What if Diversity Trainings Are Doing More Harm Than Good? by Jesse Singal

[ll74]

Post the data that proves that you are right, and I am mistaken.

I don't need to post data that proves that your data is outdated. Most of it is over 20 years old. Your genetics articles are referring to genetic info from prior to the genome being mapped.

 

[ll74]

I'm not that way.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You call me a racist because you cannot refute my arguments. Once I asked a young black man, "If you are alone in a city after dark, and four young men you do not know are walking toward you, will you feel safer if they are white or black?"

He answered, "I will feel safer if they are white, a lot safer. I think most blacks feel the same way. Even in the South I would feel safer if they are white."

I feel the same way he does. So does Jesse Jackson.


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And here you are, quoting again, out of context,what Jackson said to PUSH in Chicago in 1993.

*chuckles*

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For those of you who wish to understand what Jackson meant by the little snippet that JE here tries to pass off backing up "his" own view.I have chosen this link, because to me, the introductory title of the article epitomises old John here. "Jesse Jackson's message is too advanced for most"
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-12-03-1993337169-story.html

I have on three other occasions posted the challenge for John to post the full and complete speech, instead of this out of context section he likes to use. As of yet, the piece of shit Racist has ran away with his hands covering his eyes, pretending not to see my challenges.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

When my technological firm hired a black computer programmer I began mentoring him, although I had not been told to. He told our boss that I was helping him. Our boss told me, "It is my job to train the people I hire, but I do not always have the time. You are making my job a lot easier."

I can just see you patting him on the head saying " man you're doing a good job, I never thought you could learn..."

 

[adrina]

Professor J. Philippe Rushton

A psychologist whose work has been largely and widely debunked.

As to the "theory" that you stand on - I can't even imagine saying that with a straight face and expect to be taken seriously.

 

[YDB95]

In other words, you do not like what I say, but you cannot refute it because it is true.

No, in other words, I have refuted it dozens of times but you insist on pretending otherwise.
(Lest this get lost in the shuffle, what I am referring to here is JE's neverending loop of "What have I said that is not true?" I have answered that innumerable times, always with the same answer, but it never stops him from repeating the question as if neither I nor anyone else have ever addressed it.)

My analogy between cold war hysteria and political correctness explains why inhibitions against intellectual freedom lead to serious problems.

Don't believe everything you hear on whatever right-wing source hasn't blocked you yet. (I know, Stormfront has because you think you're enlightened about Jews and Asians.) What you are railing against here isn't "inhibitions against intellectual freedom", it's the reality that the work of Charles Murray and your other heroes has not stood up to scrutiny at all. Freedom of speech is one thing, freedom from consequences of your speech is quite another.

Calling someone a racist does not advance the dialogue on race President Clinton called for, and which we need to have; it is an effort to suppress the dialogue.

Out of context, I agree - the left does have a problem with being too quick to call other people racist. But the context is that you are always arguing Black people are fundamentally dumber than whites. Exactly what do you expect that to add to the dialogue on race?

I have even been told that "Negro" has become derogatory. Martin Luther King, Jr. used that n word 15 times in his "I have a dream speech."

That was in 1963. In those days, "Negro" was an appropriate word. Nowadays it isn't. Language evolves, especially on hot topics like race.

Now we are supposed to call those people "African Americans." I have never heard a Negro use the term "African American" unless he was on television. Negroes frequently use the n word that ends with r.

I have no trouble believing your Black friends do that. No trouble at all.

 

[JohnEngelman]

A psychologist whose work has been largely and widely debunked.

As to the "theory" that you stand on - I can't even imagine saying that with a straight face and expect to be taken seriously.

How was Professor Rushton debunked? His assertions are thoroughly documented. There is nothing counter intuitive about his assertions. They are obvious to anyone with extensive experience with each of the three major races. They were commonly asserted until it became fashionable to lie about them, and dangerous to tell the truth.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

How was Professor Rushton debunked?

Are you really this fucking stupid? How many times have I linked the withdrawal of his papers? 5 6.....I can't be bothered anymore, since you are like Sgt Schultz......"I seeeeee nothingggggggg"

His assertions are thoroughly documented. There is nothing counter intuitive about his assertions. They are obvious to anyone with extensive experience with each of the three major races. They were commonly asserted until it became fashionable to lie about them, and dangerous to tell the truth.

"I seeeeeeeee nothinggggggg"

 

[YDB95]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[adrina]

How was Professor Rushton debunked? His assertions are thoroughly documented. There is nothing counter intuitive about his assertions. They are obvious to anyone with extensive experience with each of the three major races. They were commonly asserted until it became fashionable to lie about them, and dangerous to tell the truth.

