U.S. most dangerous place to give birth in developed world

[IrezumiKiss]

He's such a predictable tool, of course he would show up to this thread. Not even going to address his common stupidity.

He's the last one that should have an opinion on women's health, wonder how many seedlings he left sprouting overseas after coming back 'home'.

That would've depended on how many cans of corn he was rationed and then had hoarded for the week's furlough.

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[Que]

......

 

[Que]

Yeah, that was a total fail. Once again, deflecting from the true reasons.

The "true reasons" for poor gestational health and increased mortality risk would be what? Be specific.

 

[LtCol_Kilgore_Trout]

Que, I remember back when the Progressive Left here was lecturing us on how obesity was a measurement of poverty because "those people" could not afford nutritious food, therefore that had to bulk up on crap food like ham hocks and collard greens.





I think my blood sugar might be off. I'm hankering for some ham and beans...

 

[oggbashan]

Decades ago I did a statistical analysis with a geographic tool that a software company was trying to sell to health and social care organisations.

They said it would map relative deprivation so that resources could be better targetted at locations with the greatest need.

What it showed was that demand was highest where resources already existed such as town and city centres, and that deprivation increased the further people were from such centres. So rural areas were 'deprived' because they didn't have access to public transport, doctors, hospitals, schools etc.

In West Kent where the rural areas included the stockbroker belt of very expensive housing, the software showed bright red for 'deprived'. They didn't have access to public transport. The poor locals had to use their Rolls-Royces, Porsches and Ferraris to drive to see a doctor. Their children couldn't walk to school. They went to private boarding schools or the au pair or chauffeur took them to day school.

The software wasn't measuring deprivation at all. It was measuring only distance from facilities, not whether people had means of accessing those facilities.


What is the point of my statements above?

The USA is a large country with considerable distances between conurbations. Rural America does not have instant access to medical care or maternity services which could be several hours' drive away. That makes rural America dangerous for pregnant women...

There are other issues as well but 'dangerous'? It depends on what is being measured.

 

[girlsmiley]

I saw a documentary a few years back about how Yanks have more cesarean sections than any other country in the world.

I’m not saying that it could have something to do with it, but I’m guessing it has a lot to do with it. The risks are much higher than natural births, and often, doctors in hospitals have never delivered a baby in their lives. I still believe midwives are the way to go, because that’s their job. And cesarean sections should only be carried out for medical reasons and emergencies.

My two cents.

 

[Saint Peter]

Please stop having babies. All of you. They smell bad and grow up to be untitled little fucks.

There are too many humans on this rock. The earth is dying.

Watch porn.

Don't have babies.

 

[Que]

I saw a documentary a few years back about how Yanks have more cesarean sections than any other country in the world.

I’m not saying that it could have something to do with it, but I’m guessing it has a lot to do with it. The risks are much higher than natural births, and often, doctors in hospitals have never delivered a baby in their lives. I still believe midwives are the way to go, because that’s their job. And cesarean sections should only be carried out for medical reasons and emergencies.

My two cents.

Lawyers.

There is an increased risk of mortality for any woman having what is termed a "vbac". Vaginal birth after cesarean. Some pre-paid maternity plans require the woman who has previously had a cesarean undergo another one rather than risk the liability of a vac. They schedule a cesarean for a week or so before the anticipated delivery date. As if two sets of internal scarring does not come with its own risks. Because lawyers.

The highest rates for malpractice insurance in the United States amongst doctors are for obstetric surgeons.

Most of the poor whether they are in rural or Urban settings qualify for Medicaid. Which is our version of National Health Services, except the services are provided for by the same doctors theoretically that anyone else goes to accept it doesn't pay as well so not every doctor accepts Medicaid payments. Obamacare increase the amount of money going to the states to pay for Medicaid however that still didn't do anything about the problem of actual access to healthcare where few doctors accept it. The doctors that do accepted are all fun fairly recent arrivals who have received their medical training elsewhere where it's less expensive to acquire a medical degree. They still have to pass qualifications here and be certified in order to work in the United States though.

To It's point, There's an actual lack of doctors proximate to anyone in rural location in there are significant travel times to someone who's going to take Medicaid. Statistically the poor do not receive neonatal care. Even when it is available and paid for by Medicaid. Women with drug problems tend to not go and get proper neonatal care because they are concerned about being lectured by the doctors. All of that also increases mortality rates. But mortality rates are very much tied to poverty and the biggest factor as I have said is obesity, which is found disproportionately amongst the poor. It's ridiculous that anyone is disputing that.

 

[Sean]

I've said for years the US has a third world health care system.

 

[HAL_9000]

US has a great health care system. (For those well-off)

 

[Que]

I've said for years the US has a third world health care system.

