Underage mention in the past

[Euphony]

I think the way around that is simple; have the over 21 party buy the alcohol and have them drinking in a private residence.

Illegal? Yes. But not against LE rules.

We have a morality standard to uphold here.

 

[Djmac1031]

We have a morality standard to uphold here.

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It'd be pretty hysterical actually if a site that freely allows stories about incest and Non Con had an issue with underage drinking .

In my Jenna series, the MMC has, on more than one occasion, bought some wine coolers for the two 19 year old female characters he's involved with.

I've never had a problem getting that past any screenings.

Which is why I suggested it as a solution to the legal drinking age problem.

 

[jaF0]

I think the way around that is simple; have the over 21 party buy the alcohol and have them drinking in a private residence.

Illegal? Yes. But not against LE rules.

That may depend on how literally you interpret the site guidelines:

"Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States."​

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines



The picture in post 27 is a violation also.

 

[lovecraft68]

Mentioning "I'd lost my virginity to my male/female teacher when I was 14" is probably OK, particularly if the character mentions it not being their choice

Yes, lit has time and again made it clear describing underage rape is just fine.

 

[Euphony]

That may depend on how literally you interpret the site guidelines:

"Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States."​

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines



The picture in post 27 is a violation also.

Jaywalking with Mommy Dearest

I'm sort of the baddest of the badasses here.

 

[Djmac1031]

That may depend on how literally you interpret the site guidelines:

"Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States."​

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines



The picture in post 27 is a violation also.

Just like everything else we debate about here, I suppose it depends on the story itself and just how blatantly it flaunts breaking the rules.

In my story, the wine coolers wasn't to get the girls drunk and take advantage of them.

They were having a nice day at a lake where drinking was allowed on the beach, and they just wanted a six pack to enjoy while there.

Other than that it barely figured into the story.

Now I suppose, given the context of the story we're discussing here, the Admin could indeed have an issue with a scene where an over 21 adult buys alcohol for an 18 year old then explicitly uses it to get that person drunk enough to take sexual advantage.

I personally wouldn't write anything along those lines.

I'm merely offering suggestions at thus point for the OP to modify their story and at least get away from the whole 14 year old thing (definite Red Flag) and adjust things enough to keep the tale within site regulations.

 

[KeithD]

I haven't known any mention of alcohol use causing a rejection at Literotica.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

That may depend on how literally you interpret the site guidelines:

"Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States."​

https://www.literotica.com/resources/content-guidelines

Easy solution to that: set the story in the UK where the drinking age is five...

(you have to be 18 to purchase booze, or 16 now to have it purchased on your behalf with a meal in a pub or restaurant.)

The age of consent in the UK is 16, but used to be 21 for gay sex, with 21 persisting longer in the Army and in Northern Ireland. I wrote a story where characters had been both of Lit age but engaging in illegal underage sex, having also engaged in legal of-age sex which couldn't be mentioned on Lit for being under-age. Did my head in!

 

[jaF0]

Easy solution to that: set the story in the UK where the drinking age is five...

If you take site rules literally, that wouldn't help since the site is based in the U.S. and our laws apply to content.

 

[Katie_Mae]

Writing a story in which an adult is taking part in a normal, legal activity is not the same as advocating for someone in a foreign country to do the thing, even if it breaks their laws.

Eg me writing a story about an 18 year old going out clubbing (perfectly normal and legal here and where the story is set) is not the same thing as me writing an instructional manual for how young adults in the US can get alcohol.

The latter only should be considered advocating for people to engage in an illegal activity.

 

[KeithD]

Time out. I've not seen any form of alcohol use as a site reason for story rejection. Don't go there needlessly without evidence that it is.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I don't think any state in the United States has alcohol consumption legal before 21. I don't believe its been where anyone between 18 and 21 can booze for over 30 years. You can always use the Wayback machine and set it in the 70s.

Purchase of alcohol under 21 is illegal in every US state (but not Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands where it's still 18) because the federal government used highway funding as leverage. But quite a few states do permit under-age consumption in some form or other. Some of those are narrow exceptions e.g. for religious ceremonies, some are broader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._history_of_alcohol_minimum_purchase_age_by_state

That may depend on how literally you interpret the site guidelines:

"Works that advocate for readers to engage in any real life (non-fictional) activity that is illegal in the United States."​

The site doesn't seem to take the position that depiction = advocacy. There are several categories here that wouldn't exist if it did. Those guidelines are also a bit murky about matters covered by State laws, which may be legal in some parts of the USA and illegal in others.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Time out. I've not seen any form of alcohol use as a site reason for story rejection. Don't go there needlessly without evidence that it is.

Likewise. Indeed, I've seen Lit stories depicting drug use including MDMA, marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, and I don't recall ever hearing of a rejection for that.

 

[Katie_Mae]

If you take site rules literally, that wouldn't help since the site is based in the U.S. and our laws apply to content.

I have written a story in which an American 18 year old gets drunk in a pub in the UK, it's specifically noted that being American, being able to drink alcohol at a pub at age 18 is a novelty.
As per a (correct) literal interpretation of the site's rules, this is allowed.

Nowhere does it state we can't write stories depicting things that are illegal in the US. It just says we can't advocate for people to actually do them in real life. Depicting illegal acts is fine as long as they are not forbidden by another content guideline. As others have stated, there are some categories specifically for users to depict things which are illegal in the US (non con and incest as examples).

 

[KeithD]

An act in a story being illegal for any particular reason isn't in and of itself a reason for story rejection here at Literotica. This is another false limiter not to pursue.

