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QUOTE:Originally posted by P. B. Walker
If I come off as a big prick, so be it. ... I'm sure there is a fair number of people here who think I'm the biggest ass on the planet.
PBW
Pure,
See quotes above. Through his disjointed and increasingly incoherent diatribes, he just keeps confirming and confirming and confirming. His posts really make your eyeballs bleed, don't they?
Pure, you said to PBW:
I have never had any interest in enlightening PBW. But I do hope to spur the the more perceptive white readers of Literotica to have the following type of internal dialogue with themselves:
"I thought I was not a racist. The last time a person of color cut me off in traffic, I did not say to myself 'That fucking N_____!' or 'I wish that fucking Arab would go back to his own country!'. Since these things did not pop into my head, I assumed that I was not a racist. However, in that moment of anger, I DID say to myself 'If that guy would get off his lazy ass and stop being on welfare, then maybe he wouldn't have so much time to be out here on the road getting in my way!'. I told myself that I was simply expressing anger about the bad behavior of an INDIVIDUAL driver and that there were no sociological implications beyond that. If I were being totally honest with myself, I would have to admit that I never make those same lifestyle assumptions when a white person cuts me off in traffic. So, if I jump to those types of conclusions about people of color when I am angry, then what kind of deeply buried preconceived notions do I have about a person of color when he sits in front of me interviewing for a job? Reading these posts has made me more conciously aware of the racist feelings that this racist society has embedded in my heart. Even though these feelings were embedded without my knowledge or consent, I nevertheless do have them. I do have racist feelings and now that I am aware of this fact, I need to get out of denial mode and do something about them."
This series of posts has NEVER been about trying to sway PBW's opinions, such as they are. I know that only the thinking members of Literotica will be able to understand the point being made here or the necessity of having this type of internal dialogue. I am only interested in reaching the more perceptive Literotica posters and therefore, I have no interest in communicating with PBW.This exchange with PBW has served as a vehicle for me to hopefully share some insights and give some food for thought to the white posters on Literotica.
Pure, I admire your ability to continue to try to teach PBW how to make his arguments more coherent. Are you some sort of Zen Master of patience or something?
As I have already said, it is against my personal code of ethics to kick a defenseless person, but I simply must share this quip about PBW:
At 2:57 pm yesterday, PBW made a big deal about signing off the discussion board, implying that he was about to retire to another room to have his cock sucked. After having left at 2:57 pm to supposedly do this, HIS NEXT POST WAS AT 3:03 pm!!!
Have you, RR, CBM or Marquis ever, even in your most premature ejaculatory experiences, been able to retire for such an abbreviated afternoon of sexual pleasure?
Pure, I remain in awe of your patience and charitable nature...
-brnsuga
If I come off as a big prick, so be it. ... I'm sure there is a fair number of people here who think I'm the biggest ass on the planet.
PBW
brnsuga said:
Pure,
See quotes above. Through his disjointed and increasingly incoherent diatribes, he just keeps confirming and confirming and confirming. His posts really make your eyeballs bleed, don't they?
Pure, you said to PBW:
One of my favorite sayings is "You can't tell another person how to say ouch". It is the mark of the white supremacist to insult a person of color and when they are called on it, to cover themselves by feigning regret, saying "Sorry you're hurt but what's relevant here is MY intention and once I define that intention to be acceptable, the subject is closed". When we as people of color see this trademark behavior, we know immediately who and what we are dealing with.
I have never had any interest in enlightening PBW. But I do hope to spur the the more perceptive white readers of Literotica to have the following type of internal dialogue with themselves:
"I thought I was not a racist. The last time a person of color cut me off in traffic, I did not say to myself 'That fucking N_____!' or 'I wish that fucking Arab would go back to his own country!'. Since these things did not pop into my head, I assumed that I was not a racist. However, in that moment of anger, I DID say to myself 'If that guy would get off his lazy ass and stop being on welfare, then maybe he wouldn't have so much time to be out here on the road getting in my way!'. I told myself that I was simply expressing anger about the bad behavior of an INDIVIDUAL driver and that there were no sociological implications beyond that. If I were being totally honest with myself, I would have to admit that I never make those same lifestyle assumptions when a white person cuts me off in traffic. So, if I jump to those types of conclusions about people of color when I am angry, then what kind of deeply buried preconceived notions do I have about a person of color when he sits in front of me interviewing for a job? Reading these posts has made me more conciously aware of the racist feelings that this racist society has embedded in my heart. Even though these feelings were embedded without my knowledge or consent, I nevertheless do have them. I do have racist feelings and now that I am aware of this fact, I need to get out of denial mode and do something about them."
This series of posts has NEVER been about trying to sway PBW's opinions, such as they are. I know that only the thinking members of Literotica will be able to understand the point being made here or the necessity of having this type of internal dialogue. I am only interested in reaching the more perceptive Literotica posters and therefore, I have no interest in communicating with PBW.This exchange with PBW has served as a vehicle for me to hopefully share some insights and give some food for thought to the white posters on Literotica.
