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Cheri
I'm not trying to start a fight with you at all, I'm just curious how defending myself against something false makes me sound neurotic. I think the whole accusation is neurotic myself, so I guess on the outside chance I do sound that way, neurosis begets neurosis.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you at all, I'm just curious how defending myself against something false makes me sound neurotic. I think the whole accusation is neurotic myself, so I guess on the outside chance I do sound that way, neurosis begets neurosis.
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Dixon Carter Lee said:
Yeah, but what if they have a bunk email addy? and what if they post from a community computer like at the library? I just think that making a guest register wouldn't accomplish much other than a wasting space for registered names that will not be used but for a few posts.
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Re: Cheri
So if no one has accused you of anything, why are you defending yourself?
Iris said:I'm not trying to start a fight with you at all, I'm just curious how defending myself against something false makes me sound neurotic. I think the whole accusation is neurotic myself, so I guess on the outside chance I do sound that way, neurosis begets neurosis.
So if no one has accused you of anything, why are you defending yourself?
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Blah Fucking Blah Blah!
Shut The Fuck Up Please!
I KNOW Someone Is Gonna Say Something Rude & Nasty To Me
PLEASE! Troll MeI Would Love ThisDo It! PLEASE FUCKING DO IT!
I Would TOTALLY Love To Ignore Your Sorry Ass Posts!
Trolls FEED Off This SHIT! Whether They Start The SHIT Or It's Someone Else's SHIT.
I Say To YOU Deborah, Please! Just Do As You Threatened. Sit Back & Let Them Create Havoc And Manipulation.
I Thought I Wanted To Know. I Was WRONG!
IGNORE THE TROLLS, PUSTULES, FUCKHEADS AND TONGUECLENTCHERS!!!!!
If You Cannot Do This, Then Use Them For Entertainment purposes ONLY. It May Feed Their Sick Hunger, But You Will At Least Get To Devour The SHIT Too
Shut The Fuck Up
Please!I KNOW Someone Is Gonna Say Something Rude & Nasty To Me
PLEASE! Troll Me
I Would Love ThisDo It! PLEASE FUCKING DO IT!I Would TOTALLY Love To Ignore Your Sorry Ass Posts!
Trolls FEED Off This SHIT! Whether They Start The SHIT Or It's Someone Else's SHIT.
I Say To YOU Deborah, Please! Just Do As You Threatened. Sit Back & Let Them Create Havoc And Manipulation.
I Thought I Wanted To Know. I Was WRONG!
IGNORE THE TROLLS, PUSTULES, FUCKHEADS AND TONGUECLENTCHERS!!!!!
If You Cannot Do This, Then Use Them For Entertainment purposes ONLY. It May Feed Their Sick Hunger, But You Will At Least Get To Devour The SHIT Too
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I Have An Itchy Caps Lock Finger ~Grins Widely~
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DaMn ThAt's COLD!
Boo Hoo
I Have A TROLL For A Husband!
He Is So Totally Out Of His Mind That I Just Want To STRANGLE His Thick, Cumpulsively Lying Neck!
I'll Get Over It. I'll Just IGNORE HIM
Boo Hoo
I Have A TROLL For A Husband!
He Is So Totally Out Of His Mind That I Just Want To STRANGLE His Thick, Cumpulsively Lying Neck!
I'll Get Over It. I'll Just IGNORE HIM
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Yeah, sure MP. Deborah is a psychotic head-hunting troll who hurts people like the troll that attacked NS & NSW. That isn't exactly what I said.
This is what I meant. I meant that Deborah and her little head-hunting that she does on this board for Patryn and her multiple personalities isn't any different than trolling.
She has accused Iris of being Patryn. She has backed up her accusations with links to threads. Yes, it is possible to infer that Iris is Patryn. It is also possible to infer that Laurel is Patryn, or that Madame Pandora is Patryn or that I am Patryn. Heck, for all we know Deborah could be Patryn. Even comparing IPs is a waste of time if the "Patryn" troll has a dial up with multiple IPs. If Iris is Patryn and Deborah can prove it, fine. Inferring that Iris is a troll by linking to threads is circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove that Iris is a troll or that Iris is Patryn. I don't know what country ya'll live in, but the one I'm in theoretically runs on the principle that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now circumstantial evidence merely shows that the Accused Might be guilty. The corollary is that the Accused Might be innocent. When this is the case the responsible judgement one ought to arrive at is that the Accused is innocent until more concrete evidence can be brought forward. Contrive innuendo does not count as concrete evidence. Thus far, that's all I can see. Therefore, I generally don't give credence to anything Deborah says about trolls and who they are. Unless she is a hacker and hacks Literotica for the logged IPs, then she has no way of proving anything.
I arrived at this conclusion due to the Dillinger Debacle. Deborah accused Dillinger of voter fraud to get his stories to the top of the lists. She made very convincing arguments and she backed them up with numbers that she had tracked from the voting and movement on the top lists. This is very convincing, but in the end it's all circumstantial evidence. Dillinger might have done it, but then again, so could any number of Dillinger Fans. Someone else could have done it without Dillinger's knowledge or approval.
In the end Deborah's accusations hurt Dillinger. The result of her accusations was that a number of people became incensed and "voted down" Dillinger's stories. I admit that I was one of those incensed sheep that followed Deborah without thought and "1'd" him. I am deeply ashamed of myself for it and I later went back and gave him three fives, hoping that it would erase the effects of my one. Yes, I know how to commit voter fraud. I don't do it. Go ahead and track my stories, they rarely move up or down.
My entire point is that I think Deborah ought to act with some more responsibility with her accusations of who is trolling. The results of her accusations have hurt people in the past. Not everyone who trolls is Patryn and not everyone who posts with a similar posting style is Patryn. I think that Deborah has a good inference of who may be trolling NS & NSW. I think she even has good circumstantial evidence to back it up. I just don't think she should level her accusations until she can prove it. Deborah isn't about responsibility and personal accountability. When she does that she acts just like the trolls do.
Take this situation with Iris. I am not familiar with the little fued and I have no intention of climbing into the middle of it. But this is my uninformed take on the situation. Iris started posting on this board not so long ago and after a few days? weeks? Deborah abruptly (in my estimation) accuses Iris of being Patryn. I have no idea why she did that and after reading the referential threads I still had no idea. Deborah and Iris exchanged nasty emails and then resorted to uneasy tension on the board. It is bad enough that Deborah attacks Iris whenever she gets the notion, but now MP is doing it as well? No, Iris isn't perfect, but how do you know Iris is the troll? What if she's innocent? Can you justify hurting an innocent person simply because Deborah inferred that the innocent person was a troll? After all, she has a history of doing just that already.
