Waiters and cashier jobs are booming in America

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Meanwhile, middle class jobs continue to disappear overseas...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105...GF0X0Fv24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Service Sector Grows, Jobless Claims Fall

By ADAM GELLER, AP Business Writer 5 minutes ago

The nation's service sector grew more rapidly in December and the number of workers filing new claims for jobless benefits fell to the lowest level in five years, as the economy showed continuing resilience after last year's devastating hurricanes.

The Institute for Supply Management said Thursday its index of nonmanufacturing activity increased to 59.8 last month from 58.5 in November. The new figure was above the 59 reading forecast by analysts.

Also Thursday, the government reported that first-time jobless claims fell by 35,000 last week to 291,000, the lowest level in more than five years and a sign that labor markets are shaking off the effects of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.

"We're looking at the some positive expansion, solid growth in jobs and in general economic growth, and that's something we see continuing," said Jason Schenker, an economist at Wachovia Corp.

The two reports provide more evidence that the hurricanes took only a very limited and temporary toll on the national economy, even as they caused tremendous damage to the business climate in the Gulf states, he said.

He cautioned against putting too much emphasis on the jobless claims figure, noting it is just a weekly number that often proves highly volatile. The week measured by the figure will not be included in the widely anticipated December payrolls figure scheduled for release Friday morning.

But, taken together with generally declining readings in recent weeks, it shows the

The service sector's growth in December marked the 33rd straight month of its expansion.

A reading of 50 and above points to a growing service sector, while a figure below that signals contraction. The index, which has averaged 60.1 over the past year, fell as low as 53.3 in September when businesses were struggling to deal with sharply higher energy prices after Hurricane Katrina.

But those concerns have diminished to some extent, even though still-high energy prices are continuing to cause increases in prices and product surcharges, said Ralph G. Kauffman, chairman of the ISM's survey committee.

"The overall indication in December is continued economic growth in the non-manufacturing sector with a cautiously optimistic outlook as we enter 2006," he said in a written release.

The pickup in growth reflects faster growth in new orders received by service-sector companies, and in business activity, ISM said. A measure of employment in the sector also ticked up.

Of the 17 industries tracked by the report, 11 reported increased activity in December versus 12 in November. They include entertainment, business services, retail trade, finance and banking, insurance, communication, utilities, public administration, health services, other services and transportation.

Overall, the report points to growth that is quite healthy, despite continued concerns about prices, Schenker said. He cautioned against putting too much emphasis on the jobless claims figure, noting it is just a weekly number that often proves highly volatile. The week measured by the figure will not be included in the widely anticipated December payrolls figure scheduled for release Friday morning.

Stocks were mixed following release of the reports. In late morning trading, the Dow fell 8.16, or 0.08 percent, to 10,871.99. The S&P 500 lost 1.56, or 0.12 percent, to 1,271.90, and the Nasdaq composite index gained 6.56, or 0.29 percent, to 2,270.02.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Put it all on nano, fusion, QC and asteroid mining/related technologies.
nano constructors will kill and eat all manufacturing jobs. You don't need many people to maintain or program that. That lesson got learned the hard way by all those A+ and MCSE certified fools that are now looking for work. Nanoconstructors are highly susceptible to sabotage, though. Could bring the whole industry crashing down. ESPECIALLY when it comes to mixing a drop of industrial espionage into the recipe.

Fusion and QC? Please tell me more 'bout that.

Jobs in space? Now there's a solution. It's hard to control nanites out there, what with the greater chance of enemy sabotage. That'll remain in the purview of physical labor for centuries. You can pretty much guarantee an employee's market there even in a global trade scenario. Nanoconstructors taking over that industry presents a fatal problem for industrialists in the form of sabotage or espionage.
 
Of the 17 industries tracked by the report, 11 reported increased activity in December versus 12 in November. They include entertainment, business services, retail trade, finance and banking, insurance, communication, utilities, public administration, health services, other services and transportation.