Pure, I admire your ability to continue to try to teach PBW how to make his arguments more coherent. Are you some sort of Zen Master of patience or something?
As I have already said, it is against my personal code of ethics to kick a defenseless person, but I simply must share this quip about PBW:
At 2:57 pm yesterday, PBW made a big deal about signing off the discussion board, implying that he was about to retire to another room to have his cock sucked. After having left at 2:57 pm to supposedly do this, HIS NEXT POST WAS AT 3:03 pm!!!
Have you, RR, CBM or Marquis ever, even in your most premature ejaculatory experiences, been able to retire for such an abbreviated afternoon of sexual pleasure?
Pure, I remain in awe of your patience and charitable nature...
-brnsuga
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Am, or have?
rosco rathbone
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Get this straight: I suck cum from a Black mistress' pussy and, as directed, from any other pussies of all colors and ethnic groups. If she's not around, the picture will do, when directed, for jerking off.
What have we here????????? The mysterious Pure coming clean about his doings??? Somebody pinch me!
What have we here????????? The mysterious Pure coming clean about his doings??? Somebody pinch me!
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WriterDom said:
75% of my posts is an awful lot of ignoring, thumbo.
I am your personal troll because you are a made-to-order demonstration of everything set forth in the first couple of screeds in this thread.
"....now be off, before I kick you downstairs...."
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He actually said he was "retiring to his antechamber, in Rathbone fashion". OR words to that effect. He may have intended to say "bedchamber", but he was right on the money. I, Rosco, prefer unconventional venues for my oral dominations.
After I write a Reader's Digest of black philosophie for MT, I will have to outline my thoughts on premature ejaculations for brnsuga. I myself was a preemie in the days before I discovered the psychosexual world; and I believe it to be a result of undigested sexual rage. But more of that anon.
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vargas said:Whose the lucky lady Rosco? Anyone we know??
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That depends on who "we" know. I'll never kiss and tell.....
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Roscoe, a suggestion, if you please?
I would like to encourage more Dom/mes to post on the forums. This thread and WD's "Dom Lounge" are both wonderful ways to do that.
I was wondering if you would be willing to do a post of reintroduction to the thread and briefly share your philosophies, those that separate you from the Dom Lounge.
We have two schools of thought.
We have plenty of room for two threads and I would love to see both of them rolling.
Just a quick thought and NO, I am not playing peacemaker....I just want more Doms, dammit!
I would like to encourage more Dom/mes to post on the forums. This thread and WD's "Dom Lounge" are both wonderful ways to do that.
I was wondering if you would be willing to do a post of reintroduction to the thread and briefly share your philosophies, those that separate you from the Dom Lounge.
We have two schools of thought.
We have plenty of room for two threads and I would love to see both of them rolling.
Just a quick thought and NO, I am not playing peacemaker....I just want more Doms, dammit!
rosco rathbone said:
Thanks, RR. Because I was on my way to the airport and running late, I tried to rely on memory (I didn't have time to go back and reread his post). Yes, that fact does alter the imagery significantly. Can you still have a peak experience if "the scene of the crime" is a bedroom, or does the mundaneness of the bedroom dampen your wick a bit?
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Apropos of some discussions of equality, and of a philosophy of this forum, I offer a few excerpts from Beauvoir's famous essay on Sade--somewhat hard to locate outside of major libraries. Simone de Beauvoir ( b. 1908) was a French author and intellectual, partner for many years a partner of J.P. Sartre and a co-founder of French existentialism in the 1940s and 50s. The latter being the period of this essay.
Summary and explanation from other writings. The other's sensations, esp. pain, have no particular meaning to us, or hold on us. The ways that commonplace morality attempt to coerce us into respecting them, are false. Reciprocity or golden rule is, so to speak, backwards: instead of the GR, one should do first to someone what that person might do to one.
"Do him before he does you."
Likewise false is the idea that there is some universal rule that obliges me, like 'Do not steal from others." There is no way to legislate for all, and such seeming attempts are disguised ways that the rich try to deter the poor from stealing from them.
Sade's opposition to laws about stealing and murder do not mean that he wished them to thrive. He endorses the approach of a king in an anecdote: the king is approached by a murderer and asked for a pardon. the king says, "I pardon you; but also the man's relative who comes after you and murders you."
For Sade it's a 'disadvantage' when the state takes over trial and punishment (Most thinkers view the state's taking over such matters as murder, a desired result, since the state is neutral.)
False: The state simply becomes cold blooded-- as in the use of the guillotine. These state murders are low, despicable.
Sade does not think friendship impossible, though, but there is always a 'tension'. Libertines may get together are orgies an help each other in the staging of them. (Share subs).
The most genuine connection among humans is fucking.
