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[rosco rathbone]

What is to be made of a person who is very sexually "turned-on" by the idee fixe of domestic violence? Once again the experts have been housing me.

I suppose that, as long as everything is consensual, it's a case of whatever floats your boat.

I know enough about the theory of domestic violence to know that it is a violent and infantile attempt to overcome what is percieved as an emotional threat. I don't feel any capacity for actual domestic violence in me; because I am far too concerned with control and the classic example of DV is nothing if not a loss of same.

On some level though, underneath and condiditoned by the need for control, my psychosexuality is moulded by that selfsame infantile yawp. "you will do as i say", lowercase ee cummings "i".

The infantility of dominate masters. Perhaps Jizzo Jacobs was right. The real dominate masters must be the ones who have transcended or outgrown the narcissistic need.

I was recently called a sexual narcissist; by someone in a position to have a meaningful opinion. My only possible answer could be "Yes and?" . Je suis Narcisse; let the sexual violence commence.

 

[JarringJoe]

"Consenual" the key word

Roscoe, in your erudition you have made the proper point: so long as two consenting adults wish to incorporate rough play into their sexual lives, so be it. But even as a Master, I would never inflict any degree of real pain on my slut slave. To be sure, her ass is going to sting enough from time to time that she'll cry out, "Ouch, damn it, ouch." But after a pause she'll probably say, "Please, Master Joe, spank me some more, and harder this time." Over the years I have never broken her skin nor drawn any blood, nor do I ever intend to.

We once got into a situation out in Chicago where the Master in the other couple started doing some serious flogging of his slut's back and bottom, raising welts that swelled with blood. Although she did not protest nor utter the stop-signal, we got the hell out of there.

Kitsy knows that being spanked or strapped before and during sex adds much to the intensity of her orgasms; further, the loss of control over her body means that she is free to give full rein to her sexual feelings. And although other masters spank and fuck her from time to time, she experiences her most enjoyable orgasms with me.

But, as I said at the outset, consent, consent and consent., That's all you need to know.

I enjoy your posts, by the way, for you know what you are writing about.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Re: "Consenual" the key word

Roscoe, in your erudition you have made the proper point: so long as two consenting adults wish to incorporate rough play into their sexual lives, so be it. But even as a Master, I would never inflict any degree of real pain on my slut slave. To be sure, her ass is going to sting enough from time to time that she'll cry out, "Ouch, damn it, ouch." But after a pause she'll probably say, "Please, Master Joe, spank me some more, and harder this time." Over the years I have never broken her skin nor drawn any blood, nor do I ever intend to.

We once got into a situation out in Chicago where the Master in the other couple started doing some serious flogging of his slut's back and bottom, raising welts that swelled with blood. Although she did not protest nor utter the stop-signal, we got the hell out of there.

Kitsy knows that being spanked or strapped before and during sex adds much to the intensity of her orgasms; further, the loss of control over her body means that she is free to give full rein to her sexual feelings. And although other masters spank and fuck her from time to time, she experiences her most enjoyable orgasms with me.

But, as I said at the outset, consent, consent and consent., That's all you need to know.

I enjoy your posts, by the way, for you know what you are writing about.

Well, that is very kind sir.

What I was more talking about was this: is it somehow wrong to get off on the idea of DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Not scene floggings and such. Tearful fight scenes with facial slaps. Is it possible to have some kind of grey-area consent carte blanche for this type of thing?

I just saw a very long, very good documentary on DV filmed in Tampa with the cooperation of social services there. Many long interviews and extended-length shots of women talking in group. It made it abundantly clear to me a theory I've always nourished (not original to me) that the "victims" are often willing participants in some twisted, fucked up way.

 

[Pure]

RR:
//that the "victims" are often willing participants in some twisted, fucked up way.//

That's true enough, I think.

It does not, however, go to the issue whether a crime has occurred, and what penalty is appropriate. I may have some twisted motive for prowling certain dangerous streets.
Those who mug me, however, still get prosecuted and 'sent up.'

The determinative factor, rightly, seems to be whether the doer of the violence is a danger to society.

J

 

[Netzach]

What is to be made of a person who is very sexually "turned-on" by the idee fixe of domestic violence? Once again the experts have been housing me.

Not much, at least by me.

