What are your thoughts on Tim McViegh

[mikey2much]

I think that Timothy McViegh may have been right to do what he did; I think that he gave his life to stop the country from going down a wrong path. I would rank him up there with Nathan Hale, the man who famously said that he only regretted having one life to give for his country.

What excuse do the rest of us have for letting our government wreak havoc on the world at large? I know that there are a lot of far right people on this site and I expect that I will get several nasty replies for this post. I hope that there are some like me out there that can see past the lies that our leaders are telling us and see the bloodshed and violence that our push for profits at any price are bringing to the world.

I would ask you to pick a subject that is important to the future of the world and then see where our government stands on that question. I will not try to tell you what to do or what to think. I would ask you to look inside your own heart and tell me if you think that we, the people, have did what we could to make the world a better and safer place for us all to live.

I am no expert on politics but it seems to me that a few simple changes could make our system work again. The way it is now is not what our founding fathers had in mind.
I list below a few suggestions;

1. Take away the right of corporations to give money to support people running for office or to give to political parties. The right to influence government should rest in the hands of ‘The People’ not the companies within the country.
2. There should never be any reason for our forces to be deployed without a declaration of war. When congress votes and declares a war, then send the troops and support them with everything the country has to offer.
3. Force the TV and radio to give set amounts of time to the people who are running for office. If needed give a tax break to the stations to help defer the expense.
4. Any church that offers political advice or thoughts to the flock they are teaching should lose their tax status as a church and be classed as a political group.


OK, I know you think that the first line of this post is too much to take. But before you get your panties in a wad, give it a little thought. I am a veteran and I love this country as much as anybody on this site. I am trying to rouse you to do something to help stop it from being eaten alive by the big money.

If you have a better ideal of how to fix it, I would love to hear it.
mikey

 

[geronimo_appleby]

who he?

 

[mikey2much]

I have not been a big fan of the guy

who he?

I was not sure about the spelling of his name. I have never been a fan of his but I begin to understand why he did what he did.
If my spelling is as bad as your history, we are both in trouble.
mikey

 

[geronimo_appleby]

I was not sure about the spelling of his name. I have never been a fan of his but I begin to understand why he did what he did.
If my spelling is as bad as your history, we are both in trouble.
mikey

my knowledge of history is quite comprehensive, so i'm confident on that score. so, who is the bloke?

 

[FatDino]

Click here for information on the forementioned.

Then you can discuss all you want.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Old Timmy is a homegrown terrorist.

 

[jsragmanus]

Killing children is wrong no matter what.

For those who don't know, Tim McVeigh was the person who was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing in which 169 people (or so) were killed.

Even though I understand his motivations, and to some small degree sympathize, blowing up a building that has a nursery/day care center in it is just evil, and he deserves what he got.

I'm a veteran too, but there is no excusing it.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Old Timmy is a homegrown terrorist.

ah, i got the fellah now.

not that my thoughts count much, me being English (hence why i didn't click to the name straight away), but i'd say he was a wanker.

oh, and i served too.

 

[rgraham666]

The man was scum living out a paranoid fantasy. No different from the man who killed those people in Virginia.

I cannot understand anybody who sympathizes with him. What he did was utter madness, complete evil. A man who told himself, "My cause is just, therefore anything I do is just."

If you sympathize with him, you're walking the same road. You just haven't travelled down it as far as he did.

Yet.

 

[mikey2much]

we are all walking that road now

The man was scum living out a paranoid fantasy. No different from the man who killed those people in Virginia.

I cannot understand anybody who sympathizes with him. What he did was utter madness, complete evil. A man who told himself, "My cause is just, therefore anything I do is just."

If you sympathize with him, you're walking the same road. You just haven't travelled down it as far as he did.

Yet.

If you support our fearless leader and his unjust wars then you are walking that road too. You are just killing the people a little further from home then he did but it is the same path.
mikey

 

[CharleyH]

I think that Timothy McViegh may have been right to do what he did; I think that he gave his life to stop the country from going down a wrong path. I would rank him up there with Nathan Hale, the man who famously said that he only regretted having one life to give for his country.