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From “Must We Burn Sade” by Simone de Beauvoir
It is here that Sade’s thinking proves to be extreme: the only thing that has truth for me is that which is enveloped in my own experience; the inner presence of other people is foreign to me. Hence, it does not concern me and cannot dictate any duty to me. "We don’t care a bit about the torment of others; what have we in common with this torment?”…”My neighbor is nothing to me; there is not the slightest relationship between him and myself.”
These statements seem contradictory to Sade’s attitude in real life. It is obvious that if there were nothing in common between the tortures of the victims and the torturer, the latter would derive no pleasure from them. But what Sade is actually disputing is the a priori existence of a given relationship between myself and the other by which my behavior should be guided in the abstract. He does not deny the possibility of establishing such a relation: and if he rejects ethical recognition of other people founded on false notions of reciprocity and universality, it is in order to give himself the authority to destroy the concrete barriers of flesh which isolate human minds. [my bolding: J]
Each mind bears witness only for itself as to the value it attributes to itself and has no right to impose this value upon others. But it can, in a singular and vivid manner, demand recognition of such value in its acts. This is the course chosen by the criminal, who, by the violence of his self-assertion, becomes real for the other person and thereby also reveals the other as really existing….
It has been rightly pointed out that there is never any permanent bond among Sade’s libertines, that their relationship involves a constant tension. But the fact that Sade systematically makes selfishness triumph over friendship does not prevent him from endowing friendship with reality
… Group debauchery [for instance] produces genuine communion among Sade’s libertines. Each one perceives the meaning of his act and of his own figure through the minds of the others. I experience my own flesh in the flesh of another; then my fellow creatures really exist for me.
The shocking fact of coexistence eludes our thinking, but we can dispose of its mystery the way Alexander cut through the Gordian knot: we must set ourselves in it by acts. “What an enigma is man! –Yes, my friend, and that’s what made a very witty man say that it’s better to f… him than to understand him.”
Eroticism appears in Sade as a mode of communication, the only valid one. We might say, parodying Claudel, that in Sade, “the penis is the shortest path between two hearts.”
To sympathize with Sade too readily is to betray him. For it is our misery, subjection, and death that he desires. ….What he demands is that, in the struggle between irreconcilable existences, each one engage himself concretely in the name of his own existence.
He approves of the vendetta, but not of the courts. We may kill, but we may not judge. The pretensions of the judge are more arrogant than those of the tyrant; …the judge tries to erect his opinion into universal laws. His effort is based upon a lie. For every person is imprisoned in his own skin and cannot become the mediator between separate persons from whom he himself is separated.
… Sade’s immense merit lies in his taking a stand against these abstraction and alienations [laws, society, the public good]. No one was more passionately attached to the concrete than he. He never respected the ’everyone says’ with which mediocre minds lazily content themselves. He adhered only to the truths which were derived for the evidence of his own actual experience. Thus he went beyond the sensualism of his age and transformed it into an ethic of authenticity.
Summary and explanation from other writings. The other's sensations, esp. pain, have no particular meaning to us, or hold on us. The ways that commonplace morality attempt to coerce us into respecting them, are false. Reciprocity or golden rule is, so to speak, backwards: instead of the GR, one should do first to someone what that person might do to one.
"Do him before he does you."
Likewise false is the idea that there is some universal rule that obliges me, like 'Do not steal from others." There is no way to legislate for all, and such seeming attempts are disguised ways that the rich try to deter the poor from stealing from them.
Sade's opposition to laws about stealing and murder do not mean that he wished them to thrive. He endorses the approach of a king in an anecdote: the king is approached by a murderer and asked for a pardon. the king says, "I pardon you; but also the man's relative who comes after you and murders you."
For Sade it's a 'disadvantage' when the state takes over trial and punishment (Most thinkers view the state's taking over such matters as murder, a desired result, since the state is neutral.)
False: The state simply becomes cold blooded-- as in the use of the guillotine. These state murders are low, despicable.
Sade does not think friendship impossible, though, but there is always a 'tension'. Libertines may get together are orgies an help each other in the staging of them. (Share subs).
The most genuine connection among humans is fucking.
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From “Must We Burn Sade” by Simone de Beauvoir
It is here that Sade’s thinking proves to be extreme: the only thing that has truth for me is that which is enveloped in my own experience; the inner presence of other people is foreign to me. Hence, it does not concern me and cannot dictate any duty to me. "We don’t care a bit about the torment of others; what have we in common with this torment?”…”My neighbor is nothing to me; there is not the slightest relationship between him and myself.”
These statements seem contradictory to Sade’s attitude in real life. It is obvious that if there were nothing in common between the tortures of the victims and the torturer, the latter would derive no pleasure from them. But what Sade is actually disputing is the a priori existence of a given relationship between myself and the other by which my behavior should be guided in the abstract. He does not deny the possibility of establishing such a relation: and if he rejects ethical recognition of other people founded on false notions of reciprocity and universality, it is in order to give himself the authority to destroy the concrete barriers of flesh which isolate human minds. [my bolding: J]
Each mind bears witness only for itself as to the value it attributes to itself and has no right to impose this value upon others. But it can, in a singular and vivid manner, demand recognition of such value in its acts. This is the course chosen by the criminal, who, by the violence of his self-assertion, becomes real for the other person and thereby also reveals the other as really existing….