Because you ignore our government-subsidized obesity epidemic amongst our large and growing entitlement class. You also ignore our ethnic proportion differences. You also ignore that the United States is importing far larger swaths of the actual third world patients (of the legal and illegal varieties) into our country both in actual numbers and as a percentage of population than any other nation in the world.

No serious person argues against the fact that for those with stellar insurance plans or cash, we have the best medical outcomes in the world.

 

[Luk]

Because you ignore our government-subsidized obesity epidemic amongst our large and growing entitlement class. You also ignore our ethnic proportion differences. You also ignore that the United States is importing far larger swaths of the actual third world patients (of the legal and illegal varieties) into our country both in actual numbers and as a percentage of population than any other nation in the world.

No serious person argues against the fact that for those with stellar insurance plans or cash, we have the best medical outcomes in the world.

A country is only as rich as it's poorest residents.

 

[girlsmiley]

I’ll have a look for that documentary.

Generations of misinformed mothers out there. Doctors who have no idea what the fuck they’re doing. A recipe for disaster.

 

[girlsmiley]

Here you go ladies.

https://youtu.be/q7tAa7BdD24

 

[Que]

A country is only as rich as it's poorest residents.

Golf clap.

Nice virtue-signaling. We have spent over 20,000,000,000,000 on various programs to eliminate poverty.

Which is why, a few oil-sheikdoms aside, we are the richest country in history. There are also some countries s with lots and lots of white-people privilege with high IQs and good work ethics and large natural resource assets that are decent places to live.

Anything you subsidize you get more of. We have heavilly subsidized poverty and so we have lots and lots of it. The amount of money that we have spent on the war on poverty is enough to give every man woman and child in America 50 large.

 

[Luk]

Golf clap.

Nice virtue-signaling. We have spent over 20,000,000,000,000 on various programs to eliminate poverty.

Which is why, a few oil-sheikdoms aside, we are the richest country in history. There are also some countries s with lots and lots of white-people privilege with high IQs and good work ethics and large natural resource assets that are decent places to live.

Anything you subsidize you get more of. We have heavilly subsidized poverty and so we have lots and lots of it. The amount of money that we have spent on the war on poverty is enough to give every man woman and child in America 50 large.

Got it. I'm glad that you agree with me that 45 giving farmers a giant bailout is terrible idea. Thanks!

 

[Que]

Got it. I'm glad that you agree with me that 45 giving farmers a giant bailout is terrible idea. Thanks!

Um. I said that yesterday. The farm bill has always been full of a lot of pork. Which is pretty much where the term pork comes from.

You should probably ask RDS for some sophomoric name-calling lessons. He and the totally not Rob sock puppets are excellent at coming up with catchy, derisive names with extra-salty homophobic, misogynistic, ableist, or racist flavors. I don't think 45 is going to get it unless of course you're saying it in Maxine Waters voice.

"Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie...."

 

[Luk]

Um. I said that yesterday. The farm bill has always been full of a lot of pork. Which is pretty much where the term pork comes from.

You should probably ask RDS for some sophomoric name-calling lessons. He and the totally not Rob sock puppets are excellent at coming up with catchy, derisive names. I don't think 45 is going to get it unless of course you're saying it in Maxine Waters voice.

"Impeach PhoTeeFie! Impeach PhoTeeFie!Impeach PhoTeeFie!Impeach PhoTeeFie!Impeach PhoTeeFie!Impeach PhoTeeFie!Impeach PhoTeeFie...."

You really are a disaster of a human being. Can't even have a conversation with you without you beating people over the head with your obsessions.

 

[girlsmiley]

Every single fucking thread.

Would you two just fuck off already? God.

 

[HAL_9000]

Every single fucking thread.

Would you two just fuck off already? God.

Twatcunts.

 

[jaF0]

There's a mortuary just down the street from our local county hospital and around the corner from the convalescent center.

 

[oggbashan]

There's a mortuary just down the street from our local county hospital and around the corner from the convalescent center.

Every doctor knows that eventually their patients will die. All they can do is delay the inevitable.

 

[someoneyouknow]

The issue of obesity is irrelevant to this. If anyone had bothered to read the story the reason for the surge in maternal mortality is because of negligence. Instead of implementing tried and proven standards, hospitals are trying to save a dime wherever they can.

Read the story of the woman who had to have a hysterectomy to stop her internal bleeding because procedures which would have prevented the bleeding weren't implemented.

This is about negligence and people not doing what they're paid to do.

 

[Dream59]

How does this break down as in how man deaths per the number of deliveries? What other countries were in the comparison and what were their number of deliveries? What did they use to decide if a country was developed or not? This information would have made the comment much more striking instead of making it political. The problem with making it political is that the deaths did not start less than 2 years ago so the trend must encompass a liberal administration.

 

[HAL_9000]

Face facts.

More women DIE in the USA in pregnancy than in other 1st world nations. (per capita)

This is evident. This is a symptom of our insane health system.