Um. Do you think Romney's win in the debate...

[JohnnySavage]

Hmmm. Some of us remember the last Republican presidential candidate who campaigned as a moderate despite all the conservative support he was receiving, who denied that he favored a budget-busting tax cut for the wealthy, and who promised he would work with Democrats and heal the partisan divide in America.

Romney might actually be a moderate temperamentally, but the key point about him is that he doesn't believe in anything except 1) keeping his own taxes low and 2) getting elected. Everything else is unimportant to him, which is why I've been saying here for over a year that I don't expect a Romney presidency to do any more than, as Grover Norquist said, sit there and sign legislation sent to him by the Tea Party House.


As for the question of whether the debate changed anything, probably not. Almost everyone has their mind made up already, and there's literally no example of a challenger coming from behind to win the presidency as a result of winning debates. Besides, the jobs report has got everyone thinking of substance rather than style again.

Now, if Obama chooses to unilaterally disarm in the final two debates, including the town hall format where he ought to have the clear advantage over someone with the emotional intelligence of HAL 9000, I might want to revisit this opinion.

That presupposes that there will be a Republican super-majority in the Senate; which isn't going to happen.

Which, in turn, makes all the grand proclamations of policy interesting, but unrealistic. Neither side will have the votes in Congress to push through the agenda they are running on.

 

[minn]

Romney kicked ass!!!

Somewhat of an easy win considering Obama had an impossible task in trying to refute the facts. Obama's facial expressions demonstrated what a thin skin arrogant and pompous individual he is. When will people wake up and realize he is one of the biggest phonies in American politics? Also, what has he done for blacks in America??? Your time is up Mr. President!

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Somewhat of an easy win considering Obama had an impossible task in trying to refute the facts. Obama's facial expressions demonstrated what a thin skin arrogant and pompous individual he is. When will people wake up and realize he is one of the biggest phonies in American politics? Also, what has he done for blacks in America??? Your time is up Mr. President!

very well said

 

[MrBates2]

...makes a difference?

God yes it made a huge difference. I just can't wait for the second debate, I want to see if indeed, Obama can speak without a telepromoter.

 

[Cade Is Here]

...makes a difference?

Were you drunk or high while watching it?

And were you wearing your new white hood?

 

[Wrong Element]

It made a difference.

Not only that, but it made a big difference.

I know some here have indicated that the new numbers negate the debate,

But in actuality, I think they are more of an exclamation point to the debate as Democrats celebrate and independents wonder exactly what they are celebrating over...

Remember, last weekend we were talking about those amazing Obama polls, several of the key swing states being at or near double-digit leads in favor of the President just in time to kick off the early voting in several states. Where are they now?

What do you care? The polls all lie, right?

 

[Sweetandsinful]

Romney, Obama...; does it really matter? They're in a neck-in-neck race to be a puppet/figurehead in service to lobbyists, special interests, and so forth. Not only are there two other branches to the government that take a big part in setting policy, but the President is also just the most visible face of the executive branch. A great deal of any President's policy is shaped by the advice of his cabinet, and whoever funded his campaign.

Banks and corporations will win either way, and everyone else can just grab some lube and their ankles... (Seriously; is anyone here actually pretending that the candidates are honest, or have any conviction whatsoever? Hasn't most of the world learned by now that politicians can't be trusted?)

I love this post

 

[islandman]

Romney, Obama...; does it really matter? They're in a neck-in-neck race to be a puppet/figurehead in service to lobbyists, special interests, and so forth. Not only are there two other branches to the government that take a big part in setting policy, but the President is also just the most visible face of the executive branch. A great deal of any President's policy is shaped by the advice of his cabinet, and whoever funded his campaign.

Banks and corporations will win either way, and everyone else can just grab some lube and their ankles... (Seriously; is anyone here actually pretending that the candidates are honest, or have any conviction whatsoever? Hasn't most of the world learned by now that politicians can't be trusted?)

Should I move to Canada then?

