why don't you show those to us?

 

[Rightguide]

Police work is usually ranked in the mid teens. I haven't seen it in the top 10 of any list of most dangerous jobs.

What other job in the US results in 158 of it's employees assaulted every day?

 

[Sean]

What other job in the US results in 158 of it's employees assaulted every day?

I'm gonna guess convenience store clerk. Or sex worker.

 

[Conager]

I'm gonna guess convenience store clerk. Or sex worker.

He didn't ask who you were more likely to assault.

 

[akatrex]

Police work is usually ranked in the mid teens. I haven't seen it in the top 10 of any list of most dangerous jobs.

1. Logging workers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
3. Sailors and marine oilers
4. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
5. Paving, surfacing, and tamping equipment operators
6. Dredge, excavating, and loading machine operators
7. Derrick, rotary drill, and service unit operators, oil, gas, and mining
8. Other transportation workers
9. Roofers
10. Maintenance workers, machinery
11. Woodworking machine setters, operators, and tenders
12. Septic tank servicers and sewer pipe cleaners
13. Refuse and recyclable material collectors
14. Structural iron and steelworkers
15. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
16. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers
17. Rail-track laying and maintenance equipment operators
18. Reinforcing iron and rebar workers
19. Riggers
20. First-line supervisors of farming, fishing, and forestry workers

 

[RobDownSouth]

New York state banned police chokeholds yesterday and the NYPD threw a hissy fit. The government is depriving them of something they "need to do their job" which should tell you all you need to know about NYPD priorities.

I'm sure Hogjack will be along momentarily to man-splain to us how chokeholds have always been an integral part of police work

 

[hogjack]

Many cops now don't live where they work, such as suburbanites working in large cities. When a city is merely an employer, not the cop's own community, there is less incentive to care.

I care that you are an idiot.

I only care because idiots take up a lot of resources that can be better used by others.

 

[bestone4ever]

The training to be a aesthetician takes longer than to be a cop in America.

 

[hogjack]

I'm sure Hogjack will be along momentarily to man-splain to us how chokeholds have always been an integral part of police work

Thank you for the props. I am a fan of any maneuver that can be done to make both law enforcement and the subject of arrest safe.

If there are better techniques they should be deployed, of course. Actually, other techniques are already utilized. The goal is to immobilize the subject, not kill them or permanently injure them.

Officers that abuse subjects should be reprimanded and more, as necessary and as spelled out in federal, local or state laws and regulations. Subjects that injure or attempt to injure law enforcement personnel should also be punished legally to the fullest extent of the law.

If this is too complicated to understand let me know. Not everyone has the same cognitive or comprehension capabilities.

 

[Wrong Element]

I wonder if cops are so scared and trigger happy because society tolerates disrespect of their authority. In an ideal world, the police SHOULD be the ultimate authority on the street; the barrier between good and evil. Society should not tolerate violence and disrespect of police officers. The penalties for such offenses should be severe enough to serve as a deterrent.

That people who have this attitude are much more likely to want to become police in the first place is a big part of the problem. Arte has told me that the guys in her small town high school who went on to become cops were the hotheads who got in fights every weekend.

They are not immune or held harmless. They are harmed every day, literally. There were 147 police officers killed in the line of duty last year. Over 58,000 were assaulted the year before, 158 per day. Not a memorable single demonstration or public outcry for any of them. They would be safer in Afghanistan.

The majority of police who die in the line of duty are either killed in traffic accidents or have heart attacks.

 

[LesPatterson]

I think the biggest problem is that for an American cop his first solution to any problem is gun. That should be the last option.[/QUOTE

"I think" LOL . Sheamus has no idea of what it's like being a being a police officer. fucking pen pusher. IRA SCUM

 

[Rightguide]

That people who have this attitude are much more likely to want to become police in the first place is a big part of the problem. Arte has told me that the guys in her small town high school who went on to become cops were the hotheads who got in fights every weekend.






The majority of police who die in the line of duty are either killed in traffic accidents or have heart attacks.

Btw, that 147 figure I posted was incorrect, here are the correct numbers:

FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty

"According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents. Comprehensive data tables about these incidents and brief narratives describing the fatal attacks are included in Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 2019, released today."

 

[LesPatterson]

Btw, that 147 figure I posted was incorrect, here is the correct numbers:




FBI Releases 2019 Statistics on Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty

"According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019. Of these, 48 officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 41 officers died in accidents. Comprehensive data tables about these incidents and brief narratives describing the fatal attacks are included in Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, 2019, released today."

i still "think" if Sheamus was on the wrong side of town he would welcome the police.

 

[Conager]

. . .and the factors that make "the wrong side" of town the wrong side have nothing at all to do with self-inflicted poverty or accusations of systemic racism and police abuses. Those are symptoms, not causes.