What excuse do the rest of us have for letting our government wreak havoc on the world at large? I know that there are a lot of far right people on this site and I expect that I will get several nasty replies for this post. I hope that there are some like me out there that can see past the lies that our leaders are telling us and see the bloodshed and violence that our push for profits at any price are bringing to the world.

I would ask you to pick a subject that is important to the future of the world and then see where our government stands on that question. I will not try to tell you what to do or what to think. I would ask you to look inside your own heart and tell me if you think that we, the people, have did what we could to make the world a better and safer place for us all to live.

I am no expert on politics but it seems to me that a few simple changes could make our system work again. The way it is now is not what our founding fathers had in mind.
I list below a few suggestions;

1. Take away the right of corporations to give money to support people running for office or to give to political parties. The right to influence government should rest in the hands of ‘The People’ not the companies within the country.
2. There should never be any reason for our forces to be deployed without a declaration of war. When congress votes and declares a war, then send the troops and support them with everything the country has to offer.
3. Force the TV and radio to give set amounts of time to the people who are running for office. If needed give a tax break to the stations to help defer the expense.
4. Any church that offers political advice or thoughts to the flock they are teaching should lose their tax status as a church and be classed as a political group.


OK, I know you think that the first line of this post is too much to take. But before you get your panties in a wad, give it a little thought. I am a veteran and I love this country as much as anybody on this site. I am trying to rouse you to do something to help stop it from being eaten alive by the big money.

If you have a better ideal of how to fix it, I would love to hear it.
mikey

I am not a fan of Timothy McViegh. I am not a fan because he went about it in the (edit to add: MOST) wrong of ways.

Edit to add also: I am really not sure anything that anyone does in America has any effect or affect any more. I am not a cynic (as I am not American), I just don't believe in current American politics or culture.

 

[rgraham666]

If you support our fearless leader and his unjust wars then you are walking that road too. You are just killing the people a little further from home then he did but it is the same path.
mikey

Ahem. Where did I ever say such a thing?

I damned Timothy McVeigh. I did not praise George Bush. Whom I regard as a spoiled brat, a rich man's kid who was bought the Presidency by people who knew he'd be a useful tool.

I'll spout one of my favourite aphorisms at you. "What you resist, you become." Think on that for a while.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

If Timothy McVeigh was dissatisfied with America, all he had to do was wait four years and there would be a whole new government. Blowing up the Federal Building in OKC was the work of a nutcase.
Sorry.

 

[Samandiriel]

He's dead. I don't think about him.

 

[jomar]

I hope you're yanking our chains to get a response. If not then you may support the tactics of the Taliban and the Iraqi insurgents, even though you are on a different side.

 

[CharleyH]

I hope you're yanking our chains to get a response. If not then you may support the tactics of the Taliban and the Iraqi insurgents, even though you are on a different side.

Wait a second. Isn't your statement a bit biased, Jo?

 

[rgraham666]

No Charley. He isn't.

It is not goals that make you good or evil. It isn't intentions. It's actions. Whether the action is tearing down ancient Buddhist statues, flying planes into the World Trade Centre or setting off a car bomb outside the Alfred P. Murragh building, it's the actions that reveal you for what you are.

As Robert A. Heinlein put it, "The worst villains in history had the best intentions."

 

[CharleyH]

No Charley. He isn't.

It is not goals that make you good or evil. It isn't intentions. It's actions. Whether the action is tearing down ancient Buddhist statues, flying planes into the World Trade Centre or setting off a car bomb outside the Alfred P. Murragh building, it's the actions that reveal you for what you are.

As Robert A. Heinlein put it, "The worst villains in history had the best intentions."

LOL, On this note I must fly. Good post, RG.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Sorry, but...

"oh, sure, let's fix this country by destroying a building and killing lots and lots of innocent people, not to mention children."