Fantasy is precisely about the things we aren't necessarily about to do. I might daydream about jumping out the window at work and gooping up the sidewalk and then they'll be sorry, or taking a lunch break, walking off and never coming back. Doesn't mean I'd do same. Doesn't mean I'm suicidal in general, either. Just means I want a new job.

I suppose that, as long as everything is consensual, it's a case of whatever floats your boat.

To a point. Don't ask me which point, I don't know, but I don't think everything is so relative as all that.

I'm not a fan of assisted suicide and euthanasia normally. I'm definitely not a fan of death-by-consent as part of sexuality. Your consent becomes a problem societally, becomes a problem when your SO strangles you intentionally or even through rote stupidity.


I know enough about the theory of domestic violence to know that it is a violent and infantile attempt to overcome what is percieved as an emotional threat. I don't feel any capacity for actual domestic violence in me; because I am far too concerned with control and the classic example of DV is nothing if not a loss of same.

On some level though, underneath and condiditoned by the need for control, my psychosexuality is moulded by that selfsame infantile yawp. "you will do as i say", lowercase ee cummings "i".

The infantility of dominate masters. Perhaps Jizzo Jacobs was right. The real dominate masters must be the ones who have transcended or outgrown the narcissistic need.

I'm sorry to shit on you guys, but I don't think I've ever met a hetero dominate master who WAS altruistic about it, totally adult, and not a narcissist, not in fact PRIMARILY these things, one or all or some. Jizzo et al emphasize these lofty ideals to get "profoundly submissive" girls in the sack, and to feel like they are playing doctor to a whole fawning cult. Duh.

I don't think I need a cult to feel sufficiently adored, maybe just two or three bottoms.

Me, I try to give in to that me me me impulse enough to keep it fucking interesting, fight it enough to make it transcendental, and acknowledge the fact that dominating someone *makes me wet.* Which people seem to want to chase away, sweep under the rug, and give short shrift.

Feel better, my nemesis, better to be full of doubt and devoid of shit. At least I think so.

This quote proves it, it's almost as good as one of mine. (Not a narcissist)

I was recently called a sexual narcissist; by someone in a position to have a meaningful opinion. My only possible answer could be "Yes and?" . Je suis Narcisse; let the sexual violence commence. [/QUOTE] [?b}

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm sorry to shit on you guys, but I don't think I've ever met a hetero dominate master who WAS altruistic about it, totally adult, and not a narcissist, not in fact PRIMARILY these things, one or all or some. Jizzo et al emphasize these lofty ideals to get "profoundly submissive" girls in the sack, and to feel like they are playing doctor to a whole fawning cult. Duh.

I kept making this exact point, over and over to he and his. I was tolerated as class clown for a long time; but finally my instincts synced up with a popular movement of revolt against him from the ranks and I was discommunicated along with the rest.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I mean ex communicated.

 

[rosco rathbone]

harsh hypersexual anime

I probably shouldn't have posted this question on the idiot board. Maybe someone here can help me.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5353284#post5353284

 

[Pure]

JJ said,

//Roscoe, in your erudition you have made the proper point: so long as two consenting adults wish to incorporate rough play into their sexual lives, so be it. But even as a Master, I would never inflict any degree of real pain on my slut slave. To be sure, her ass is going to sting enough from time to time that she'll cry out, "Ouch, damn it, ouch." But after a pause she'll probably say, "Please, Master Joe, spank me some more, and harder this time." Over the years I have never broken her skin nor drawn any blood, nor do I ever intend to. //

This statement is interestingly ambivalent. While claiming 'consent' is all, the practice is to avoid serious bodily harm.

The legal principle here, which I kind of like--as does N, I think--is that one can't consent to serious bodily harm or death. I feel pretty good about this one.

Netzach mentions the controversial topics of assisted suicide, euthanasia, and 'consensual' death in sex play, and suggests discomfort with them, though they might be consensual.

To me, one issue is 'exceptions' to the principle. I think one can validly wish for death in extreme pain. And I think those who assist, on request--not do gooder furtive euthanasiasts-- are doing a friendly and possibly loving service. (A case in point up here was 'Susan Rodriguez", and she had to flout the law.)