I'm not perfect, don't care to be because perfection is boring. I do, however, like to think that on occasion I use my brain. This is one of those occasions. If Deborah can prove her accusations, then jump right out with it, nothing wrong with cleaning disgusting riff raff from the board. If Deborah can't back her accusations up with solid evidence, then she is in the position where she can hurt innocent people. I would think that she, as the intelligent woman that she is, would act responsibly.
Anyway, after considering my own behavior, I will refrain from using inflammatory words like "little witch hunts" and dismissive nicknames.
This is what I meant. I meant that Deborah and her little head-hunting that she does on this board for Patryn and her multiple personalities isn't any different than trolling.
She has accused Iris of being Patryn. She has backed up her accusations with links to threads. Yes, it is possible to infer that Iris is Patryn. It is also possible to infer that Laurel is Patryn, or that Madame Pandora is Patryn or that I am Patryn. Heck, for all we know Deborah could be Patryn. Even comparing IPs is a waste of time if the "Patryn" troll has a dial up with multiple IPs. If Iris is Patryn and Deborah can prove it, fine. Inferring that Iris is a troll by linking to threads is circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove that Iris is a troll or that Iris is Patryn. I don't know what country ya'll live in, but the one I'm in theoretically runs on the principle that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now circumstantial evidence merely shows that the Accused Might be guilty. The corollary is that the Accused Might be innocent. When this is the case the responsible judgement one ought to arrive at is that the Accused is innocent until more concrete evidence can be brought forward. Contrive innuendo does not count as concrete evidence. Thus far, that's all I can see. Therefore, I generally don't give credence to anything Deborah says about trolls and who they are. Unless she is a hacker and hacks Literotica for the logged IPs, then she has no way of proving anything.
I arrived at this conclusion due to the Dillinger Debacle. Deborah accused Dillinger of voter fraud to get his stories to the top of the lists. She made very convincing arguments and she backed them up with numbers that she had tracked from the voting and movement on the top lists. This is very convincing, but in the end it's all circumstantial evidence. Dillinger might have done it, but then again, so could any number of Dillinger Fans. Someone else could have done it without Dillinger's knowledge or approval.
In the end Deborah's accusations hurt Dillinger. The result of her accusations was that a number of people became incensed and "voted down" Dillinger's stories. I admit that I was one of those incensed sheep that followed Deborah without thought and "1'd" him. I am deeply ashamed of myself for it and I later went back and gave him three fives, hoping that it would erase the effects of my one. Yes, I know how to commit voter fraud. I don't do it. Go ahead and track my stories, they rarely move up or down.
My entire point is that I think Deborah ought to act with some more responsibility with her accusations of who is trolling. The results of her accusations have hurt people in the past. Not everyone who trolls is Patryn and not everyone who posts with a similar posting style is Patryn. I think that Deborah has a good inference of who may be trolling NS & NSW. I think she even has good circumstantial evidence to back it up. I just don't think she should level her accusations until she can prove it. Deborah isn't about responsibility and personal accountability. When she does that she acts just like the trolls do.
Take this situation with Iris. I am not familiar with the little fued and I have no intention of climbing into the middle of it. But this is my uninformed take on the situation. Iris started posting on this board not so long ago and after a few days? weeks? Deborah abruptly (in my estimation) accuses Iris of being Patryn. I have no idea why she did that and after reading the referential threads I still had no idea. Deborah and Iris exchanged nasty emails and then resorted to uneasy tension on the board. It is bad enough that Deborah attacks Iris whenever she gets the notion, but now MP is doing it as well? No, Iris isn't perfect, but how do you know Iris is the troll? What if she's innocent? Can you justify hurting an innocent person simply because Deborah inferred that the innocent person was a troll? After all, she has a history of doing just that already.
I'm not perfect, don't care to be because perfection is boring. I do, however, like to think that on occasion I use my brain. This is one of those occasions. If Deborah can prove her accusations, then jump right out with it, nothing wrong with cleaning disgusting riff raff from the board. If Deborah can't back her accusations up with solid evidence, then she is in the position where she can hurt innocent people. I would think that she, as the intelligent woman that she is, would act responsibly.
Anyway, after considering my own behavior, I will refrain from using inflammatory words like "little witch hunts" and dismissive nicknames.
Hey Iris
I know you read this because I see you working some of your other identitities. You know damn well I'll answer my own questions if you don't. But I love listening to you lie! You should do an audio lie and post it.
KillerMuffin, I responded to the "Dillinger issue" which you bring up over and over and over and over and over and over. I'd be glad to discuss it but not unless he participates in the discussion and he has shown no inclination to do so.
I know you read this because I see you working some of your other identitities. You know damn well I'll answer my own questions if you don't. But I love listening to you lie! You should do an audio lie and post it.
KillerMuffin, I responded to the "Dillinger issue" which you bring up over and over and over and over and over and over. I'd be glad to discuss it but not unless he participates in the discussion and he has shown no inclination to do so.
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Finally, an actual accusation.
It's the first one that I've seen, Deborah actually accusing Iris of something, please correct me if I'm wrong.
But Iris you see, has been calling attention to her own guilt, as a matter of fact, she has an obsession with Deborah. In the "short" time she's been here, she has used Deborah's name in ALL of the following posts.
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Well, Deborah, I'm just waiting for you to say it was me, since you've been hinting at that on just about every other thread that I post on. I'm also waiting for you to say I've posted as someone else before. So go ahead and do it. I seem to have the Mark of Deborah on me, and you won't be satisfied until you try to run me off the boards, so take your best shot. FYI I don't care. I'm not the troll and I only post as me, except a few times for the sake of humor.
You're the one all wrapped up in this, no one else really seems to give a damn unless they've either been trolled themselves or they are just curious. I think the only one losing credibility here is you, Deborah, not KillerMuffin like you said.
04-16-2001 12:30 PM
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Oh great, Dixon. I don't have my e-mail readily available, thanks for giving Deborah some more fuel.
04-16-2001 12:41 PM
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Cheyenne, people can make up lies all they want. I could post a Cheyenne Shaved Her Head thread, and you can be damn sure some people would believe it. You can't stop people from lying. That doesn't make it right, but it's a fact of life. So what are you going to do? {shrugs}
I mean, look at Deborah. People just pick targets. If you don't want it done to you, seal yourself in your house so no one even knows who you are and then maybe, just maybe, they won't make shit up.
04-16-2001 10:19 PM
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No, MP, in answer to your comment and Purp's question, I was saying that Deborah was making up shit, like she is want to do. Why I have no idea. But I do know I don't need this, and I didn't come here for this.
[Edited by Iris on 04-17-2001 at 08:56 AM]
04-17-2001 09:58 AM
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I didn't say I was leaving. I just said I don't need this, and it's not what I came here for. Although if you're going to keep this immature cat and mouse game up, I might not have time in my day to visit much any more.
