What would you think if.....?

[Bobtoad777]

We go to the movies, see the heros woman or family or something abducted by the bad guy near the beginning of the movie and for the hero to chase after him for 90 minutes until he defeats him in the end.

What would you do if...instead of the goodguy wining in the end if a movie had the bad guy win and get away with his crime or what ever it was that he did?

Have you ever found your self cheering for the bad guy?

Just some thoughts that would makes movies more like reallife and kind of more of a twist to movies.

Lots of discussion

 

[wolfy]

I'd love it.

In real life you don't want the bad guys to win but in A movie it would be refreshing to have something like that happen. Totally throw you and have the bad guy win!! LoL! I'd tell everyone to watch that movie probably unless it was really bad. I love the idea and I wish someone would make a movie like that.

 

[lala]

i've talked to people about it before and i would like to see that. the closest we have know is a protagonist that we can't relate with, or agree with. that makes it a little more difficult.

like in "lolita" you can't agree with the protagonist- he has sex with a little girl- but she was the initiator- she knew she had the power, so you get confused. it clears up in the end somewhat, but i won't spoil it. i must say though, supposedly in the book it's worse because you know what he thinks- he blames her for seducing him, and she does, even if she's a little girl. plus little is a relative term, she's 12 or 13 i think,...

anyhow,...

 

[Melody_lane]

It has been done...hasn't anyone ever seen Rocky?

 

[RonG]

There are a couple of really good film noirs where the hero gets the short end of the stick. Nora Prentiss with Ann Sheridan and the original DOA with Edmund O'Brien are two that immediately come to mind.

But the most obvious to me is probably King Kong. Damn Airplanes!

 

[Never]

bobtoad777:
"Have you ever found your self cheering for the bad guy?"

Hannibal, Aeon Flux, Catwoman.
A compelling personality is always a pleasure to watch, sometimes a character's 'bad side' is much more interesting than the good side. There's a great deal of ambiance and shades of grey in morality. In each story a watcher/reader is trying to make a connection with a character, whichever connection is the strongest is the one that the audience cares for. Obviously, we don't like to connect with the bad guys, but when one is especially.. I don't know, interesting (?) then you care for them more than the 'hero'.

The three characters above are all examples of what happens when a writer/storyteller makes the 'villain' more compelling than the hero - or makes them the hero. They were all also created that way deliberately, such character never occur on accident. Peter Chang, the man who created Aeon Flux, was fascinated by how all American cinematic heroes seemed bigger than life and how attached people became with these grand figures. He wondered if audiences would react the same way to a 'villain' that was treated in the same manner and, even in Aeon's rather grotesque first season, portrayed her as the catalyst - the most important piece to whatever larger picture she was involved in.

 

[Renegade]

Arlington(sp?) Road was a good movie where the bad guys won at the end. I cheer alot of times for the bad guys in movies because sometimes they are actualy more likable then the good guys. Usualy I cheer for the bad guy if the good guys are all cocky and think they are so cool all the time since it makes them losing more fun then seeing them win.

Does anyone remember that movie where a lawyer defends this guy because he thinks he is good then at the end after he proves the killer is innocent the killer tells him he realy did kill those people and he just used him? Forgot what it was called but that was a good twist at the end from the usual 'the lawyer saves another innocent man' type ending.

Of course in real life I hope for the bad guy to lose but unfortunatly that doesn't happen as often as we'd wish.

 

[Earthmuffin]

Hmmm...

I hadn't really thought of it that way. I have fervently wished that whilst the good guy and bad guy were fighting rolling across the floor trying to knife each other with one mutual knife, the dumb broad would stop standing there screaming and waving her hands and pick up the tire iron, lamp, coat rack, whatever and bash the noggin of the bad guy!! *eek run-on sentence from hell, I need sleep!*

 

[Katie]

Does anyone remember that movie where a lawyer defends this guy because he thinks he is good then at the end after he proves the killer is innocent the killer tells him he realy did kill those people and he just used him?

Hmmm...are you thinking of Primal Fear with Richard Gere and Edward Norton? If that's what you're talking about, I totally agree. Great movie.

 

[Renegade]

Yeah that's it! I knew it was Primal something but couldn't remember. Great movie.

 

[goddess_euphoria]

I know I've watched movies where the bad guy wins in the end, I just can't think of any titles right now! But yeah, I find myself cheering for bad guys some times (I always cheer for the vampires in horror movies!) I've also seen movies where the bad guy wins, it's somewhat disturbing (when you're not rooting for them!) cause I guess I watch movies sometimes because I know in the end everything is going to work out all right and everything gets resolved (so much unlike reality!)

 

[Xander]

I actually rooted for Michel Ironside, in Total Recall. So there.

Arlington Road, is a really great movie. Or so I think anyway. Better than Primal Fear.

But I would like to see more, where the bad guy gets away with whatever he/she has done.
True I would never root for it IRL. But at the movies, it's refreshing to see. I agree with that one.

Oh, do anybody remember 12 Monkeys?? I'd say the bad guy get's his way in that one also.

 

[GuyJD]

I WANT YOU TO MEET MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Scarface" (starring Al Pacino) a bad guy whom we all rooted for throughout the movie? But at the end, he was killed by another bad guy.

 

[goddess_euphoria]

Xander - yup, the 12 monkeys guy definately got what he wanted! (though that movie ticked me off cause Bruce dies, and Bruce is my hero!!) Also, that movie Suicide Kings, though I'm not really sure who was supposed to be the good guy and who was supposed to be the bad guy...

 

[insideShiraz]

Bbbbbbbbobby...

"Funny Games", from Austria...Scary Gary...

 

[Roll-One]

I go to some of these movies cause all my friends talk about it, and that raises my curiosity... so thats the main reason why i go