Underage mention in the past

[TimDEnchanter]

Actually actually, the federal law says "purchase or public possession".

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/23/158

"The Secretary shall withhold 10 per centum of the amount required to be apportioned to any State under each of sections 104(b)(1), 104(b)(3), and 104(b)(4) [1] of this title on the first day of each fiscal year after the second fiscal year beginning after September 30, 1985, in which the purchase or public possession in such State of any alcoholic beverage by a person who is less than twenty-one years of age is lawful."

There is a grandfather clause there that allowed some exceptions for 18-20s who had already turned 18 before the age limit was raised, but AFAICT that's only of historical interest now.

Nope. At least two states I frequently travel to have "21" purchase and "18" possess and consume laws. Wisconsin has a "21" purchase law... But..

(From the Wisconsin Dept of Revenue)

Can children be in a bar with their parents?
Yes. Persons under age 21 may be on licensed premises, if they are with their parents, guardians, or spouses of legal drinking age; but this is at the discretion of the licensee. Sec. 125.07(3), Wis. Stats.

Can an underage person possess and consume alcohol beverages on licensed premises?
Yes. Persons under age 21 may possess and consume alcohol beverages if they are with their parents, guardians or spouses of legal drinking age; but this is at the discretion of the licensee. The licensed premises may choose to prohibit consumption and possession of alcohol beverages by underage persons. (Sec. 125.07(1), Wis. Stats.)

According to Wikipedia -- which I know is usually a less reliable source than an Ivy League Universty Law School -- "In some states, no restriction on private consumption is made, while in other states, consumption is only allowed in specific locations, in the presence of consenting and supervising family members, as in the states of Colorado, Maryland, Montana, New York, Texas, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.

"Some states even allow persons under 21 years of age to drink alcohol in public places, such as in Ohio, Texas, Massachusetts and Louisiana as long as the parent or guardian consents to it and is the one that buys the alcohol and is at least 21 years old. The act also does not seek to criminalize alcohol consumption during religious occasions..."

 

[alohadave]

I think the way around that is simple; have the over 21 party buy the alcohol and have them drinking in a private residence.

Illegal? Yes. But not against LE rules.

In some states minors can consume alcohol legally in their home if their parents serve it. It's considered something that parents can do as part of their customs.

Providing alcohol to minors as part of a 'safe haven' is illegal many places.

 

[alohadave]

Jaywalking with Mommy Dearest

I'm sort of the baddest of the badasses here.

Have them do it in Massachusetts. The fine for the first offense is $1. $2 for the second offense. That's if you can even find a cop that would bother writing out a ticket for it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Nope. At least two states I frequently travel to have "21" purchase and "18" possess and consume laws. Wisconsin has a "21" purchase law... But..

I was responding to your statements about the wording of the federal Act ("sales"). I have no idea how Wisconsin law reconciles with that, and that wasn't what I was commenting on.

 

[TimDEnchanter]

I was responding to your statements about the wording of the federal Act ("sales"). I have no idea how Wisconsin law reconciles with that, and that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I tried to go to law school, and did well on the LSAT. But because my mother and father were married -- to one another no less -- when I was conceived, I was deemed unfit to practice law. So this is just the view of a 'Merikan who has been to most of these United States.

Federal law accounts for very little. Nearly every law that a normative person will encounter is a state law. While there are many similarities there are also many differences in interpretation -- some are bizarre, famously the State of Florida once declared a living person to be "legally dead" so his lifetime contract with the state could be voided.

To me, a non-lawyer, If I can buy a beer at a street festival and hand it to my 17-year old offspring who drinks it, said "under-age" person is in public possession of and consuming an alcoholic beverage. If we chat with a local police officer who is providing crowd control and assistance while said offspring is consuming the beer, we are doing it "notoriously." And if nobody objects it is legal.

Nobody bothers to take idiotic, archaic, or unenforceable laws off the books. They are just ignored. In different places it's illegal to pet a wild bear... To yell at hermit crabs... Drink Coke in a town that accepted a fancy new sign from Pepsi... To wear orange... To drive a motorized carriage down a public street without being preceded by a flagman (who has a red lantern at night)... To have a "hamburger bun" haircut... To wear baggy clothes...