Deborah, I thought this site was meant for those 18 or older. Yahoo Kids is the other way.
04-17-2001 11:08 AM
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Thanks, MP. You know, even though I don't usually agree with what you say or how you present it, I do respect you for being straightforward. So, a straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer.
I'm here because the bulk of the people and topics interest me.
It's this, to quote you "questioning of me" that I don't need. It doesn't contribute to anything, and it doesn't serve any purpose than to cause a schism on the boards. Those you are with me, those who are with you and Deborah, and those who don't know or don't care. It's not constructive, and me throwing defenses around and you throwing conjecture around doesn't accomplish anything.
Can I ask you, though, how am I a "drama queen"? I didn't post a why me thread, I posted a what have I done thread. If I've someone given a wrong impression or offended someone here, I wanted them to let me know.
Sure, I've posted a few semi-personal things that have gone on in my life, but so have you. So has just about everyone. So are they drama kings and drama queens too? What about your "personal pride" thread? It was about you, asking for opinions about feelings you had. I liked it. It raised a good point. But, by your own standards that would make you a drama queen, wouldn't it?
So, if all of this doesn't stop, I don't feel I need to be here because I won't enjoy it. It's not that I think anyone is picking on me, hell, I'm Suspect #45 in Deb's book, that's nothing new, but neither do I need to stay if it's no longer something I enjoy or am interested in. And I don't enjoy being accused of something that I don't even know anything about.
04-17-2001 02:54 PM
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Could someone tell me, please, what it is that some people on the boards perceive that I've done? I think I can guess at most of it, but I don't understand where it's originating from. Seems Deborah thinks I am someone else, or have posted as someone else before, and thinks I'm the troll. Where is this coming from? She hacked up some old thread last night - the suicide one - that was supposed to have something to do with me, but unless I missed something really important, I just don't get the connection at all. Not one bit.
I've tried to treat everyone here respectfully. MP and I had one arguement, but I did my best to disagree with what she was saying and not get personal about it.
The weird thing is, no one has asked me personally about it. I know my e-mail address isn't posted, but if someone where to post a message on the board telling me to e-mail them, I certainly would.
So back to the matter at hand...what have I done, and why do you think that?
04-17-2001 11:00 AM
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Geez, I suppose the thought that I'm not the troll never occurred to you, huh? And you talk about playing keep away with a single brain cell. Better get yours back from Deborah. I mean, if she's done using it.
04-17-2001 04:11 PM
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CB, you know I respect you, but do you honestly think Deborah's going to care? I don't think she perceives any of us as real.
I read the other thread too. I don't suffer from any mental disease or disorder, although I am beginning to wonder about my accuser. Paranoid schizophrenia comes to mind. And no, I'm not being jovial. It seems very possible right now.
04-17-2001 11:10 AM
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Deborah...
????
I don't get it. Sorry. Was that a sex before marriage thing?
04-14-2001 11:21 AM
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Sorry to butt in
I don't want to speak for CelestialBody. She obviously has her own views which may or may not be different than mine, and that's cool. I agree with some of what she said, so I'll add a little something to this if no one minds too terribly.
Here's what I perceive:
Deborah, I'll get to you first since your post is the most recent. I really haven't seen you outright whine about anything. I do see you as paranoid since you keep trying to unveil some great conspiracy, and every week it's another -I think this person is this other person- thread. Who cares but you? You either 1-genuinely believe it matters in which case you need to get out more because it's making you paranoid or 2-do it just to stir the pot a little. I don't think either one is very cool. I don't know anything about Patryn and by the sounds of things I don't really want to know any more than what's been posted bit by bit in the time I've been here, but I have seen you do some pretty cruel things to people because in your eyes they deserved it. Never mind privacy or respect. Wasn't Deborah in the Bible a judge? That isn't your role, sweetie. Let it go.
DCL-He isn't going to like this, and I don't really care. I could be all wrong but the guy strikes me as a fake. Not fake in that he isn't who he says he is, but fake in how he presents himself here. Every once in a while what I perceive to be the real DCL slips out and frankly when it does, he scares me. I think he has a big ego, but then claims to be nothing special, yet he still hangs it over people's heads that he "can't" post a picture of himself because he's semi-famous. I'd be willing to bet that (was it Sparky that said?) he still puts his pants on one leg at a time. I don't like the fact that he thinks what exasperates him has to exasperate everyone. But I don't have much contact with him so it's never really come up.
As far as you, CelestialBody, I haven't seen a bias in anything you say one way or the other. I've enjoyed your posts, and found many of them to be well thought out and rational. You can disagree without name calling and some of the other bullshit I've seen here, and walk away agreeing to disagree. You are probably what I perceive to be one of the more mature people on the boards, regardless of your age.
04-12-2001 09:14 PM
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Hey MP, over here
You say you don't like Deborah, but you're doing everything in your power to emulate her? What's up with that?
And who hijacked bratcat's thread seeking attention herself? Could it be, hmmm....you? Yeah, I think that's it.
I don't care for Deb too much, but at least most of what she posts is motivated by something. You're just plain old mean for no reason other than to be mean. Lovely person, you are. I'm sure you'll try to retort with some flame to piss me off, allow me to suggest you save your breath. Nothing you have to say matters to me, unless you attack someone unprovoked as seems to be your signature style.
04-07-2001 08:54 PM
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Deborah...
I don't agree with everything you say, but you're fun to have around most of the time. When you get a bug up your ass like this though, it takes over the whole board and quite honestly makes me want to avoid this place too. My choice, I know, but that's how I feel.
We do a good job of policing ourselves, why do you have to start a witch hunt every other week? I'm just wondering; it seems to cause more trouble than it's worth most of the time.
04-04-2001 09:58 AM
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Well gosh, MP, when did I become your scapegoat? Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to the pot, who seems to be calling you black. You posted on this thread too, you know.
As far as I've seen, Deborah seems to be the only one out to crack whatever "conspiracy" she thinks seems to exist here. I'm fine with her otherwise. I don't see why it matters anyway and why there has to be such an inquest about it, that's all. If there's someone else that's doing it, point them out to me and I'll happily eat my words with whatever condiments you'd like. It just stirs shit, that's all, and never really changes anything.
04-04-2001 12:49 PM
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Reading that Deborah thread kind of got me to thinking. I wasn't privy to anything Deborah "did" or didn't do so I don't know and don't really care if it's true or not.
But...how much privacy do you expect on the boards. What would be too much? Your first name? Your location? Or only what you choose to make known? I think the last one would be most people's answer.