It has been rightly pointed out that there is never any permanent bond among Sade’s libertines, that their relationship involves a constant tension. But the fact that Sade systematically makes selfishness triumph over friendship does not prevent him from endowing friendship with reality
… Group debauchery [for instance] produces genuine communion among Sade’s libertines. Each one perceives the meaning of his act and of his own figure through the minds of the others. I experience my own flesh in the flesh of another; then my fellow creatures really exist for me.
The shocking fact of coexistence eludes our thinking, but we can dispose of its mystery the way Alexander cut through the Gordian knot: we must set ourselves in it by acts. “What an enigma is man! –Yes, my friend, and that’s what made a very witty man say that it’s better to f… him than to understand him.”
Eroticism appears in Sade as a mode of communication, the only valid one. We might say, parodying Claudel, that in Sade, “the penis is the shortest path between two hearts.”
To sympathize with Sade too readily is to betray him. For it is our misery, subjection, and death that he desires. ….What he demands is that, in the struggle between irreconcilable existences, each one engage himself concretely in the name of his own existence.
He approves of the vendetta, but not of the courts. We may kill, but we may not judge. The pretensions of the judge are more arrogant than those of the tyrant; …the judge tries to erect his opinion into universal laws. His effort is based upon a lie. For every person is imprisoned in his own skin and cannot become the mediator between separate persons from whom he himself is separated.
… Sade’s immense merit lies in his taking a stand against these abstraction and alienations [laws, society, the public good]. No one was more passionately attached to the concrete than he. He never respected the ’everyone says’ with which mediocre minds lazily content themselves. He adhered only to the truths which were derived for the evidence of his own actual experience. Thus he went beyond the sensualism of his age and transformed it into an ethic of authenticity.
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P. B. Walker
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Farewell
Now I'm a white supremacist?
brnsuga you are truely a delusional person. I now feel pity for you. You truely do need to seek help. In the past I have always thought your posts regarding anal sex were thoughtful and informative. However, lately, it seems that all you are concerned about is race issues, on a porn board no less. I haven't run the numbers, but I'm thinking about one third of your total posts are in regards to this issue. There are more than enough racial issues being discussed on the General Board (which BTW is where such issues belong), and yet, in your almost three and a half months with us, you have never made a post there, much less one regarding racial issues. I can see that you are very much concerned with racial issues, and I more than applaud you for that. I do disagree with how you are going about your crusade however, especially the continuous false accusations. I also happen to feel that you are, above all else, an extremely close-minded hypocrite, but more on that later. I truely am sorry that we will not be able to resolve this issue, or at least reach some sort of truce. It is clearly obvious that you have pre-judged me (and I'm sure many other non-black persons) and nothing I say or do will alter your thinking.
Pure, you are clearly the King of the Nit-pick. Why we ever got into arguing that my post to CBM did not contain insults, I do not know. I have to admit, I was reading your post, and my inner mind was just saying "Blah, blah, blah... blah... blah blah blah blah... blah blah... blah blah blah..." I clearly kept stating that my post to CBM had insults in it, was meant to insult, and did contain a slur or two (but not racial slurs) and you have repeatedly made posts to argue the SAME exact thing I just stated. I congratulate you on a job well done. Well, I take that back. The part about the creampies in your latest post, your discussion was truely moronic. You like candor. Here is candor. I have never hid my feelings about what I think of CBM as a person. I think that is clear. My post to him was meant to be an insult. However, it was not, in any way, shape or form, intended to be racial. I can only say that so many times. Either you believe me or you don't. If you don't, then I guess we no longer have anything to discuss.
To both of you, I have yet to see either of your explanations for why CBM's words a few days ago were not hate speech. Instead, I note repeated refusals by you both to even discuss it. I think in the end, you actually agree with me, but just can't bring yourselves to admit it. That is fine, have your double standard. You are both going a very long way to defend CBM's behavior, which has been much, much worse than mine. I will also give you a brief display of his behavior just so you, and all the kids at home, can understand the kind of person you are both defending. And by not speaking out against such behavior, it's clearly obvious that you agree with it. Quite hypocritical and close-minded.
I have never had to nor wanted to put anyone from this site on ignore. But, for both my sanity and that of the other board members, I am now placing CBM, brnsuga and pure on my ignore list. I have no doubt that I will be roasted good in my absence. Einstein once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It's become clear to me that it is quite insane to argue with either of these delusional, close-minded hypocrites. I see no reason to continue this with the two of you and bring this forum down further.
I will also be taking a "time-out" break from this one forum on Literotica, for how long, I do not know. You can go see the thread started by MissTaken, titled So, what do ya think? No, really!, if anyone would like to hear more about this and why I am doing it. I feel it is for the best for the time being. But anyhoo, onto some other things.
