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[rosco rathbone]

You flag omega, I assume omega, you flag alpha I assume alpha.

In all seriousness; you probably weed out those sailing under Panamanian registration rather early. Many women, though, I believe, are as equally confused as the gnomes; ie netzachs in disguise.

Ok this is getting all swirly.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Re: More on that

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177105&pagenumber=2

Link does not work.

As far as going shrinky dink: A, that's the difference between you and I and

B, on second thought, I think you are full of shit. "I don't go shrinky dink on my fucks" giggle yeah ok netzach.

 

[Netzach]

Fuckin' A it did last night.

...It should get you to the Switching Revisited thread wherein I 'splain to eve why I prefer to Top those with dick, but also why and who.

I think the modern wishy-washy who would go full on aggressive given the lack of repression is not necessarily like, 10-1 on the one who'd go uberslave given the same lack of repression. Maybe slightly more. who knows, maybe there are slightly less of them...depends who you ask, I guess. Maybe the majority of them would rather remain sexless drones smokin' weed and playing Nintendo and whatever else the indie rock boy has passion for.

There that's the short, concise version of what I'm saying or trying to wordily say.

Ok, fair enough I was probably full of shit. It was late when I wrote that and I was getting too in love with my own whatever.
Yeah, right, like I can be a-analytical for six seconds.

I pick harder at my own scabs, I think I can say that, anyhow. Harder. Doesn't mean I don't go picking, you already know me better than that.

"confused, ie. netzachs in disguise..."
are you implying the non-existence of the Femgnome or are you saying there are probably more than a couple out there? Or is that just way in the land of irrelevant?

 

[Netzach]

Playing with girls I just want to be sadistic 'cause I can. I know that sounds incredibly obvious, but it's not payback-motivated

(in spite of these annoying bi-until-propositioned girls I keep finding.....fuckin' make up your MIND!)

it's just a full on flex of my muscle, my dick and my attitude. Hrrrar.

With males, add money to the maleness, please. Make him rich, established, polished. Then you will have your full on hatefuck. Whether the passive or active fucker, there's space for that resentment.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You may enjoy this, Netzach. A true account of what can happen to a man who meddles with dark anal forces( written my me):



https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5242295#post5242295

 

[rosco rathbone]

I am sure that many women are capable of hatefuckery. I just think that the majority of gnomes must be men; due to our wiring.

Femgnomes. What a concept. I can't affirm or deny the existence of such a thing. To me, gnomery is too tied up in what I see as male sexual frustration. Maybe some women feel a version of this that is close to what I feel. There must be some kind of hormonal/wiring continuum. Maybe you are just closer to the male end than the female. Anyhow, this kind of thing is not my strong suit. My speculations got me banned from Ms. com forum, an experience I may relate here at some time since I feel it to be somehow germane.

 

[rosco rathbone]

What is that shit in your "av"? Torture tools? Bottle rockets?

Shadowy forms of some kind. There is a part in one of the Castaneda books where the sorcerer tells his apprentice about one of his forbears who used to have a lot of exceedingly odd sculpture about. "He didn't make it; he brought it back with him from his wanderings near the junkheap of infinity. Yes, that old bird was strange. Unbearably strange."

I loved that.

 

[Netzach]

That is highly enjoyable reading pour moi, somehow sexy, in a way I can't quite finger.

(no pun)

The aneros is a fascinating device, I recently met up with a real live 3-d one at an anal play workshop. It got passed around and G and I ogled it, thought we should get one. I think I'd get bored watching him sit there and ass-kegel all day, but maybe not.

You would have liked the guy doin' the demo, a really affable, butch hedonist one of the few honest people I have met in a "feels good do it" way. He likes shoving immense things up his ass as a fetish purely for the sensation and the better bigger longer joy of the challenge.

I have a theory that some sneaky anima stuck your energy knot, your sexual tickle and itch up there *specifically* so you'd have to go penetrable to get it sated. Here you can relate to my (FemTop) central dilemma...how to be penetrable while retaining control, force and atty-tude?
Some FemTops go without scratching as a solution. Fuck dat, say I.

Chaste Goddess...meh, Vagina Dentata, yeah baby.

My av? Not me, my handiwork though. Why it's needles and thread.

I like your casteneda quote and I'm very flattered, in fact.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I have a theory that some sneaky anima stuck your energy knot, your sexual tickle and itch up there *specifically* so you'd have to go penetrable to get it sated. Here you can relate to my (FemTop) central dilemma...how to be penetrable while retaining control, force and atty-tude?