Waiters and cashiers are just one component of the service sector LT, and while they usually grow faster than other sectors, it has more to do with the fact that they are entry level jobs than any other factor.
 
catfish said:
Of the 17 industries tracked by the report, 11 reported increased activity in December versus 12 in November. They include entertainment, business services, retail trade, finance and banking, insurance, communication, utilities, public administration, health services, other services and transportation.

Waiters and cashiers are just one component of the service sector LT, and while they usually grow faster than other sectors, it has more to do with the fact that they are entry level jobs than any other factor.
Yes, and? Which one of those jobs above comes anywhere close to middle class level pay? You're not making anything resembling a case that middle class jobs are on the rise.
 
LovingTongue said:
Yes, and? Which one of those jobs above comes anywhere close to middle class level pay? You're not making anything resembling a case that middle class jobs are on the rise.

You are trying to make a case that the only jobs that are opening up are food service/retail , and that's not the case. Jobs in the other fields mentioned are better paying and are in the "middle class" category.
 
catfish said:
You are trying to make a case that the only jobs that are opening up are food service/retail , and that's not the case. Jobs in the other fields mentioned are better paying and are in the "middle class" category.
Nursing? Try comparing the number of those new jobs to the receptionist or clerical jobs.

When they say there were 2 million new jobs made last year, that's true but highly deceptive. We lost millions of middle class jobs and those are now being replaced mostly by poor class jobs with a very tiny smattering of nursing and teaching jobs thrown into the mix.

Meanwhile more college grads are unemployed now than high school dropouts.
http://www.edtechpost.ca/mt/archive/000518.html
 
LovingTongue said:
Nursing? Try comparing the number of those new jobs to the receptionist or clerical jobs.

When they say there were 2 million new jobs made last year, that's true but highly deceptive. We lost millions of middle class jobs and those are now being replaced mostly by poor class jobs with a very tiny smattering of nursing and teaching jobs thrown into the mix.

Meanwhile more college grads are unemployed now than high school dropouts.
http://www.edtechpost.ca/mt/archive/000518.html

Listen, I won't argue that more high paying jobs are produced than low paying in the service sector, no point because there aren't. Clerical jobs don't pay as much as say nursing, but they are usually a major financial step up in comparison to cashier at WalMart.

The graph you linked is interesting. I wonder how much of that is from people with college degrees that won't take a job that's "beneath" them. I ran into a guy who is living off of his in-laws for 8 months because he can't find a job that he won't get "dirty" at.....
 
catfish said:
Listen, I won't argue that more high paying jobs are produced than low paying in the service sector, no point because there aren't. Clerical jobs don't pay as much as say nursing, but they are usually a major financial step up in comparison to cashier at WalMart.

The graph you linked is interesting. I wonder how much of that is from people with college degrees that won't take a job that's "beneath" them. I ran into a guy who is living off of his in-laws for 8 months because he can't find a job that he won't get "dirty" at.....
Perhaps that is a valid point. If he took the job then he will never get back into his previous field. Tech employers rarely hire back a techie who spent time at Mickey D's during a slump.
 
LovingTongue said:
Perhaps that is a valid point. If he took the job then he will never get back into his previous field. Tech employers rarely hire back a techie who spent time at Mickey D's during a slump.

Interesting, I am not in the tech field, so I don't know. He is not a tech guy, he was a pharmaceutical rep, so finding a sales job is not exactly rocket science.
 
catfish said:
Interesting, I am not in the tech field, so I don't know. He is not a tech guy, he was a pharmaceutical rep, so finding a sales job is not exactly rocket science.
Unless your employer is looking for recent experience. It's kinda odd that a pharmaceutical rep can't get a pharmaceutical rep job... are they disappearing, too? :confused:
 
LovingTongue said:
Unless your employer is looking for recent experience. It's kinda odd that a pharmaceutical rep can't get a pharmaceutical rep job... are they disappearing, too? :confused:

There have been some cutbacks, but frankly, there needed to be some. Too many reps, they got crazy in the late 90's, and some of the rules concerning wining and dining doctors have changed. As to who I was talking about, I think he is fucking lazy.
 
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