So far you have both prophesied about me based solely on a small piece of circumstancial evidence and then turned around and beat your chests proclaiming how intelligent you are, while attempting to demean my intelligence (and many other things). No concrete proof has yet to be set forth, which is because none exists. No concrete proof, or even a lame attempt at an explanation, has yet to be offered for CBM's racist hate speech.
So before I depart, I will offer up a real proof as well as several rebuttals to brnsuga's latest round of tripe. I have also been clearly painted as an evil archvillian who deserves your contempt and spite, therefore I will present a few juicy nuggets that should show just how much of a bad bad man I truely am, at least compared to the other posters here.
First, the tired rubbish from brnsuga:
Wow, you have kinda gone off the deep end now. Please go look at some white supremacy speech and link it back for us. I would love to see your proof that this is actually how a white supremacist acts. I think we all know you cannot show this proof. Because it's total bullshit. A white supremacist would not a) show regret, b) say sorry, c) care what you think, d) discuss their intent, e) care what is acceptable, f) ever call the subject closed. You clearly have no clue. White supremacist are one of the most vile forms of human beings on the planet and your statement clearly shows you have no clue what they say or do. Please go read Hanns_schmidt on the General Board and you will then know a white supremacist. I used to have a little respect for your thoughfulness, but after this passage, I have to seriously question your mental stability. If anything, the actions you describe above, are the actions of a person falsely accused and clearly pissed off about said false accusation.
Great internal dialogue, although the driving example isn't that great. But guess what? That applies to everyone on the planet, not just white people and not just about black people. We all have our life experiences, preconceived notions, and general bullshit ideas that we get from television, movies, books, the news, and what-not. I am quite sure that the majority of people here have had such an internal dialogue many, many years ago. It's part of the natural process of becoming an adult and accepting your actions and the world around you. I have no doubts you have had your own internal dialogue along the lines of "That damn cracker cut me off! What does he think? He owns the road and deserves to go in front of me?", you being such an enlightened person and all.
But I have to ask, does taking something circumstantial that I said, blowing it totally out of proportion, and attacking me (in several ways) help to get people here to have this kind of internal dialogue? Mmm, I highly doubt it. If anything, all the arguing has driven them away. I also doubt that pushing it on them in this manner is going to cause them to change their ways. I notice you also imply that the only racism of importance is white people being racist against black people. Lame.
What is even more disturbing is that you have laid the blame solely on the shoulders of the white members of the board. Your statements clearly show what you think: Only white people are racists. Because we are white, we are inherently racist. Because we are white, we are the people that have to change. Because we are white, we are to blame. Because we are white, it is our fault. You have just labeled all the white posters in this forum as racists. It also shows that you have a preconceived notion that we white people have to be racists. Which in itself shows that you are also racist. Personally, I find views like yours do nothing to help stop racism, but rather continue the trend, possibly even making it worse.
I also noticed that your agenda seems to be coming out more and more as time goes on. I have to ask, how does all of this relate to BDSM? Why do you not take this to the General Board? I have a feeling it is because those debating awards wouldn't amount to jack when faced with the level of debaters you would face over there. And sadly, the people that are really the problem, exist there. This is very much like you standing in front of a burning house, and aiming the water hose at the untouched mailbox at the end of the driveway.
Lamest quip I've ever heard. And you call yourself a debater. Nice ASSumption. You assume that I left to begin the BJ. Who said I wasn't having my knob polished by a slobbering mouth while typing up my post and that I was being a gentleman by departing before filling her gullet with my creamy sauce? What is so wrong with a 6 minute blowjob/face-fuck? Never had a quickie? Did I not imply that I was off to perform a Domly act? If that were the case, would I have cared about pleasing her? Or maybe she had yet to earn her release for the day. Or maybe there was no girl at all, nor antechamber and it was all just a joke. Duh. If you had bothered to notice, I continued to post for quite a while. So, yet again (this is becoming a habit with you) you make a huge assumption and go off the deep end with it.
This is your very first post following my initial post toward CBM.
Your Posit: You appear to have suggested that CBM get off of welfare because his name indicates that he is a person of color.
Fact: The majority of people on welfare in this country has always been white people.
Supporting Fact: I have many friends who are people of color and none of them or their ancestors have ever been on welfare.
Definition: racism, 1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So for your posit to be true that I am in fact racist (at least according to the definition, and not your prejudice) then the majority of people on welfare would have to be black and I would have to make the judgement that CBM is lazy and should get off welfare based on the fact that the majority of people on welfare are black. But since I could not have made that judgement based on the fact that the majority of people on welfare are black, because they are white, then my statement isn't racist. Based on the facts and the definition, in order for my statement to be racist, then CBM would have to be white.