Painful deadly diseases, esp. progressive, aside, I think the principle is a good one. Consider the social aspect. A wants a serious flogging, that will flay the flesh from the back. B agrees, and does it. It's consensual--no, requested, which is stronger.

Arguably B should be prosecuted. B is a danger, not only to A, but to others. S/he is too stupid to avoid inficting serious injury.
Further this can be done despite testimony of A, or without the testimony of A (just the photos of A's back, with flesh torn, the bone exposed, is enough.)

Many BDSM folks, esp. 'spokespersons' and advocates, hate this approach, claim it martyrizes them, etc. But, if my body were on the line, and I was so 'carried away as--in effect-- to ask for damage, I think the 'top' has an obligation NOT to do any serious damage.

J

 

[Quint]

Rosco,

Re: brutal anime. The two best series that I have found are "Cool Devices" and "Bible Black;" they both include BDSM without safewords and other fripperies and lean heavily on humiliation, especially Bible Black. They both have their cheesiness which is immensely lessened if you get them subtitled (Americans have no business being voice actors in anime) but I think you'll find something you like in those. Readily available at your local p2p sharing network.

If you find anything else worth watching, please do keep me posted; I'm always on the lookout for angry NC anime.

 

[Netzach]

You used to hang there? I did too. They are incredibly intelligent people, but there's something moonie like about the whole vibe that made me eventually walk.

When I hung in the JJ Polly et al. chats I was going through a crisis of being primarily bottom identified and butch. (Don't ask, young n' stupid, but believe me, I *know* male sub mindset)

You can only imagine how popular this was there. The Daddy dearest little girl cult was completely unable to deal. It broke with JJ rule #27 or something like that mandating fatherly daughterly archetypes in submisssion.

*gag*

 

[Pure]

It was kinda neat reading the "something awful" fellow's commentary: he seems truly offended by violence and perversion, but says he goes through it for our sake. I looked at
a couple summaries, and this sounds 'up your alley.'

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=322

The Maid's Story

[summary and commentary from the something awful website]
At a Glance: Have you ever wanted to realize your dreams of having a job where you live in a mansion and train and sexually assault three young maids? The Maid's Story helps you realize this plausible fantasy. You play a jobless college graduate who is offered a job out of the blue training three maids with the help of an attractive personal secretary. Training includes cooking, cleaning, laundry, and about 50 sex acts among various other tasks. When one of the maids seems reluctant you're more than willing to ask her "how about a roaring fist?" Now that's class people! It's like domestic abuse edutainment!

[...]

Defining Moment: The first visitor, definitely. The first visitor I got was the player's ex girlfriend, a poorly drawn blonde bimbo who seemed to delight more than any of the other visitors in tormenting the maids. The girl I selected to give her service ended up dropping the tea, which prompted the good old ex to shove her to the ground and grab a whip that I apparently had laying around. She asked if I used it on the girls and my character responded that indeed he did. She then whipped the poor maid mercilessly.

After a time I was presented with the option of intervening on the behalf of the maid or joining in with the whipping. Well jeez, she spilled some fucking tea, hand me that thing. After I whipped the crap out of the maid the ex offered to have sex with me for three-hundred dollars.

[How did these writers know about Netzach????]


Naturally I accepted, because nothing gets my motor running like whipping a defenseless young woman while my sadistic ex girlfriend gloats in the background. It all worked out in the end though because I went to the maid's room after the day was over and told her she was doing a good job, thus restoring the whipping-related loss on the affection meter.

Final Thoughts: "The Maid's Story" does not feature particularly perverse sex acts when compared to the majority of other Hentai games, yet I find it to be probably the most repugnant of any I've played. This stems from the frequency and level of casual abuse in the game, which ranges from calling the maids stupid and threatening them with violence to raping them and then mocking how inadequately they performed during the rape. What makes it worse is the fact that it actually achieves a positive affect with the maids in that the more you abuse them the better they get work done or the more skilled they become in sex acts.

The game makes it barely possible to be nice to them at all, and even if you are a lot of the pre-scripted comments border on abuse, not to mention the attacks perpetrated in your company by visitors to the mansion. The source of the popularity of those delightful Japanese van-rape videos I've seen has never been more clear to me, and as usual I find myself with no choice but to blame every flaw in the Japanese culture on these horrible fucking games. I'm really glad it was translated to English, hopefully in five to ten years the van-rape aisle at the nearby Blockbuster will not be so woefully understocked.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You used to hang there? I did too. They are incredibly intelligent people, but there's something moonie like about the whole vibe that made me eventually walk.