Do some basic research. Oddly enough I suggest his wiki page. As a basic starter course.

He has documented his assertions. And most of them have been debunked.

Catch up.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Do some basic research. Oddly enough I suggest his wiki page. As a basic starter course.

He has documented his assertions. And most of them have been debunked.

Catch up.

You have not answered my questions. Explain in your own words how Professor Rushton's assertions were disproved.

Briefly, he made three assertions. First, the average Oriental is more intelligent than the average white person, who is more intelligent than the average Negro. Second, the average Oriental is more law abiding than the average white person, who is more law abiding than the average Negro. Third, the average Oriental is more monogamous than the average white person, who is more monogamous than the average Negro.

Those three assertions are obviously true. Look at the data.

Those who continue to blame black social pathology on white racism cannot explain why black social pathology has gotten worse since 1963, when the civil rights legislation was passed into law, and since the War on Poverty was declared.

 

[YDB95]

Those who continue to blame black social pathology on white racism cannot explain why black social pathology has gotten worse since 1963, when the civil rights legislation was passed into law, and since the War on Poverty was declared.

That's another thing you keep repeating as if it's absolutely unimpeachable, when the reality is simply that you're pretending those two factors are the only influences since 1963. Which is absurd.

 

[Lazaran]

The “great” John E. must have missed post #27 in this thread.

How convenient.

Post #53 adds some color.

the “great” John E.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That's another thing you keep repeating as if it's absolutely unimpeachable, when the reality is simply that you're pretending those two factors are the only influences since 1963. Which is absurd.

What are the other influences?

 

[JohnEngelman]

I don't need to post data that proves that your data is outdated. Most of it is over 20 years old. Your genetics articles are referring to genetic info from prior to the genome being mapped.

Post data that shows that Negroes have closed the race gaps in average intelligence, as well as criminal and sexual behavior.

DNA evidence makes it possible to determine a person's race or race mixture with better than 99% accuracy.

Despite taboos against looking for them, gene alleles are being discovered for intelligence and criminal behavior.

 

[JohnEngelman]

And here you are, quoting again, out of context,what Jackson said to PUSH in Chicago in 1993.

*chuckles*

​

For those of you who wish to understand what Jackson meant by the little snippet that JE here tries to pass off backing up "his" own view.I have chosen this link, because to me, the introductory title of the article epitomises old John here. "Jesse Jackson's message is too advanced for most"
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1993-12-03-1993337169-story.html

I have on three other occasions posted the challenge for John to post the full and complete speech, instead of this out of context section he likes to use. As of yet, the piece of shit Racist has ran away with his hands covering his eyes, pretending not to see my challenges.

Post Jesse Jackson's entire speech yourself.

 

[Lazaran]

The “great” John E. must have never seen an undercover expose on continuing discrimination after 1963.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about fence-line communities.

The “great” John E. must never have heard about white flight in the 1960s and 70s.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about redlining, reverse redlining, and unmanaged gentrification.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about racist highway projects, etc.

the “great” John E.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The “great” John E. must have never seen an undercover expose on continuing discrimination after 1963.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about fence-line communities.

The “great” John E. must never have heard about white flight in the 1960s and 70s.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about redlining, reverse redlining, and unmanaged gentrification.

The “great” John E. must never have been educated about racist highway projects, etc.

the “great” John E.

By every criteria whites treat blacks better than before 1964. By every criteria black behavior, on the average, has gotten worse.

 

[adrina]

You have not answered my questions. Explain in your own words how Professor Rushton's assertions were disproved.

Briefly, he made three assertions. First, the average Oriental is more intelligent than the average white person, who is more intelligent than the average Negro. Second, the average Oriental is more law abiding than the average white person, who is more law abiding than the average Negro. Third, the average Oriental is more monogamous than the average white person, who is more monogamous than the average Negro.

Those three assertions are obviously true. Look at the data.

Those who continue to blame black social pathology on white racism cannot explain why black social pathology has gotten worse since 1963, when the civil rights legislation was passed into law, and since the War on Poverty was declared.

You don't seem to understand that when somebody or something is discredited to the extent that this individual is, that my interest in digging around in their bullshit falls beneath the floor. Additionally when dealing with a questionable source it isn't my responsibility to disprove it. It is your responsibility, as the person relying on said discredited individual, to prove the assertions.