Now, you and others may ask why I have added this quote. Sorry Marquis for dragging you into this, but you did make a comment on it. Also, Pure felt it necessary to drag you into this a few days ago. I wanted to point out the section highlighted in purple. A person that we all can agree is a level headed and very intelligent finds it odd that I would pick up on this one generalization. It is odd. It makes more sense that if I were actually being racist, this is not the slur I would have chosen. I think this more than lends credibility to my explanation I made right after this accusation by brnsuga, that being that I did not make this statement with his race in mind. And as Marquis points out, this doesn't fall into the category of a tasteless joke regarding his race.
Add to this my heartfelt explanation, which you outright refuse to accept based solely on your prejudice. There is a pattern forming. One, the facts support me. The explanation supports me. Your lack of support for CBM's racist statement supports me.
So, let's continue. Pure seems to think that insulting other posters and using a few slurs supports me being a racist. Here are a few posts from your two favorite posters that have been very informative to me, and hopefully will be to all the kids at home. I will try to highlight the insults in blue and the slurs in red. I guess I am not the only archvillian.
Insult: has sex with animals.
Slur: white people have little dicks.
I'll just lump the rest of this all together.
And, of course, just to show you, and all the other kids at home, just exactly how mentally unstable your good buddy CBM and co-racist is, let's have a look at these tidbits. I have highlighted my favorite in purple.
Truely scary and delusional. And you both defend him and his racism. Why are you both not stomping his guts out? Why have you not preaching to him about his blatant racism, not just at other races, but at his own race?!?! Hypocrites!
Away, and mock the time with fairest show;
False face must hide what the false heart doth know.
- William Shakespeare, Macbeth
Am I the only one that thinks of CBM as a racist? Aside from the mountain of proof I have shown here, who else would you believe? How about this person:
And if you think that is an isolated quote, think again, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Go read a longer post here: Marquis comments further on CBM
I will now conclude with an interesting note. I hold Ebonyfire in very high regard and respect her immensely. She has more class, grace, life experience, and general intelligence than I'll ever dream of having. We butted heads when I first came here, but since then, we have become what I would describe as very strong friends. I will point you toward her recent comments regarding who she has put on ignore (CBM) and why. I have learned a valuable lesson from her today; ignore is there for a reason. I apologize for bringing her name into this as well.
brnsuga, since this will be my last message to you I will leave you with this message: I hope that if you do decide to continue this discussion (on your own of course), you will take it to the appropriate forum and not bring this forum down further.
Good day and good health to all.
PBW
Now I'm a white supremacist?
brnsuga you are truely a delusional person. I now feel pity for you. You truely do need to seek help. In the past I have always thought your posts regarding anal sex were thoughtful and informative. However, lately, it seems that all you are concerned about is race issues, on a porn board no less. I haven't run the numbers, but I'm thinking about one third of your total posts are in regards to this issue. There are more than enough racial issues being discussed on the General Board (which BTW is where such issues belong), and yet, in your almost three and a half months with us, you have never made a post there, much less one regarding racial issues. I can see that you are very much concerned with racial issues, and I more than applaud you for that. I do disagree with how you are going about your crusade however, especially the continuous false accusations. I also happen to feel that you are, above all else, an extremely close-minded hypocrite, but more on that later. I truely am sorry that we will not be able to resolve this issue, or at least reach some sort of truce. It is clearly obvious that you have pre-judged me (and I'm sure many other non-black persons) and nothing I say or do will alter your thinking.
Pure, you are clearly the King of the Nit-pick. Why we ever got into arguing that my post to CBM did not contain insults, I do not know. I have to admit, I was reading your post, and my inner mind was just saying "Blah, blah, blah... blah... blah blah blah blah... blah blah... blah blah blah..." I clearly kept stating that my post to CBM had insults in it, was meant to insult, and did contain a slur or two (but not racial slurs) and you have repeatedly made posts to argue the SAME exact thing I just stated. I congratulate you on a job well done. Well, I take that back. The part about the creampies in your latest post, your discussion was truely moronic. You like candor. Here is candor. I have never hid my feelings about what I think of CBM as a person. I think that is clear. My post to him was meant to be an insult. However, it was not, in any way, shape or form, intended to be racial. I can only say that so many times. Either you believe me or you don't. If you don't, then I guess we no longer have anything to discuss.
To both of you, I have yet to see either of your explanations for why CBM's words a few days ago were not hate speech. Instead, I note repeated refusals by you both to even discuss it. I think in the end, you actually agree with me, but just can't bring yourselves to admit it. That is fine, have your double standard. You are both going a very long way to defend CBM's behavior, which has been much, much worse than mine. I will also give you a brief display of his behavior just so you, and all the kids at home, can understand the kind of person you are both defending. And by not speaking out against such behavior, it's clearly obvious that you agree with it. Quite hypocritical and close-minded.
I have never had to nor wanted to put anyone from this site on ignore. But, for both my sanity and that of the other board members, I am now placing CBM, brnsuga and pure on my ignore list. I have no doubt that I will be roasted good in my absence. Einstein once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It's become clear to me that it is quite insane to argue with either of these delusional, close-minded hypocrites. I see no reason to continue this with the two of you and bring this forum down further.