How the hell is that supposed to fix anything?

(btw, intimating that people support Bush just because they disagree with you is just downright silly, and it reduces your chances for being taken seriously around here)

 

[jomar]

Wait a second. Isn't your statement a bit biased, Jo?

What RG said. Terrorism is terrorism.

 

[CharleyH]

What RG said. Terrorism is terrorism.

Well it was a simple post on my behalf ...and an agreeable one. What is terrorism, really though? Sherry Hawk has something going on here and I know she wants to expand it.

 

[Misty_Morning]

Trying to not let my emotions get the best of me....but what the hell. Mikey, I think you are an asshole.


ETA: It's just my opinion, and I am entitled to it. Plus my opinion does not destroy property of end the lives of innocent people.

 

[Sherry Hawk]

Charley wants me to expand, so I'll try. (Charley: love ya, you sexy bitch)

I think that Timothy McViegh may have been right to do what he did; I think that he gave his life to stop the country from going down a wrong path. I would rank him up there with Nathan Hale, the man who famously said that he only regretted having one life to give for his country.

This is so wrong I won't even address it.

What excuse do the rest of us have for letting our government wreak havoc on the world at large?

You seem to forget this is supposed to be a democracy. No one person has the right to decide what our gov't does. Do I agree with much of it? Absolutely not. That doesn't give me the right to kill innocent people and destroy other's lives. To do so puts me on a par with the guy that killed all those students yesterday because he was unhappy - it's selfish in the extreme.

I know that there are a lot of far right people on this site and I expect that I will get several nasty replies for this post.

You haven't been around long enough to assume something so definitive. There aren't as many far-right people here as you think (and wtf would make you think that? It's an erotica site, ffs!)

Nasty replies? Highly likely, considering that you're expressing admiration for someone that most consider a terrorist.

I hope that there are some like me out there that can see past the lies that our leaders are telling us and see the bloodshed and violence that our push for profits at any price are bringing to the world.

If you actually took the time to get to know some of the regulars here, I think you would find that many feel the same you do. Accusing people of being republicans just because they disagree with you is not only silly, but isn't a great way to win friends and influence people. People disagree all the time...bet you've argued with your mom, your child, your best friend. It doesn't make them bad people, and it certainly doesn't make them "republicans," so just stop, ok?

I would ask you to pick a subject that is important to the future of the world and then see where our government stands on that question. I will not try to tell you what to do or what to think. I would ask you to look inside your own heart and tell me if you think that we, the people, have did what we could to make the world a better and safer place for us all to live.

I have my own issues I deal with every day. Do I advocate those things I see as problems? Abso-fucking-lutely. Anyone here who knows me can tell you that I do. I bring Native issues to people's attention constantly. I sponsor a drive for Pine Ridge at Christmas; I work for Leonard Peltier's release; I do work on the reserve...the list goes on and on. However, I am only one person.

There are others who do much the same thing with issues that are important to them...Impressive comes to mind immediately, but there are others.

Do I think we've made the world better during the current administration? No, but again, I am only one person, and again, I'm doing what I can. That's all anyone can ask of me.

OK, I know you think that the first line of this post is too much to take. But before you get your panties in a wad, give it a little thought.

"panties in a wad" is beyond insulting. Use it again, and I will refuse to reply or consider anything else you have to say.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Pure and utter balderdash!

In the strongest possible words, only an asshole and a mentally unbalanced one would think what Tim McV did as right. He was a terrorist of the worst kind, he killed innocent fellow Americans and children to satisfy his own delusions of grandeur.

 

[carverII]

Anyone that wonders if he was acting on any intentions other than self-possessed terrorism needs to go to Oklahoma City and walk around the little chairs at the memorial.

Taking innocent lives does not instill justice or cause in any way at all.

That goes for any act of terrorism anywhere in the world.

Oh and by the way.....I lived in Oklahoma for most of my life and was there when he blew the building up. He's no hero, activist, or martyr. Only a coward.