Funny situations occur after laws are struck down by the courts. In one jurisdiction a law that forbade anal sex was struck down... For gay people... The ruling the law conflicted with was narrowly tailored to prevent anti-homosexual discrimination... So... Technically if you were gay, butt lovin' was okay... No word on if it's only half-okay for bisexuals... So make sure you always have a party of four for sex.

 

[AchtungNight]

The law can be weird and messed up, I know. For example do you know some people interpret the law to mean you can’t eat meat?

 

[SimonDoom]

I tried to go to law school, and did well on the LSAT. But because my mother and father were married -- to one another no less -- when I was conceived, I was deemed unfit to practice law. So this is just the view of a 'Merikan who has been to most of these United States.

Federal law accounts for very little. Nearly every law that a normative person will encounter is a state law. While there are many similarities there are also many differences in interpretation -- some are bizarre, famously the State of Florida once declared a living person to be "legally dead" so his lifetime contract with the state could be voided.

To me, a non-lawyer, If I can buy a beer at a street festival and hand it to my 17-year old offspring who drinks it, said "under-age" person is in public possession of and consuming an alcoholic beverage. If we chat with a local police officer who is providing crowd control and assistance while said offspring is consuming the beer, we are doing it "notoriously." And if nobody objects it is legal.

Nobody bothers to take idiotic, archaic, or unenforceable laws off the books. They are just ignored. In different places it's illegal to pet a wild bear... To yell at hermit crabs... Drink Coke in a town that accepted a fancy new sign from Pepsi... To wear orange... To drive a motorized carriage down a public street without being preceded by a flagman (who has a red lantern at night)... To have a "hamburger bun" haircut... To wear baggy clothes...

Funny situations occur after laws are struck down by the courts. In one jurisdiction a law that forbade anal sex was struck down... For gay people... The ruling the law conflicted with was narrowly tailored to prevent anti-homosexual discrimination... So... Technically if you were gay, butt lovin' was okay... No word on if it's only half-okay for bisexuals... So make sure you always have a party of four for sex.

The law concerning the minimum age at which one can drink alcohol, consume alcohol, and purchase alcohol, is state law. Each state is entitled to have its own law on the subject.

In the mid-1970s, state minimum drinking ages varied widely from state to state between 18 and 21. In the late 1970s, the increasing prominence of the anti-drunk driving movement caused some states to raise their minimum ages voluntarily.

Then in 1984 the federal government passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act. This law did not strike down contrary state laws, but it required states to raise their minimum drinking ages to 21 or forfeit certain highway funds. So, naturally, the states, not wanting to lose their funds, generally raised their minimum ages. But there remain variations, and it's still true to say that federal law does not absolutely criminalize the purchase, possession, or consumption of alcohol by people under 21. It's indirectly coerced most states to adopt laws that are consistent with its requirements, but you are correct that state law actually governs what individuals can and cannot do with regard to alcohol. Alcohol use is still primarily governed by state law (except in matters of interstate commerce or use on lands governed by the federal government, like National Parks, Washington D.C., and tribal lands).

 

[jehoram]

Going back to the original topic, here's a quote from "Our Family's Little Secret:

"All my previous boyfriends had been shitty lovers. I'd started sleeping with guys when I was fourteen, which was possible because my parents really didn't give a damn about me and let me do whatever I wanted."

That went through without a hitch. It just mentioned that sex happened, without describing it.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I tried to go to law school, and did well on the LSAT. But because my mother and father were married -- to one another no less -- when I was conceived, I was deemed unfit to practice law. So this is just the view of a 'Merikan who has been to most of these United States.

Why this precludes you from law school, I have a clue. Are you the product of incest? Was your mother a minor at the time? Give me more than I can't go to law school because your mother and father were married when you were conceived.

 

[TimDEnchanter]

Why this precludes you from law school, I have a clue. Are you the product of incest? Was your mother a minor at the time? Give me more than I can't go to law school because your mother and father were married when you were conceived.