 

[AchtungNight]

I don't think any state in the United States has alcohol consumption legal before 21. I don't believe its been where anyone between 18 and 21 can booze for over 30 years. You can always use the Wayback machine and set it in the 70s.

Growing up in the 1990s in East Texas, a substantial portion of our high school senior class would spend their weekends in Louisiana due to the 18 year old drinking age. Not sure if LA still has that low a drinking age, but…

 

[ElectricBlue]

I think the way around that is simple; have the over 21 party buy the alcohol and have them drinking in a private residence.

Illegal? Yes. But not against LE rules.

The drinking age in America has nothing whatsoever to do with the Lit age policy. Why do people keep bringing it up, as if it's relevant? It's not relevant, not one bit.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Candy's Dandy but Liquor's Quicker.

The drinking age in America has nothing whatsoever to do with the Lit age policy. Why do people keep bringing it up, as if it's relevant? It's not relevant, not one bit.

 

[TimDEnchanter]

I don't think any state in the United States has alcohol consumption legal before 21. I don't believe its been where anyone between 18 and 21 can booze for over 30 years. You can always use the Wayback machine and set it in the 70s.

The federal act withholding highway taxes to states who did not raise the "drinking age" is actually worded "sales" to persons under 21. Several US states allow possession and consumption -- even in public places -- by ADULTS aged 18 to 21.

Lit has never to my knowledge had an issue with criminal behavior. Look at the number of murders committed in the LW area. It just cannot be for sexual titillation. (And sometimes 100% consensual sex gets kicked back for being too titillating as well.)

 

[Willpkirk]

Hmmm.

I Don't think the whole thing of age of consent is the issue.

A quick google search shows that in the Majority of states the age is actually 16, while I know over here its 17 (Northern Ireland is fucking weird ok the rest of the UK its 16 but here its 17......smh).

The problem comes from ADULT CONTENT.

To perform within the adult entertainment sector you have to be 18 AND all films have to have it clear that all depiction are between between people over 18,

Think about it you wont ever have 2 18 year old's pretending to be 16 in porn, it will always be spelt out that they are over 18 in the "film"

as writing is probably considered under the same vein as film, I think it makes that it tracks that we cant write about our MC's thinking back to when they had sex under 18. wouldn't fly in film format so wont (correctly IMO) fly in written format.

 

[MillieDynamite]

My dad talks about the father of a girl he dated, giving his 10-year-old daughter shots of bourbon. He reported the family to DHS in Colorado, where he lived at the time, and broke up with the 18-year-old daughter of the idiots he was dating. DHS reported to Dad that it wasn't against the law as long as they didn't abuse her or let her drink to excess. After all, they are her parents. But he told them, "They get her dunk and make fun of her, isn't that abuse?" They said they'd look into it. But he didn't think they did.

The federal act withholding highway taxes to states who did not raise the "drinking age" is actually worded "sales" to persons under 21. Several US states allow possession and consumption -- even in public places -- by ADULTS aged 18 to 21.

Lit has never to my knowledge had an issue with criminal behavior. Look at the number of murders committed in the LW area. It just cannot be for sexual titillation. (And sometimes 100% consensual sex gets kicked back for being too titillating as well.)

 

[TimDEnchanter]

Hmmm.

I Don't think the whole thing of age of consent is the issue...

as writing is probably considered under the same vein as film, I think it makes that it tracks that we cant write about our MC's thinking back to when they had sex under 18. wouldn't fly in film format so wont (correctly IMO) fly in written format.

US law pertaining to "depictions" of sexual activities of minors is -- like all other US laws -- convoluted. Federal law, which controls the internet, clearly states that records pertaining to photographs of real persons engaged in sexual activity must be kept. But there are also local laws and politically ambitious district attorneys who will misappropriate public money to fight a losing legal battle to build a political base and try to move up the food chain.

Literotica is a privately held business, Laurel and Manu have the right to set whatever rules make sense for them. If I have a coming-of-age story I don't submit it here. (Two vowels and a number...) I'm fine with that.

What annoys me is the ease with which readers can misidentify stories they dislike as having violated Literotica rules when they have not. But I understand the reality, the owners must show that they take the rules as posted seriously and they don't have the time -- or likely the inclination -- to read every word of every submission. The fact that the bots pick out numbers isn't even an issue... An author famously had a story rejected over a "twelve-year-old bottle of Scotch" (whisky)... Just don't use numbers.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Oh, boy, that's ridiculous, isn't it?

The fact that the bots pick out numbers isn't even an issue... An author famously had a story rejected over a "twelve-year-old bottle of Scotch" (whisky)... Just don't use numbers.

And just how did that Scotch even survive to be twelve? I have a friend who murders bottles of Scotch so fast, he's a serial Scotch killer.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The federal act withholding highway taxes to states who did not raise the "drinking age" is actually worded "sales" to persons under 21. Several US states allow possession and consumption -- even in public places -- by ADULTS aged 18 to 21.

Actually actually, the federal law says "purchase or public possession".

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/23/158

"The Secretary shall withhold 10 per centum of the amount required to be apportioned to any State under each of sections 104(b)(1), 104(b)(3), and 104(b)(4) [1] of this title on the first day of each fiscal year after the second fiscal year beginning after September 30, 1985, in which the purchase or public possession in such State of any alcoholic beverage by a person who is less than twenty-one years of age is lawful."

There is a grandfather clause there that allowed some exceptions for 18-20s who had already turned 18 before the age limit was raised, but AFAICT that's only of historical interest now.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Hmmm.

I Don't think the whole thing of age of consent is the issue.

The age of consent (in any country) has nothing to do with Lit's eighteen year line in the sand. That's a site POLICY matter, set by the site, not set by any law.

Why do people keep confusing this issue?