Understanding Submission

[Stella_Omega]

Sometimes we have to be, when it's for their own good

Those cocks aren't going to suck themselves!

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Those cocks aren't going to suck themselves!

That reminds me of this

http://urlybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/snake.jpg

 

[bhndblueyes88]

As funny as the snake eating itself is too look at, it's kinda sad too. That snake signed his death warrant when he got his tail instead of his mouse

 

[Stella_Omega]

Somebody wanted to take a picture of a real ouroborous, and fed the tail to the snake. Then they had to take their snake to the vet, because a snake can't un-eat what it's eaten.

Still, it's a pretty good image for the unthinking nature of genital need... both the photo AND the circumstances.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

Somebody wanted to take a picture of a real ouroborous, and fed the tail to the snake. Then they had to take their snake to the vet, because a snake can't un-eat what it's eaten.

Still, it's a pretty good image for the unthinking nature of genital need... both the photo AND the circumstances.

>:[ That just makes me angry. Where's mah beatin' stick...someone gimme an address...

 

[MissHolly]

That's a wee bit dominating of you, Miss Holly!

LOL...I prefer to call it confidence!

 

[Ms_Lisa]

I agree with your definitions, and so do the Masters, and Mistresses, Doms and Dommes that I most respect, for what its worth.

My Lady mentor, Mistress Lisa, has a sub, Anthony, and a slave, jeannie. The differences are very visible. Mistress Lisa is a nurturing, care-taking woman, and she cares for both her sub and slave like precious possessions. But the world revolves around her, and so do they. Anthony can argue with her, negotiate, change things-- as long as it's in her interest. jeannie has no such rights, and I have never seen her balk at anything Mistress Lisa tells her to do.



I know, right?

Response to this post by Stella:

Thank you, Stella, for regarding me as your "Lady mentor" ... a humbling honor, indeed!

That said, I will address your points and other related ones, which I have seen wafting about this thread. Excuse me if my post a bit wordy. I am not as cleverly succinct as many of you are.

Stella, Anthony does not "argue", as arguing is not acceptable. However, as my submissive he has more wiggle room for negotiations and discussion than does his slave sister jeannie. He can openly discuss and/or object, but I always have the last word, as you saw at the last Munch He can try my patience. My goal is not to change mine, but to inspire them to be their best selves. His virtues far out weigh his occasional dissent, so I accept him with his limitations.

For me, in my world of 24/7/365 D/s and M/s, the difference between submission and slavehood is the level of obedience and surrender. They both have the same intent, which is to bring me joy. However, jeannie is much more committed to relinquishing her personal authority over her world to me. They both have the same rights, it is just that my slave deliberately and joyfully waives them. This is one of the many beautiful attributes that qualifies her to be my slavegirl. I feel the need to add here, that her unconditional obedience was something that came with time and experience. It is not a blind trust. I feel that should never be expected.

In response to another comment on this thread:

It is hugely important for one to look at the fact that the physical can be separate from the mental and emotional ... thus the Dominant who enjoys the sensation of bottoming (in the way they wish to feel it) and the service top who submits to the control of the bottom. The D/s and M/s is defined more by the intent more than the action. In other words, one can separate the terms top from Dominant and bottom from submissive.

BTW, in an effort to help us all speak a common vocabulary, Jack Rinella published a book called "The Dictionary of Scene-Friendly Terms", which is a compilation of respected BDSM/Leather authors' definitions.

 

[Stella_Omega]

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BTW, in an effort to help us all speak a common vocabulary, Jack Rinella published a book called "The Dictionary of Scene-Friendly Terms", which is a compilation of respected BDSM/Leather authors' definitions.

Available in several places, evidently:
http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Dictionary+of+Scene-Friendly+Terms

 

[SweetApple8]

A relationship is very subjective to me

My opinions, and certainly not facts...also I admit that I did not read the link; the responses caught my attention immediately, so I may be risking redunancy or worse. It's a topic that does touch me so, given the above, apologies in advance if needed......

I appreciate, and learn from others' point of view. When I read something similar to "terminology" or "traits" of person in a relationship (albeit platonic, intimate; vanilla, D/s, same sex, etc...) I shake my head and disagree on the concept. Unless the list is introduced with key words such as "currently" and "most apply".

More importantly if two people fit in a relationship, the terminology is developed, exclusively, between only those two people. If confidently self aware, most don't identify their relationship with a person by a list of terms. That may be helpful to some in search of self awareness guidance, and I certainly understand and respect that. I have just never prescribed to it, simply because I believe(d) that I'd be setting myself up for disappointment if I thought 100% compliance was necessary.

If healthy and happy minded at the moment, I see no harm in a list of traits, softened by an understanding of a continuum along those defined traits. And that the continuum will change. A "duh" for me now, but as a teen..........? I will continue to change. The possibility of the alternative would disappoint me. I'd grudgingly accept a negative trait popping up here or there, but would hopefully look forward to, an improvement, somewhere, maybe?

Bueller..........?

 

[goodsonformom]

I like this thread.......