Yes, I can see that my life is headed towards becoming a Coil album.

the angels kiss
our souls in bliss
measure the extent
of a dizzying descent
down the anal staircase.
The aaaaaaaaanal staiiircase.

-Coil "The Anal Staircase" Horse Rotovator LP
Rough Trade Records

 

[rosco rathbone]

Things to do to a face:

Not only hold it still by the topknot to slap it, but work on making the backhand perfectly even forcewise with the fronthand.

Switch topknot hand so that both cheeks get a forehand swing.

Cover the mouth and lower half of face with a hand like a dog-muzzle; not blocking breath but just controlling head. Works well with angry person. Shake the head back and forth like this. Stare into eye, don't let go.

Very hard contemptuous finger-flick right on tip of nose.

Same to lips. Repeat.

Spit on fingertips and then; while holding hair, insert them as far up nostrils as possible and use them to shake head around.

Spit in face at close range then slap very hard.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Oral service after such humiliations ^^^ is the sweetest oral service.

Blowjob meditations in a rain-stilled room with faraway taxicabs and horns and bus engines. The patience and focus and dreamy endurance of a dedicated mouth. Adept of quiet sorcerous oral domination flying with high priestess and temple harlot.

Now comes the time for return to the hand.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Foul, disgusting gnomerie most vile-I renounce thee!!

 

[rosco rathbone]

on the topic of incubi and succubi

"...They appear as human beings, with bodies firm but abnormally supple, boneless and very smooth. We may call to mind that the true manifestations of ectoplasmic bodies such as occur at psychical-mediumship seances have sometimes been fradulently mimicked by the use of latex gloves filled with water and sealed; this gives an idea of the texture of the genuine article. These entities are similar, save that they lack the clammy chill.
This description is based upon cases some of which were known to us many years before the beginnings of the current fashion for life-size inflatable dolls; a very curious example of the way we frequently see earthly inventions following upon astral patterns. {emphasis roscos}

-The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Psychic Self-Defense and Well Being, 2nd Ed., Denning, Melita and Phillips, Osborne

 

[rosco rathbone]

on the vile and lustful Turk and his women

"...To the Turk, history tells us, there was nothing genteel or refined about sex. Whenever and wherever the impulse struck him, the average Turk did not hesitate to react. Jinn swarmed in his brain, his breast, his loins, his swollen penis and tremorous testes. He sought release within the moment of demand....Their women, like many among the southern Hindoos, often required mental and physical toment before they could respond. The Turks generally took them by the hair, rending them tooth and nail, mounting them like curs and cudgelling them until they fainted dead away.
{emphasis roscos}

-The Jewel in the Lotus; Edwardes, Allan

 

[Netzach]

We didn't like their empire, did we?

I do love your recepie for the face, though.

 

[rosco rathbone]

We didn't like their empire, did we?

I do love your recipie for the face, though.

To whose empire do you refer, baby? The vile, loathesome, perverse and lecherous Turk? (That would be the Ottoman Empire 1326-1923).

The best parts of the face thing were the nose flick and the fingers in nostrols. Try it! It'll drive your boys bonkers; and not in a good way; and as martha says, thats a good thing.

 

[Netzach]

yep, the Ottomans.

You can pick yer friends, you can pick yer nose....

I may just, actually. I'm a fan of grasping the wretch by his chops and forcing eye contact before spitting, but the nose thing may come in handy.

 

[rosco rathbone]

yep, the Ottomans.

You can pick yer friends, you can pick yer nose....

I may just, actually. I'm a fan of grasping the wretch by his chops and forcing eye contact before spitting, but the nose thing may come in handy.

"Grab the wretch by his chops" sounds so Victorian era. Do you have the wretch in wrestraints? or is he trained to just sit still for whatever heavy-handed mistreatment you mete out.

 

[evesdream]

.....Now comes the time for return to the hand.

funny-guy

"after the strenuous *laying on of hands* nothing pleased brother Rosco more than his Daily Observance in the privicy of his cell"

 

[rosco rathbone]

Pronounced "prih-vih-see" in the english style, not the american PRY-vuh-see"

 

[evesdream]

Say, Netzach, do you know anything about enemas? I don't really have any personal interest, and I certainly have no experience, but the Way of the Ass is large and round. You never know when you'll be called upon to stand and deliver.

This is a post from another message board that I thought was interesting. I agree with some of these points more than others, and I'm curious about other views here particularly from the Top contingent (Netzach? Rosco? Zipman? The WriterDom?)