As for me, I wouldn't care if someone posted my first name. It's pretty common, so it wouldn't really give anyone any real information about me. If they posted the city I live in, I'd be pretty irked though. Personally I try to limit my individual contact on the net because of past experience so I wouldn't want that given out. What I wouldn't want is someone deciding for me how much privacy I "deserved". Again, not saying Deborah or anyone else has actually done this here, but it's basically what happened to me. The guy I was corresponding with thought since I had started a relationship with him online I didn't "deserve" to just walk away when it wasn't working out because he needed an explanation - which I already thought I gave him. I had given him enough information (which was my fault) for him to find my phone number, and subsequently where I lived. Not a good situation.
How much information is too much for you? Is there any situation where you would try to find someone?
03-19-2001 11:14 AM
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Deborah, I couldn't agree more. It's like one person had them and then the damn things just started showing up all over hell the next day. Even the guys have them now.
I don't like them not because they take forever to load, I'm on cable so that's not a problem. The reason I don't like them is that some of the servers you guys uploaded them to frankly SUCK and if one doll doesn't want to load, it slows down the loading time for the whole rest of the page and every other page that you posted on. Annoying as hell.
03-10-2001 12:25 PM
It's the first one that I've seen, Deborah actually accusing Iris of something, please correct me if I'm wrong.
But Iris you see, has been calling attention to her own guilt, as a matter of fact, she has an obsession with Deborah. In the "short" time she's been here, she has used Deborah's name in ALL of the following posts.
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Well, Deborah, I'm just waiting for you to say it was me, since you've been hinting at that on just about every other thread that I post on. I'm also waiting for you to say I've posted as someone else before. So go ahead and do it. I seem to have the Mark of Deborah on me, and you won't be satisfied until you try to run me off the boards, so take your best shot. FYI I don't care. I'm not the troll and I only post as me, except a few times for the sake of humor.
You're the one all wrapped up in this, no one else really seems to give a damn unless they've either been trolled themselves or they are just curious. I think the only one losing credibility here is you, Deborah, not KillerMuffin like you said.
04-16-2001 12:30 PM
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Oh great, Dixon. I don't have my e-mail readily available, thanks for giving Deborah some more fuel.
04-16-2001 12:41 PM
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Cheyenne, people can make up lies all they want. I could post a Cheyenne Shaved Her Head thread, and you can be damn sure some people would believe it. You can't stop people from lying. That doesn't make it right, but it's a fact of life. So what are you going to do? {shrugs}
I mean, look at Deborah. People just pick targets. If you don't want it done to you, seal yourself in your house so no one even knows who you are and then maybe, just maybe, they won't make shit up.
04-16-2001 10:19 PM
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No, MP, in answer to your comment and Purp's question, I was saying that Deborah was making up shit, like she is want to do. Why I have no idea. But I do know I don't need this, and I didn't come here for this.
[Edited by Iris on 04-17-2001 at 08:56 AM]
04-17-2001 09:58 AM
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I didn't say I was leaving. I just said I don't need this, and it's not what I came here for. Although if you're going to keep this immature cat and mouse game up, I might not have time in my day to visit much any more.
Deborah, I thought this site was meant for those 18 or older. Yahoo Kids is the other way.
04-17-2001 11:08 AM
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Thanks, MP. You know, even though I don't usually agree with what you say or how you present it, I do respect you for being straightforward. So, a straightforward question deserves a straightforward answer.
I'm here because the bulk of the people and topics interest me.
It's this, to quote you "questioning of me" that I don't need. It doesn't contribute to anything, and it doesn't serve any purpose than to cause a schism on the boards. Those you are with me, those who are with you and Deborah, and those who don't know or don't care. It's not constructive, and me throwing defenses around and you throwing conjecture around doesn't accomplish anything.
Can I ask you, though, how am I a "drama queen"? I didn't post a why me thread, I posted a what have I done thread. If I've someone given a wrong impression or offended someone here, I wanted them to let me know.
Sure, I've posted a few semi-personal things that have gone on in my life, but so have you. So has just about everyone. So are they drama kings and drama queens too? What about your "personal pride" thread? It was about you, asking for opinions about feelings you had. I liked it. It raised a good point. But, by your own standards that would make you a drama queen, wouldn't it?
So, if all of this doesn't stop, I don't feel I need to be here because I won't enjoy it. It's not that I think anyone is picking on me, hell, I'm Suspect #45 in Deb's book, that's nothing new, but neither do I need to stay if it's no longer something I enjoy or am interested in. And I don't enjoy being accused of something that I don't even know anything about.
04-17-2001 02:54 PM
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Could someone tell me, please, what it is that some people on the boards perceive that I've done? I think I can guess at most of it, but I don't understand where it's originating from. Seems Deborah thinks I am someone else, or have posted as someone else before, and thinks I'm the troll. Where is this coming from? She hacked up some old thread last night - the suicide one - that was supposed to have something to do with me, but unless I missed something really important, I just don't get the connection at all. Not one bit.
I've tried to treat everyone here respectfully. MP and I had one arguement, but I did my best to disagree with what she was saying and not get personal about it.
The weird thing is, no one has asked me personally about it. I know my e-mail address isn't posted, but if someone where to post a message on the board telling me to e-mail them, I certainly would.
So back to the matter at hand...what have I done, and why do you think that?
04-17-2001 11:00 AM
Iris
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Geez, I suppose the thought that I'm not the troll never occurred to you, huh? And you talk about playing keep away with a single brain cell. Better get yours back from Deborah. I mean, if she's done using it.
04-17-2001 04:11 PM
Iris
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CB, you know I respect you, but do you honestly think Deborah's going to care? I don't think she perceives any of us as real.
I read the other thread too. I don't suffer from any mental disease or disorder, although I am beginning to wonder about my accuser. Paranoid schizophrenia comes to mind. And no, I'm not being jovial. It seems very possible right now.
04-17-2001 11:10 AM
Iris
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Deborah...
????
I don't get it. Sorry. Was that a sex before marriage thing?
04-14-2001 11:21 AM
Iris
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Sorry to butt in
I don't want to speak for CelestialBody. She obviously has her own views which may or may not be different than mine, and that's cool. I agree with some of what she said, so I'll add a little something to this if no one minds too terribly.
Here's what I perceive:
Deborah, I'll get to you first since your post is the most recent. I really haven't seen you outright whine about anything. I do see you as paranoid since you keep trying to unveil some great conspiracy, and every week it's another -I think this person is this other person- thread. Who cares but you? You either 1-genuinely believe it matters in which case you need to get out more because it's making you paranoid or 2-do it just to stir the pot a little. I don't think either one is very cool. I don't know anything about Patryn and by the sounds of things I don't really want to know any more than what's been posted bit by bit in the time I've been here, but I have seen you do some pretty cruel things to people because in your eyes they deserved it. Never mind privacy or respect. Wasn't Deborah in the Bible a judge? That isn't your role, sweetie. Let it go.