I will also be taking a "time-out" break from this one forum on Literotica, for how long, I do not know. You can go see the thread started by MissTaken, titled So, what do ya think? No, really!, if anyone would like to hear more about this and why I am doing it. I feel it is for the best for the time being. But anyhoo, onto some other things.
So far you have both prophesied about me based solely on a small piece of circumstancial evidence and then turned around and beat your chests proclaiming how intelligent you are, while attempting to demean my intelligence (and many other things). No concrete proof has yet to be set forth, which is because none exists. No concrete proof, or even a lame attempt at an explanation, has yet to be offered for CBM's racist hate speech.
So before I depart, I will offer up a real proof as well as several rebuttals to brnsuga's latest round of tripe. I have also been clearly painted as an evil archvillian who deserves your contempt and spite, therefore I will present a few juicy nuggets that should show just how much of a bad bad man I truely am, at least compared to the other posters here.
First, the tired rubbish from brnsuga:
Wow, you have kinda gone off the deep end now. Please go look at some white supremacy speech and link it back for us. I would love to see your proof that this is actually how a white supremacist acts. I think we all know you cannot show this proof. Because it's total bullshit. A white supremacist would not a) show regret, b) say sorry, c) care what you think, d) discuss their intent, e) care what is acceptable, f) ever call the subject closed. You clearly have no clue. White supremacist are one of the most vile forms of human beings on the planet and your statement clearly shows you have no clue what they say or do. Please go read Hanns_schmidt on the General Board and you will then know a white supremacist. I used to have a little respect for your thoughfulness, but after this passage, I have to seriously question your mental stability. If anything, the actions you describe above, are the actions of a person falsely accused and clearly pissed off about said false accusation.
Great internal dialogue, although the driving example isn't that great. But guess what? That applies to everyone on the planet, not just white people and not just about black people. We all have our life experiences, preconceived notions, and general bullshit ideas that we get from television, movies, books, the news, and what-not. I am quite sure that the majority of people here have had such an internal dialogue many, many years ago. It's part of the natural process of becoming an adult and accepting your actions and the world around you. I have no doubts you have had your own internal dialogue along the lines of "That damn cracker cut me off! What does he think? He owns the road and deserves to go in front of me?", you being such an enlightened person and all.
But I have to ask, does taking something circumstantial that I said, blowing it totally out of proportion, and attacking me (in several ways) help to get people here to have this kind of internal dialogue? Mmm, I highly doubt it. If anything, all the arguing has driven them away. I also doubt that pushing it on them in this manner is going to cause them to change their ways. I notice you also imply that the only racism of importance is white people being racist against black people. Lame.
What is even more disturbing is that you have laid the blame solely on the shoulders of the white members of the board. Your statements clearly show what you think: Only white people are racists. Because we are white, we are inherently racist. Because we are white, we are the people that have to change. Because we are white, we are to blame. Because we are white, it is our fault. You have just labeled all the white posters in this forum as racists. It also shows that you have a preconceived notion that we white people have to be racists. Which in itself shows that you are also racist. Personally, I find views like yours do nothing to help stop racism, but rather continue the trend, possibly even making it worse.
I also noticed that your agenda seems to be coming out more and more as time goes on. I have to ask, how does all of this relate to BDSM? Why do you not take this to the General Board? I have a feeling it is because those debating awards wouldn't amount to jack when faced with the level of debaters you would face over there. And sadly, the people that are really the problem, exist there. This is very much like you standing in front of a burning house, and aiming the water hose at the untouched mailbox at the end of the driveway.
Lamest quip I've ever heard. And you call yourself a debater. Nice ASSumption. You assume that I left to begin the BJ. Who said I wasn't having my knob polished by a slobbering mouth while typing up my post and that I was being a gentleman by departing before filling her gullet with my creamy sauce? What is so wrong with a 6 minute blowjob/face-fuck? Never had a quickie? Did I not imply that I was off to perform a Domly act? If that were the case, would I have cared about pleasing her? Or maybe she had yet to earn her release for the day. Or maybe there was no girl at all, nor antechamber and it was all just a joke. Duh. If you had bothered to notice, I continued to post for quite a while. So, yet again (this is becoming a habit with you) you make a huge assumption and go off the deep end with it.
This is your very first post following my initial post toward CBM.
Your Posit: You appear to have suggested that CBM get off of welfare because his name indicates that he is a person of color.
Fact: The majority of people on welfare in this country has always been white people.
Supporting Fact: I have many friends who are people of color and none of them or their ancestors have ever been on welfare.
Definition: racism, 1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
So for your posit to be true that I am in fact racist (at least according to the definition, and not your prejudice) then the majority of people on welfare would have to be black and I would have to make the judgement that CBM is lazy and should get off welfare based on the fact that the majority of people on welfare are black. But since I could not have made that judgement based on the fact that the majority of people on welfare are black, because they are white, then my statement isn't racist. Based on the facts and the definition, in order for my statement to be racist, then CBM would have to be white.