******
Tops and Doms, my findings are that there are very few of 'em. Why would that be so?

#1 it takes energy to do what those guys do. They have to pay attention to themselves, to you, then have a creative thought about you and your relationship with them, and about your physical being and your emotional state, then take action.

#2 a person has to have some level of confidence in his/her creativity. That person also has to find enough pleasure doing something besides just the old in-and-out to want to spend/waste time on the something else.

#3 it's a gift. I mean it's a gift that they are giving. Are there that many people out there ready to give, and ready to receive what's given in return?
*********

 

[Netzach]

Depends on the victim, whether I tie him up or change his world enough to sit there and take it. The latter is more delicious the former more practical.

My experience of enemas has been limited to the small squirty bottle ones for me, sometimes. I am curious about the bag type. I kind of have a self selecting cleanliness about me, ass sex recipence just doesn't sound good to me unless I've recently evacuated. Maybe if I have time today I'll try a bag of warm water, it's just not something I've gotten around to, but wadda fuck, you only live once.

My boy would be the one to ask, he's a fan of the bag of warm water, but it's very much a healthy/clean neatnik/ass curiosity thing. He's had a colonic, which sounded really trippy, the water whooshes in you simultaneously in and out. (you can get this done to you for about 40-50 bucks)

I don't play/scene with enemas really, I'm not adverse to it, I just don't jump for joy at the thought of forced holding, evacuating, filling, and whatnot. I imagine that if I found someone rarin' to go whose favorite toy it was, I might get into it. I'm flexible that way, I really like getting responses from people, and my favorite means tend to be the most effective ones.

Re: your crosspost.

1. Yes, it takes energy. Fuck yes. So much so that the people who have full time slaves or claim to be in DOM SPACE all the time mystify me, personally. I fully acknowledge moments of less brilliance, indecision, PMS, crying, sleeping and snotty head colds, and general *you fucking DECIDE* disinterest, in addition to energy spikes and flashes of insight during which I fucking rule. If someone expects me to be at the high point all my life long, they will be sorely disappointed. I don't trouble myself with the unrelenting totality of certain starry eyed submissives' fantasy life. I play with grown ups.

2. Yes and yes. I think you have to be creative to Top. I think you have to be the kind of person who jumps out a window if they were completely deprived of a creative outlet, that creativity has to be a *necessity* for you and a non-negotiable. I was in a vanilla relationship for a long time because the sex was fun and imaginitive and not shitty, it just wasn't *enough* to keep me there forever. If someone told me I were never to have vaginal penetrative intercourse again for the rest of my life, I'd be ok and I'd think of a lot of other things to do.

3. I don't think it's a gift, blech. I think it's WORK. I think it's giving a shit about your partner if you are doing this from a partner standpoint, and paying attention to them, and learning them and having fun doing it. I think it's a collaboration. I think saying it's a gift is really making it seem like drudgery, if it sucks to bad, why the hell would you do it?

I put the pices together as a whole, and look at it macro, and yes, I put a cockring on M and clothespins on his painfully erect shaft as part of some larger scheme that is good for him...and me...but in the moment? I'm doing it because he's really hating it and squirming and I want to see how far I can go before he's kicking out involuntarily and begging. And then I do pull back. But not till I've gotten there...I have to have my scientific proof that I can do that, that he'll really let me go that far.


I have looked at the texts that advocate a submission-as-gift stance and to me it's all about being able to still feel like a "good girl":

"you, little girl, are stooping to these low and dirty things for some guy, and the guy better be honored and touched by that gesture"

Like what if you just *like* them? What if you *like* when he calls you a cunt and slaps you and puts bootprints on your ass? It's so much less scary to make it martyrdom instead of...****. The same is true of Dominance as gift...not really. I do it for him, for us, sure, but in the moment it's for me, too.

 

[JarringJoe]

Women unnecessary?

Oh, come on, fellow, reproduction aside, many of us guys just like to fuck women -- just as many women, thanks be, derive great joy out of being fucked.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Re: Women unnecessary?

Oh, come on, fellow, reproduction aside, many of us guys just like to fuck women -- just as many women, thanks be, derive great joy out of being fucked.

Real women are too much trouble. I am waiting for the next generation of realdolls. Those will provide everything I need in a woman without the irritating personalties and emotions. I like to fuck like I am fucking a doll anyway; so why not actually fuck one.

 

[Marquis]

Because a real doll wouldn't mind.