DCL-He isn't going to like this, and I don't really care. I could be all wrong but the guy strikes me as a fake. Not fake in that he isn't who he says he is, but fake in how he presents himself here. Every once in a while what I perceive to be the real DCL slips out and frankly when it does, he scares me. I think he has a big ego, but then claims to be nothing special, yet he still hangs it over people's heads that he "can't" post a picture of himself because he's semi-famous. I'd be willing to bet that (was it Sparky that said?) he still puts his pants on one leg at a time. I don't like the fact that he thinks what exasperates him has to exasperate everyone. But I don't have much contact with him so it's never really come up.
As far as you, CelestialBody, I haven't seen a bias in anything you say one way or the other. I've enjoyed your posts, and found many of them to be well thought out and rational. You can disagree without name calling and some of the other bullshit I've seen here, and walk away agreeing to disagree. You are probably what I perceive to be one of the more mature people on the boards, regardless of your age.
04-12-2001 09:14 PM
Iris
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Hey MP, over here
You say you don't like Deborah, but you're doing everything in your power to emulate her? What's up with that?
And who hijacked bratcat's thread seeking attention herself? Could it be, hmmm....you? Yeah, I think that's it.
I don't care for Deb too much, but at least most of what she posts is motivated by something. You're just plain old mean for no reason other than to be mean. Lovely person, you are. I'm sure you'll try to retort with some flame to piss me off, allow me to suggest you save your breath. Nothing you have to say matters to me, unless you attack someone unprovoked as seems to be your signature style.
04-07-2001 08:54 PM
Iris
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Deborah...
I don't agree with everything you say, but you're fun to have around most of the time. When you get a bug up your ass like this though, it takes over the whole board and quite honestly makes me want to avoid this place too. My choice, I know, but that's how I feel.
We do a good job of policing ourselves, why do you have to start a witch hunt every other week? I'm just wondering; it seems to cause more trouble than it's worth most of the time.
04-04-2001 09:58 AM
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Well gosh, MP, when did I become your scapegoat? Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to the pot, who seems to be calling you black. You posted on this thread too, you know.
As far as I've seen, Deborah seems to be the only one out to crack whatever "conspiracy" she thinks seems to exist here. I'm fine with her otherwise. I don't see why it matters anyway and why there has to be such an inquest about it, that's all. If there's someone else that's doing it, point them out to me and I'll happily eat my words with whatever condiments you'd like. It just stirs shit, that's all, and never really changes anything.
04-04-2001 12:49 PM
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Reading that Deborah thread kind of got me to thinking. I wasn't privy to anything Deborah "did" or didn't do so I don't know and don't really care if it's true or not.
But...how much privacy do you expect on the boards. What would be too much? Your first name? Your location? Or only what you choose to make known? I think the last one would be most people's answer.
As for me, I wouldn't care if someone posted my first name. It's pretty common, so it wouldn't really give anyone any real information about me. If they posted the city I live in, I'd be pretty irked though. Personally I try to limit my individual contact on the net because of past experience so I wouldn't want that given out. What I wouldn't want is someone deciding for me how much privacy I "deserved". Again, not saying Deborah or anyone else has actually done this here, but it's basically what happened to me. The guy I was corresponding with thought since I had started a relationship with him online I didn't "deserve" to just walk away when it wasn't working out because he needed an explanation - which I already thought I gave him. I had given him enough information (which was my fault) for him to find my phone number, and subsequently where I lived. Not a good situation.
How much information is too much for you? Is there any situation where you would try to find someone?
03-19-2001 11:14 AM
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Deborah, I couldn't agree more. It's like one person had them and then the damn things just started showing up all over hell the next day. Even the guys have them now.
I don't like them not because they take forever to load, I'm on cable so that's not a problem. The reason I don't like them is that some of the servers you guys uploaded them to frankly SUCK and if one doll doesn't want to load, it slows down the loading time for the whole rest of the page and every other page that you posted on. Annoying as hell.
03-10-2001 12:25 PM
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Sorry - didn't C&P this first bit in here.
KM, you're one of the few people who I pay attention to enough to respond to in-depth on this issue. You are in bold.
MP
Yeah, sure MP. Deborah is a psychotic head-hunting troll who hurts people like the troll that attacked NS & NSW. That isn't exactly what I said.
KM, I had no idea exactly what you said until I went back and reread your post. My post was made in GENERAL terms expect to those I named within it. You were not one of those people. I’m sorry if you feel I addressed you. Honestly, your previous post didn’t register all that much when I read it.
This is what I meant. I meant that Deborah and her little head-hunting that she does on this board for Patryn and her multiple personalities isn't any different than trolling.
You are entitled to hold this belief. I, for one, find that ridiculous. Among the many differences I see, there is one in particular. That being that if Deb posts something, everyone so inclined is able to roll their eyes and say “it’s just Deb being Deb.” The same way you see 15 Sparky threads and say “that’s just Sparky being Sparky.” If you want to call Deb a troll and say what she does is the same thing, go ahead. I think that’s just stupid.
She has accused Iris of being Patryn. She has backed up her accusations with links to threads. Yes, it is possible to infer that Iris is Patryn. It is also possible to infer that Laurel is Patryn, or that Madame Pandora is Patryn or that I am Patryn. Heck, for all we know Deborah could be Patryn. Even comparing IPs is a waste of time if the "Patryn" troll has a dial up with multiple IPs. If Iris is Patryn and Deborah can prove it, fine. Inferring that Iris is a troll by linking to threads is circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove that Iris is a troll or that Iris is Patryn.
I have never asked anyone to believe or not believe. In fact, on a previous thread, I stated CLEARLY that there was no absolute proof. Yes, it is all circumstantial evidence. This isn’t a court of law – it’s a bulletin board. I’m not trying to turn it into a court. Get off the Drumhead imagery. I really don’t give a shit if you or ANYONE believes what I do. I’m just not going to listen to Iris’ bullshit without slapping her in the face with what I believe to be the truth every so often. Several people who I speak to on a regular basis disagree with me on this issue. Ask any of them if I have DEMANDED they accept my view of things. I have not. I say the bitch is a fraud. And, as much as that may irk your sense of “justice” the fact remains that I could care less what you or anyone else thinks in this case. To me, she’s a fraud if you believe and she’s a fraud if you don’t believe. It’s all the same to me. If she decides to stay under this particular identity sometimes I won’t pay attention to it and sometimes I will. You have as much say in this as I have – one voice. Your opinion is noted, and I swear on a crown of thorns I bear you no ill will over it and I believe with all my heart you’re entitled to it. It has no bearing, however, on what I will or will not say and do.