I did enough work to realize this individual can be placed in the quack pile. If you would like me or anyone to take the quack seriously, then you need to do the work to prove he's not a quack.

 

[YDB95]

What are the other influences?

Lazaran provided a bunch, but the first and most obvious is that before LBJ's signature was even dry on the Civil Rights Act, people like you were looking for ways to subvert it. Look, in a perfect world, the schools would have been fully integrated that same year and all the kids would have gotten along like best friends, and 350 years of institutionalized racism would have been magically forgotten - but that ain't how the real world works. We also shouldn't forget that for most of the first 30 years after the Civil Rights Act, the presidency was held by a party that was openly opposed to it. That...kind of puts a damper on progress, like it or not.

By every criteria whites treat blacks better than before 1964.

That's setting the bar about as low as you can go!

By every criteria black behavior, on the average, has gotten worse.

You mean like more Blacks finishing college (or even high school), getting elected to public office in places where it would have been unthinkable in 1963, up to and including the presidency...I could go on, but we've already established that you apparently think this sort of thing means Black behavior "has gotten worse". That says far more about you than anyone or anything else.

 

[ll74]

Post data that shows that Negroes have closed the race gaps in average intelligence, as well as criminal and sexual behavior.

The claim you made was that nobody explained that your data was outdated. Your data, that is repeatedly posted, shows that you rarely use data from the last 20 years.

DNA evidence makes it possible to determine a person's race or race mixture with better than 99% accuracy.

There are no genetic differences between races. I'm not posting the sources on that, because I've done so several times before and you ignore it.

Despite taboos against looking for them, gene alleles are being discovered for intelligence and criminal behavior.

See above .

 

[ll74]

Post Jesse Jackson's entire speech yourself.

The point being made is that you haven't read the entire speech. He's posted it several times for you. If you did read the entire speech, you'd know that your quote doesn't mean what you think it means when taken as a whole.

When people provide you data, you ignore it.

When people point out that your data is outdated, you blame others for it.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You don't seem to understand that when somebody or something is discredited to the extent that this individual is, that my interest in digging around in their bullshit falls beneath the floor. Additionally when dealing with a questionable source it isn't my responsibility to disprove it. It is your responsibility, as the person relying on said discredited individual, to prove the assertions.

I did enough work to realize this individual can be placed in the quack pile. If you would like me or anyone to take the quack seriously, then you need to do the work to prove he's not a quack.

Professor J. Philippe Rushton was yelled at and cursed at. but never disproved. Before it became fashionable to lie about what anyone who has studied the data knows to be true, his assertions were the informed consensus. They still are the clandestine consensus of those who are informed. Scientific truth is not determined by the howling of mobs, but by research and the accumulation of facts.

There is no evidence of intrinsic equality between the three major races in average qualities civilizations need in order to thrive. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. I have proved the existence of contrary evidence right here on this forum.

 

[adrina]

Professor J. Philippe Rushton was yelled at and cursed at. but never disproved. Before it became fashionable to lie about what anyone who has studied the data knows to be true, his assertions were the informed consensus. They still are the clandestine consensus of those who are informed. Scientific truth is not determined by the howling of mobs, but by research and the accumulation of facts.

There is no evidence of intrinsic equality between the three major races in average qualities civilizations need in order to thrive. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. I have proved the existence of contrary evidence right here on this forum.

Okey dokey then.

I have a habit of not maintaining conversations with brick walls. Nothing I say will even make an impact. Have your saints, enjoy them.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Lazaran provided a bunch, but the first and most obvious is that before LBJ's signature was even dry on the Civil Rights Act, people like you were looking for ways to subvert it. Look, in a perfect world, the schools would have been fully integrated that same year and all the kids would have gotten along like best friends, and 350 years of institutionalized racism would have been magically forgotten - but that ain't how the real world works. We also shouldn't forget that for most of the first 30 years after the Civil Rights Act, the presidency was held by a party that was openly opposed to it. That...kind of puts a damper on progress, like it or not.

I supported the civil rights legislation when it was signed, and for a long time afterwards.

Also, how does mistreatment justify misbehavior and inferior performance, or even explain it? Jews were persecuted for nearly two thousand years. This persecution culminated in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, today Jews behave at least as well, on the average, as white Gentiles. They usually perform quite a bit better academically and economically.

By the way, I am a white Gentile. On antisemitic websites when I am called a Jew I respond, "Thank you for mistaking me for a Jew." I praise Jews because I am not Jewish. Jews are usually humble about their genetic superiority. They do not blame others for their failures. They hardly ever fail.