When I hung in the JJ Polly et al. chats I was going through a crisis of being primarily bottom identified and butch. (Don't ask, young n' stupid, but believe me, I *know* male sub mindset)

You can only imagine how popular this was there. The Daddy dearest little girl cult was completely unable to deal. It broke with JJ rule #27 or something like that mandating fatherly daughterly archetypes in submisssion.

*gag*

More on this later.

Thanks Quint.

Thanks Pure.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I don't wanna read through all the posts I missed...I'm no masochist!

All I know is, I want to hurt someone really bad right now.

 

[Netzach]

Interesting, my Sado streak don't work like that.

I don't, (maybe RARELY but not that I even remember) usually want to hurt "someone" so badly. A specific "someone"?

You bet.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Interesting, my Sado streak don't work like that.

I don't, (maybe RARELY but not that I even remember) usually want to hurt "someone" so badly. A specific "someone"?

You bet.

Well, no...I have a list!

 

[Marquis]

The funny thing is, the people I want to dominate most would never let me do so.

 

[rosco rathbone]

The funny thing is, the people I want to dominate most would never let me do so.

Hm. I can't see being into it unless they are too, unless I am fantasizing about rape. My rape fantasies aren't really "domination"-oriented, though. I guess what I am trying to say is that some protective mechanism usually prevents me from being attracted to people who aren't also attracted to me.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Crosspost from my jacking thread: a slice of real life with rosco. Multiply x 365 and you have a year.

"...Ok, here's the nut. I was touching my unit and reading BDSM personals. There was one, a beautiful Filipina girl who looked almost like Amanda Lepore-same wide red mouth-that made me get an erection. She said she desired to be used as an oral slave. That did it. I had to jack.

I jumped up, ran to the ejaculatorium, dropt trou, took a wide stance, rested my nutsack on the cool porcelean rim of the ejaculation basin and commenced to yankeling. It only took 20-30 sec of high speed jacking before I felt a load stirring in the depths of my balls.

Weird image flashed before my eyes: the girl in the ad, but with her hair shaved off by me, wearing a tight-fitting oral-servitude hood with a large handle on top of the head like a Teletubby antenna, designed by me to offer alternative handhold in absence of hair-kneeling before me with mouth open wide to recieve the vile elixir. (This all just a momentary blipvert across the surface of my orgasmic consciousness).

I took a deep breath and performed a deep relaxation as the cream of the crop began its rise to the top of the pops. I've done this before, but this time I did it twice, once again right in the middle of the ejaculatory process. This caused me to bust off the strongest nut I've had in quite some time. Perhaps not jacking for a week or so had something to do with it. I opened my eyes as I frantically pumped out the last drops and caught in glimpse in the ejaculatorium mirror of my fuckface. My furious fuckface.

Nut: very intense, actually caught about 6 inches of air and besplattered the far rim of the ejaculation basin.

Load: average size, colour a bit off (a week "aging in the cask" will do that to a load), consistency: splattery....."

 

[rosco rathbone]

"I like to find a roleplayin person who help me to acheive the most organisms"

 

[Netzach]

Where can I get one of those hoods?

 

[Marquis]

Who knows Roscoe, perhaps you have a lucrative future in BDSM toy and apparel design.

Netzach, what would you need from a hood like that?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Where can I get one of those hoods?

The inside of my head.

(Picturing one of those funhouse rides where the little train goes into a big grinning joker mouth in a big house sized face)

 

[rosco rathbone]

Who knows Roscoe, perhaps you have a lucrative future in BDSM toy and apparel design.

Netzach, what would you need from a hood like that?

Netzach practices oral dominations if I am not mistaken. Strap ons and such may be involved.

I love the thing about "making the slave kneel holding a condom-wrapped doorknob in its mouth". You should try that one, Netzach.

 

[Netzach]

Strap ons?

It pulls the head close and gives me something to hold onto for the ride.

Sheesh, like you need a dick to be forceful about your oral?

I want one made out of pink latex for the girls and purple teletubby fur for the big boys.