Double entendre -- "a word or phrase that is open to two interpretations, one of which is usually risqué or indecent". A person who is born to unmarried parents is a "bastard". A second definition of "bastard" is "a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person". Not being a "bastard" I was not permitted to attend law school (a joke, not true). (Definitions by Dictionary.com)

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Double entendre -- "a word or phrase that is open to two interpretations, one of which is usually risqué or indecent". A person who is born to unmarried parents is a "bastard". A second definition of "bastard" is "a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person". Not being a "bastard" I was not permitted to attend law school (a joke, not true). (Definitions by Dictionary.com)

Ah, I get it. I may be a slow wit, but have some wit.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Not to be picky, but wasn't everyone underage in the past at some point? Just a question, maybe a rhetorical question, unless someone cares to set me straight on the issue.

 

[lc69hunter]

Just read an EV story this morning that specifically mentioned 17-18 year old women in a current setting. I was surprised it got thru the censors. Maybe 17 is legal in the UK.

 

[alohadave]

Just read an EV story this morning that specifically mentioned 17-18 year old women in a current setting. I was surprised it got thru the censors. Maybe 17 is legal in the UK

Age of consent/legal age doesn't matter. It's a site rule.

 

[SimonDoom]

Just read an EV story this morning that specifically mentioned 17-18 year old women in a current setting. I was surprised it got thru the censors. Maybe 17 is legal in the UK.

What Alohadave said. There is no connection between the actual age of consent for real people in the real world and the legality of story content. None. Zippo. Nada. Purge that idea. This is a site rule, pure and simple.

 

[lc69hunter]

What Alohadave said. There is no connection between the actual age of consent for real people in the real world and the legality of story content. None. Zippo. Nada. Purge that idea. This is a site rule, pure and simple.

Like I said, I am surprised it got thru the censors

 

[SimonDoom]

Like I said, I am surprised it got thru the censors

"Censors" is just Laurel, and she has to review 75-100 stories per day. It's not surprising things get through.

 

[Bamagan]

"Censors" is just Laurel, and she has to review 75-100 stories per day. It's not surprising things get through.

According to the skalds, she has two robotic ravens who assist her: Pedocatcher and Snuffsniffer. But even they aren't infallible.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Why does one sniff snuff?

According to the skalds, she has two robotic ravens who assist her: Pedocatcher and Snuffsniffer. But even they aren't infallible.

 

[ruddygore]

Why does one sniff snuff?

You get a short term rush from the nicotine.

 

[Djmac1031]

Why does one sniff snuff?

How many snuffs could a snuff sniffer sniff if a snuff sniffer could sniff snuff?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I have no idea, no idea a'tall. But you know, yes, you do.

How many snuffs could a snuff sniffer sniff if a snuff sniffer could sniff snuff?

 

[Bamagan]

How many snuffs could a snuff sniffer sniff if a snuff sniffer could sniff snuff?

If once a snuff sniffer sniffs some o' that snuff,
Said sniffer declaims, "One sniff is enough!"
The handler, however, has to be tough,
And force that ol' sniffer to huff and to puff.
One snuff, two snuff, red snuff and blue snuff,
The sniffer then sniffles and tries to be gruff,
"I'll not be content to sniff one more snuff!"
"And I'll not condone any more of your guff!"
Cracking her knuckles, the handler gets rough.
With a smack and a crack and a whack to the cuff,
Ol' sniffer gets planted flat onto its duff.
At the close of the day it ends with a chuff,
The ol' sniffer gets finally to sniffle some muff.

 

[Djmac1031]

If once a snuff sniffer sniffs some o' that snuff,
Said sniffer declaims, "One sniff is enough!"
The handler, however, has to be tough,
And force that ol' sniffer to huff and to puff.
One snuff, two snuff, red snuff and blue snuff,
The sniffer then sniffles and tries to be gruff,
"I'll not be content to sniff one more snuff!"
"And I'll not condone any more of your guff!"
Cracking her knuckles, the handler gets rough.
With a smack and a crack and a whack to the cuff,
Ol' sniffer gets planted flat onto its duff.
At the close of the day it ends with a chuff,
The ol' sniffer gets finally to sniffle some muff.

Eat your heart out, Dr. Suess.

 

[Bamagan]

Eat your heart pussy out, Dr. Suess?

FIFY.