I don't know what country ya'll live in, but the one I'm in theoretically runs on the principle that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Yes, and were I in a court of LAW and not one of opinion, this would probably matter to me in the slightest. I think what people lose track of here is that this is just a fucking BB. It doesn’t really MATTER if I fight with “Iris” or I don’t. It has as much lasting effect as two people bickering in a coffee shop. She’s not going to the gallows. Christ, she’s can’t even be banned from the site. All I’m saying is that her antics – as I believe them to be – piss me off. And I’m also saying that DEB has a right to verse her opinion. I also agree that you have the right to tell us both to fuck ourselves six ways from Sunday.
Now circumstantial evidence merely shows that the Accused Might be guilty. The corollary is that the Accused Might be innocent. When this is the case the responsible judgement one ought to arrive at is that the Accused is innocent until more concrete evidence can be brought forward. Contrive innuendo does not count as concrete evidence. Thus far, that's all I can see
See above.
Therefore, I generally don't give credence to anything Deborah says about trolls and who they are. Unless she is a hacker and hacks Literotica for the logged IPs, then she has no way of proving anything.
And I respect your right to this view.
I arrived at this conclusion due to the Dillinger Debacle. Deborah accused Dillinger of voter fraud to get his stories to the top of the lists. She made very convincing arguments and she backed them up with numbers that she had tracked from the voting and movement on the top lists. This is very convincing, but in the end it's all circumstantial evidence. Dillinger might have done it, but then again, so could any number of Dillinger Fans. Someone else could have done it without Dillinger's knowledge or approval.
Yes. I’ve said this many times on many different threads. The numbers were obviously manipulated in Dillinger’s favor. Occam's razor-esque logic pointed to it being him. In my opinion, logic was wrong in that case. I’ve apologized to Dillinger. I’ve admitted I was wrong. I will do the same for “Iris” should I come to feel differently, but I don’t think there’s a vesper’s chance on Mardi Gras that I’m wrong about the her little pouch of snake oil.
In the end Deborah's accusations hurt Dillinger. The result of her accusations was that a number of people became incensed and "voted down" Dillinger's stories. I admit that I was one of those incensed sheep that followed Deborah without thought and "1'd" him. I am deeply ashamed of myself for it and I later went back and gave him three fives, hoping that it would erase the effects of my one. Yes, I know how to commit voter fraud. I don't do it. Go ahead and track my stories, they rarely move up or down.
Another result of those accusations was that they opened up a discussion on the suspicious numbers we had all taken note of and allowed for Dillinger to defend himself. It brought him to the boards and it is probably the reason he’s an active part of the BB today. It’s also the reason I began speaking with him. Just because something is unpleasant doesn’t mean all of the outcomes will be negative.
I’m sorry you felt motivated by Deb to do something against your general nature, but that isn’t Deb or anyone else’s fault but yours. I would bet your integrity is stronger now because of the breach. It certainly is as you display it here now.
My entire point is that I think Deborah ought to act with some more responsibility with her accusations of who is trolling.
Deb doesn’t have to be responsible to anyone but herself. She doesn’t owe you or anyone else anything. The whole point of “free speech” is that it is just that – FREE. That means I can say that I think Iris is a sham. BUT, if I were going to dither on points with you, I would say it’s interesting that you accept that “trolls” cannot be held responsible for what they say, but Deb should be. This would belie your belief that she’s nothing more than a troll, wouldn’t it?
The results of her accusations have hurt people in the past.
My view of this is well documented, and many people dislike it. People only get hurt by that which they allow themselves to be hurt by.
Not everyone who trolls is Patryn and not everyone who posts with a similar posting style is Patryn.
I agree 100%.
I think that Deborah has a good inference of who may be trolling NS & NSW. I think she even has good circumstantial evidence to back it up. I just don't think she should level her accusations until she can prove it. Deborah isn't about responsibility and personal accountability. When she does that she acts just like the trolls do.
I disagree 100%.
Take this situation with Iris. I am not familiar with the little fued and I have no intention of climbing into the middle of it. But this is my uninformed take on the situation. Iris started posting on this board not so long ago and after a few days? weeks? Deborah abruptly (in my estimation) accuses Iris of being Patryn.
There’s a little jump here. You see, this is where many people just don’t get it. Deb doesn’t sit around all day going “hmmmm….were is Patryn? Is that one Patryn? What about that one?”
It doesn’t work that way. People do stuff to make you suspicious. There is SOMETHING that draws attention to itself. And so you watch it. And you notice more stuff. And, eventually, something happens which allows you to make up your mind. I honestly have NO CLUE what made up Deborah’s mind on the issue, I only know what made up mine and it had NOTHING to do with Deb.
I have no idea why she did that and after reading the referential threads I still had no idea. Deborah and Iris exchanged nasty emails and then resorted to uneasy tension on the board.
I have no clue if Iris and Deb exchanged emails. I would guess no big time, but that’s just my hunch, and I wouldn’t bet a nickel on it.
It is bad enough that Deborah attacks Iris whenever she gets the notion, but now MP is doing it as well? No, Iris isn't perfect, but how do you know Iris is the troll? What if she's innocent? Can you justify hurting an innocent person simply because Deborah inferred that the innocent person was a troll? After all, she has a history of doing just that already.
Just as you say Iris doesn’t have to justify her identity, I don’t have to justify JACK to you.
Right here is where I have to ask you to back the fuck up. Some of these other idiots who post here can snicker and call me some mindless ROBOT who kisses Deb’s ass and follows her mindlessly. I could give a shit. But, you sit back for a minute and see if that sits with the rest of your view of me. Do I follow ANYTHING I don’t agree with? Do I ever BALK at going against the grain? No.
I’m not a fucking SheeP and I’m not part of a fucking flock. Even Deb, much as I enjoy her, does not control my opinion for DICK. I like YOU, KM, have I ever backed down from an argument with you? Or WS? Or DarlingBri? Or LAUREL? Or ANY of the other people I enjoy trading quips with or talking to? No.
You want to argue my opinion, that’s fine. But then don’t LUMP me in as an appendage of Deb’s.
I came to my own conclusions about Iris based on my own fucking mind. Did I share my theories with Deb? Sure I did. The same way I would share them with anyone else who noticed odd things about her. I’ve also discussed her with people who disagree with me.
I'm not perfect, don't care to be because perfection is boring. I do, however, like to think that on occasion I use my brain. This is one of those occasions
The inference being that I do not and have not? You stated quite clearly above that you don’t have all that clear a picture of what’s going on OTHER THAN THAT FACT that there isn’t enough proof to satisfy you and you don’t like the way Deb or I have handled the situation. If you think that means you’ve used your brain more than I have, then all I can say is: screw you. I respect your right to DISAPPROVE of me. I got no beef with that. But don’t tell me you THINK and I don’t.
If Deborah can prove her accusations, then jump right out with it, nothing wrong with cleaning disgusting riff raff from the board. If Deborah can't back her accusations up with solid evidence, then she is in the position where she can hurt innocent people. I would think that she, as the intelligent woman that she is, would act responsibly.