 

[RjThoughts]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbhhkfslyY1r5jqq2o1_500.jpg

 

[CHNOPS]

This is the problem with using replacement moderators. I bet now they'll end the moderator lock-out.

 

[RjThoughts]

This is the problem with using replacement moderators. I bet know they'll end the moderator lock-out.

It's a shame Jon Stewart couldn't moderate, or Seth MacFarlane. They'd have thrown BULLSHIT flags so many times...

 

[Cade Is Here]

hum...socialist are unable to do anything. just like government workers. oh and union workers are just as lazy.

point is, socialist are mentally fucked up people

Is that why seanh is always high?

 

[RjThoughts]

Off topic:

The most successful sports leage, the National Football League, is the MOST SOCIALIST organization in America!!!!


Now back to our regularly pissing matches

 

[Cade Is Here]

It's a shame Jon Stewart couldn't moderate, or Seth MacFarlane. They'd have thrown BULLSHIT flags so many times...

Jon Stewart is an idiot, could be why.

 

[RjThoughts]

Jon Stewart is an idiot, could be why.

He's more intellectually stimulating than what the right can come up with. Dennis Miller? His shtick ran out when Monday Night Football shitcanned him!!

 

[jeninflorida]

Off topic:

The most successful sports leage, the National Football League, is the MOST SOCIALIST organization in America!!!!


Now back to our regularly pissing matches

but they have money, so that makes them anti socialist

 

[RjThoughts]

but they have money, so that makes them anti socialist

They don't have money,

They have THE money!! Well, what Vegas allows them to have.

</sarcasm>

 

[HAL_9000]

Romney "won"?

I watched that boring bullshite fest, and think that while both came off as lying scumbags, at least Obama's main factoid throughout the night stuck:

Romney's tax plan is simply a mathematical impossibility.

Saying that, I think the influences attempting to guide America are getting desperate.

I think Obama was purposely handed a recession. I think any and all attempts at economic recovery have been met with extreme resistance. I think the USA was, and is, being held hostage economically.

But we have proven we will carry on, regardless of the threats from the fascists that attempt to rule us.

They can't keep America down, ever. And the more they keep biting us like parasites, the more we will eventually eradicate them once and for all.

 

[Beco]

...makes a difference?

probably not, our dumb asses will still vote for the loser....

 

[JustaguyNJ]

Here is my plan

Ready?

Tax the upper crust; individuals AND corporations that earn more than $5 million a year an alternative minimum tax of 20%. That is it. 20%. And then watch us choke in money.

Easy right? Fuck to the hell no.

Problem is that the upper crust would much rather earn a billion, "donate" 25% of it to their choice of charities which are run and staffed by their otherwise unemployable families. And then claim another 20% in "business deductions" which when funneled through their companies subsidizes their upper-crust lifestyle. And they keep the rest lawfully in their bank accounts momentarily until those monies are spun into irrevocable trusts, tax-free bonds, more charities, and retirement savings accounts. You think Oprah Winfrey WANTS to give her money away as taxes when she can just educate unprivileged children in south africa and claim it as a deduction (while using her private jet to fly there and various other hot spots in the world AND using it for public relations purposes to enrich her brand even further)?

The problem is that anyone who wants to run for president needs the upper crust to finance their presidential campaigns. That is why the idiot whose name we have forgotten (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc) was run out of town so fast -- he was the first guy to MAKE his presidential campaign liquid on $10 contributions using the interwebz.

It is a hopeless cause really. But hey, go Obama!

 

[QueenLevitra]

Romney "won"?

I watched that boring bullshite fest, and think that while both came off as lying scumbags, at least Obama's main factoid throughout the night stuck:

Romney's tax plan is simply a mathematical impossibility.

Saying that, I think the influences attempting to guide America are getting desperate.

I think Obama was purposely handed a recession. I think any and all attempts at economic recovery have been met with extreme resistance. I think the USA was, and is, being held hostage economically.

But we have proven we will carry on, regardless of the threats from the fascists that attempt to rule us.

They can't keep America down, ever. And the more they keep biting us like parasites, the more we will eventually eradicate them once and for all.

Yup. X2