I think you assume a lot.
Anyway, after considering my own behavior, I will refrain from using inflammatory words like "little witch hunts" and dismissive nicknames.
As is your right.
Go for it, babe. Give Deb hell. Give ME hell.
You are one opinion. I am one opinion. You say the little bitch is innocent until proven guilty. I say she satisfies the burden of proof in my head. And I call her a fraud, and I’ll call her any other number of dismissive nicknames I so choose.
No. She doesn’t have to defend herself. Which is convenient, after all, because she can’t.
MP
[Edited by Madame Pandora on 04-18-2001 at 11:04 AM]
KM, you're one of the few people who I pay attention to enough to respond to in-depth on this issue. You are in bold.
MP
Yeah, sure MP. Deborah is a psychotic head-hunting troll who hurts people like the troll that attacked NS & NSW. That isn't exactly what I said.
KM, I had no idea exactly what you said until I went back and reread your post. My post was made in GENERAL terms expect to those I named within it. You were not one of those people. I’m sorry if you feel I addressed you. Honestly, your previous post didn’t register all that much when I read it.
This is what I meant. I meant that Deborah and her little head-hunting that she does on this board for Patryn and her multiple personalities isn't any different than trolling.
You are entitled to hold this belief. I, for one, find that ridiculous. Among the many differences I see, there is one in particular. That being that if Deb posts something, everyone so inclined is able to roll their eyes and say “it’s just Deb being Deb.” The same way you see 15 Sparky threads and say “that’s just Sparky being Sparky.” If you want to call Deb a troll and say what she does is the same thing, go ahead. I think that’s just stupid.
She has accused Iris of being Patryn. She has backed up her accusations with links to threads. Yes, it is possible to infer that Iris is Patryn. It is also possible to infer that Laurel is Patryn, or that Madame Pandora is Patryn or that I am Patryn. Heck, for all we know Deborah could be Patryn. Even comparing IPs is a waste of time if the "Patryn" troll has a dial up with multiple IPs. If Iris is Patryn and Deborah can prove it, fine. Inferring that Iris is a troll by linking to threads is circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove that Iris is a troll or that Iris is Patryn.
I have never asked anyone to believe or not believe. In fact, on a previous thread, I stated CLEARLY that there was no absolute proof. Yes, it is all circumstantial evidence. This isn’t a court of law – it’s a bulletin board. I’m not trying to turn it into a court. Get off the Drumhead imagery. I really don’t give a shit if you or ANYONE believes what I do. I’m just not going to listen to Iris’ bullshit without slapping her in the face with what I believe to be the truth every so often. Several people who I speak to on a regular basis disagree with me on this issue. Ask any of them if I have DEMANDED they accept my view of things. I have not. I say the bitch is a fraud. And, as much as that may irk your sense of “justice” the fact remains that I could care less what you or anyone else thinks in this case. To me, she’s a fraud if you believe and she’s a fraud if you don’t believe. It’s all the same to me. If she decides to stay under this particular identity sometimes I won’t pay attention to it and sometimes I will. You have as much say in this as I have – one voice. Your opinion is noted, and I swear on a crown of thorns I bear you no ill will over it and I believe with all my heart you’re entitled to it. It has no bearing, however, on what I will or will not say and do.
I don't know what country ya'll live in, but the one I'm in theoretically runs on the principle that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Yes, and were I in a court of LAW and not one of opinion, this would probably matter to me in the slightest. I think what people lose track of here is that this is just a fucking BB. It doesn’t really MATTER if I fight with “Iris” or I don’t. It has as much lasting effect as two people bickering in a coffee shop. She’s not going to the gallows. Christ, she’s can’t even be banned from the site. All I’m saying is that her antics – as I believe them to be – piss me off. And I’m also saying that DEB has a right to verse her opinion. I also agree that you have the right to tell us both to fuck ourselves six ways from Sunday.
Now circumstantial evidence merely shows that the Accused Might be guilty. The corollary is that the Accused Might be innocent. When this is the case the responsible judgement one ought to arrive at is that the Accused is innocent until more concrete evidence can be brought forward. Contrive innuendo does not count as concrete evidence. Thus far, that's all I can see
See above.
Therefore, I generally don't give credence to anything Deborah says about trolls and who they are. Unless she is a hacker and hacks Literotica for the logged IPs, then she has no way of proving anything.
And I respect your right to this view.
I arrived at this conclusion due to the Dillinger Debacle. Deborah accused Dillinger of voter fraud to get his stories to the top of the lists. She made very convincing arguments and she backed them up with numbers that she had tracked from the voting and movement on the top lists. This is very convincing, but in the end it's all circumstantial evidence. Dillinger might have done it, but then again, so could any number of Dillinger Fans. Someone else could have done it without Dillinger's knowledge or approval.
Yes. I’ve said this many times on many different threads. The numbers were obviously manipulated in Dillinger’s favor. Occam's razor-esque logic pointed to it being him. In my opinion, logic was wrong in that case. I’ve apologized to Dillinger. I’ve admitted I was wrong. I will do the same for “Iris” should I come to feel differently, but I don’t think there’s a vesper’s chance on Mardi Gras that I’m wrong about the her little pouch of snake oil.
In the end Deborah's accusations hurt Dillinger. The result of her accusations was that a number of people became incensed and "voted down" Dillinger's stories. I admit that I was one of those incensed sheep that followed Deborah without thought and "1'd" him. I am deeply ashamed of myself for it and I later went back and gave him three fives, hoping that it would erase the effects of my one. Yes, I know how to commit voter fraud. I don't do it. Go ahead and track my stories, they rarely move up or down.
Another result of those accusations was that they opened up a discussion on the suspicious numbers we had all taken note of and allowed for Dillinger to defend himself. It brought him to the boards and it is probably the reason he’s an active part of the BB today. It’s also the reason I began speaking with him. Just because something is unpleasant doesn’t mean all of the outcomes will be negative.
I’m sorry you felt motivated by Deb to do something against your general nature, but that isn’t Deb or anyone else’s fault but yours. I would bet your integrity is stronger now because of the breach. It certainly is as you display it here now.
My entire point is that I think Deborah ought to act with some more responsibility with her accusations of who is trolling.
Deb doesn’t have to be responsible to anyone but herself. She doesn’t owe you or anyone else anything. The whole point of “free speech” is that it is just that – FREE. That means I can say that I think Iris is a sham. BUT, if I were going to dither on points with you, I would say it’s interesting that you accept that “trolls” cannot be held responsible for what they say, but Deb should be. This would belie your belief that she’s nothing more than a troll, wouldn’t it?
The results of her accusations have hurt people in the past.
My view of this is well documented, and many people dislike it. People only get hurt by that which they allow themselves to be hurt by.
Not everyone who trolls is Patryn and not everyone who posts with a similar posting style is Patryn.
I agree 100%.
I think that Deborah has a good inference of who may be trolling NS & NSW. I think she even has good circumstantial evidence to back it up. I just don't think she should level her accusations until she can prove it. Deborah isn't about responsibility and personal accountability. When she does that she acts just like the trolls do.
I disagree 100%.
Take this situation with Iris. I am not familiar with the little fued and I have no intention of climbing into the middle of it. But this is my uninformed take on the situation. Iris started posting on this board not so long ago and after a few days? weeks? Deborah abruptly (in my estimation) accuses Iris of being Patryn.
There’s a little jump here. You see, this is where many people just don’t get it. Deb doesn’t sit around all day going “hmmmm….were is Patryn? Is that one Patryn? What about that one?”
It doesn’t work that way. People do stuff to make you suspicious. There is SOMETHING that draws attention to itself. And so you watch it. And you notice more stuff. And, eventually, something happens which allows you to make up your mind. I honestly have NO CLUE what made up Deborah’s mind on the issue, I only know what made up mine and it had NOTHING to do with Deb.
I have no idea why she did that and after reading the referential threads I still had no idea. Deborah and Iris exchanged nasty emails and then resorted to uneasy tension on the board.
I have no clue if Iris and Deb exchanged emails. I would guess no big time, but that’s just my hunch, and I wouldn’t bet a nickel on it.
It is bad enough that Deborah attacks Iris whenever she gets the notion, but now MP is doing it as well? No, Iris isn't perfect, but how do you know Iris is the troll? What if she's innocent? Can you justify hurting an innocent person simply because Deborah inferred that the innocent person was a troll? After all, she has a history of doing just that already.
Just as you say Iris doesn’t have to justify her identity, I don’t have to justify JACK to you.
Right here is where I have to ask you to back the fuck up. Some of these other idiots who post here can snicker and call me some mindless ROBOT who kisses Deb’s ass and follows her mindlessly. I could give a shit. But, you sit back for a minute and see if that sits with the rest of your view of me. Do I follow ANYTHING I don’t agree with? Do I ever BALK at going against the grain? No.
I’m not a fucking SheeP and I’m not part of a fucking flock. Even Deb, much as I enjoy her, does not control my opinion for DICK. I like YOU, KM, have I ever backed down from an argument with you? Or WS? Or DarlingBri? Or LAUREL? Or ANY of the other people I enjoy trading quips with or talking to? No.
You want to argue my opinion, that’s fine. But then don’t LUMP me in as an appendage of Deb’s.
I came to my own conclusions about Iris based on my own fucking mind. Did I share my theories with Deb? Sure I did. The same way I would share them with anyone else who noticed odd things about her. I’ve also discussed her with people who disagree with me.
I'm not perfect, don't care to be because perfection is boring. I do, however, like to think that on occasion I use my brain. This is one of those occasions
The inference being that I do not and have not? You stated quite clearly above that you don’t have all that clear a picture of what’s going on OTHER THAN THAT FACT that there isn’t enough proof to satisfy you and you don’t like the way Deb or I have handled the situation. If you think that means you’ve used your brain more than I have, then all I can say is: screw you. I respect your right to DISAPPROVE of me. I got no beef with that. But don’t tell me you THINK and I don’t.
If Deborah can prove her accusations, then jump right out with it, nothing wrong with cleaning disgusting riff raff from the board. If Deborah can't back her accusations up with solid evidence, then she is in the position where she can hurt innocent people. I would think that she, as the intelligent woman that she is, would act responsibly.
I think you assume a lot.
Anyway, after considering my own behavior, I will refrain from using inflammatory words like "little witch hunts" and dismissive nicknames.
As is your right.
Go for it, babe. Give Deb hell. Give ME hell.
You are one opinion. I am one opinion. You say the little bitch is innocent until proven guilty. I say she satisfies the burden of proof in my head. And I call her a fraud, and I’ll call her any other number of dismissive nicknames I so choose.
No. She doesn’t have to defend herself. Which is convenient, after all, because she can’t.
MP
[Edited by Madame Pandora on 04-18-2001 at 11:04 AM]
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So that explains it! One of the first posts I made on the board was quickly followed by a rather gruff question from Deborah. She wanted to know what other names I'd posted under on the board. It was so strange to have her intense presence and question appear in the midst of some innocuous conversation. I understand now, that she represents the "troll" patrol. How comforting to know the board is being kept safe from aberrant behavior. Does she get a special uniform?
http://www.k4dwi.net/nazi/images/jpg/fuhrer.jpg
http://www.k4dwi.net/nazi/images/jpg/fuhrer.jpg
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DevilMayCare, that has to be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
Comparing Deborah to Hitler, when you obviously don't know jack-shit about either.
Comparing Deborah to Hitler, when you obviously don't know jack-shit about either.
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It's the uniform PH, the uniform...
The analogy may be over the top, but one thing I know about Hitler was that lots of innocent people ended up "hurt" because of his obsession. You can draw your own conclusions. What I read on these threads sounds quite a bit like a witch hunt to me. Yes, I'm a newbie and perhaps should hold my tongue. Yet, since no one else seems inclined to hold their tongues I see no reason for being so deferential. You like Deborah, you enjoy her attacks, have fun. I don't. Trolls are only a problem if you let them be, whoever they are. IMHO.
The analogy may be over the top, but one thing I know about Hitler was that lots of innocent people ended up "hurt" because of his obsession. You can draw your own conclusions. What I read on these threads sounds quite a bit like a witch hunt to me. Yes, I'm a newbie and perhaps should hold my tongue. Yet, since no one else seems inclined to hold their tongues I see no reason for being so deferential. You like Deborah, you enjoy her attacks, have fun. I don't. Trolls are only a problem if you let them be, whoever they are. IMHO.
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DevilMayCare
Yes your analogy was way over the top, if you wanted to make a point about the uniform, you could have chosen a better way.
Posting a picture of Hitler and comparing him to Deborah, is extremely juvenile and distasteful, and above all it is disrespectful of the millions of people who died while Hitler was in power.
No you should not hold your tong, but you should try to think before you speak!
Yes your analogy was way over the top, if you wanted to make a point about the uniform, you could have chosen a better way.
Posting a picture of Hitler and comparing him to Deborah, is extremely juvenile and distasteful, and above all it is disrespectful of the millions of people who died while Hitler was in power.
No you should not hold your tong, but you should try to think before you speak!
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Hold on. No one here honestly thinks the guy is comparing Deb to Hitler, do you? He knew of a link to a photo, he had a point to make, he posted, ba-da-bing. The whole process probably took sixty seconds. And you're going to divine what from that? Something more than a minute's impulse? Come along now...
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