Now, you and others may ask why I have added this quote. Sorry Marquis for dragging you into this, but you did make a comment on it. Also, Pure felt it necessary to drag you into this a few days ago. I wanted to point out the section highlighted in purple. A person that we all can agree is a level headed and very intelligent finds it odd that I would pick up on this one generalization. It is odd. It makes more sense that if I were actually being racist, this is not the slur I would have chosen. I think this more than lends credibility to my explanation I made right after this accusation by brnsuga, that being that I did not make this statement with his race in mind. And as Marquis points out, this doesn't fall into the category of a tasteless joke regarding his race.
Add to this my heartfelt explanation, which you outright refuse to accept based solely on your prejudice. There is a pattern forming. One, the facts support me. The explanation supports me. Your lack of support for CBM's racist statement supports me.
So, let's continue. Pure seems to think that insulting other posters and using a few slurs supports me being a racist. Here are a few posts from your two favorite posters that have been very informative to me, and hopefully will be to all the kids at home. I will try to highlight the insults in blue and the slurs in red. I guess I am not the only archvillian.
Insult: has sex with animals.
Slur: white people have little dicks.
I'll just lump the rest of this all together.
Quite the display, huh? Sorry, Pure, I didn't bother with your posts. I do seem to remember you calling me a cracker and a few other slurs. Of course, you were joking though. Right? Mmmhhmm.
And, of course, just to show you, and all the other kids at home, just exactly how mentally unstable your good buddy CBM and co-racist is, let's have a look at these tidbits. I have highlighted my favorite in purple.
Truely scary and delusional. And you both defend him and his racism. Why are you both not stomping his guts out? Why have you not preaching to him about his blatant racism, not just at other races, but at his own race?!?! Hypocrites!
Away, and mock the time with fairest show;
False face must hide what the false heart doth know.
- William Shakespeare, Macbeth
Am I the only one that thinks of CBM as a racist? Aside from the mountain of proof I have shown here, who else would you believe? How about this person:
And if you think that is an isolated quote, think again, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Go read a longer post here: Marquis comments further on CBM
I will now conclude with an interesting note. I hold Ebonyfire in very high regard and respect her immensely. She has more class, grace, life experience, and general intelligence than I'll ever dream of having. We butted heads when I first came here, but since then, we have become what I would describe as very strong friends. I will point you toward her recent comments regarding who she has put on ignore (CBM) and why. I have learned a valuable lesson from her today; ignore is there for a reason. I apologize for bringing her name into this as well.
brnsuga, since this will be my last message to you I will leave you with this message: I hope that if you do decide to continue this discussion (on your own of course), you will take it to the appropriate forum and not bring this forum down further.
Good day and good health to all.
PBW
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OK, folks, the making, analyzing, posting, re-posting of not so imaginative insults is getting bo-ring. I'm not blameless, of course. Let's move on. In the absence of moderator action, the best remedy is simply to ignore crap--damned hard to do sometimes, but still the best.
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Lancecastor
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I like going to a tanning salon this time of year, as we don't get much sunlight here in the winter.
I like a nice healthy tan...not just on myself, but also in particular on the flesh of a curvaceous submissive woman. Ahhhh.....an oiled tan butt up high, ready to receive communion...
But I'm worried....does this make me a racist, or a George Hamilton Supremacist?
Signed
Confused White Dominant Male
I like a nice healthy tan...not just on myself, but also in particular on the flesh of a curvaceous submissive woman. Ahhhh.....an oiled tan butt up high, ready to receive communion...
But I'm worried....does this make me a racist, or a George Hamilton Supremacist?
Signed
Confused White Dominant Male
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Lance said,
I like going to a tanning salon this time of year, as we don't get much sunlight here in the winter.
I like a nice healthy tan...not just on myself, but also in particular on the flesh of a curvaceous submissive woman. Ahhhh.....an oiled tan butt up high, ready to receive communion...
But I'm worried....does this make me a racist, or a George Hamilton Supremacist?
Signed
Confused White Dominant Male
As chief rabbi and member pro tem of the anti-racism tribunal, it's my duty to inform you that the tribunal is temporarily in recess to allow perversions to be attended to. One member is rendering due service to a Black pussy, another is taking the staff of life in the manner of the Marquis, and another is getting his finger sucked off in the building lobby. Others are digging out their parts, from parts unknown--I'm referring to the recent storm in the East.
Best,
J.
PS Speaking of asses, there has seldom been a finer brown one, than posted by {correction CBM} , 12-04, on page one of this thread: ava04100.
J.
I like going to a tanning salon this time of year, as we don't get much sunlight here in the winter.
I like a nice healthy tan...not just on myself, but also in particular on the flesh of a curvaceous submissive woman. Ahhhh.....an oiled tan butt up high, ready to receive communion...
But I'm worried....does this make me a racist, or a George Hamilton Supremacist?
Signed
Confused White Dominant Male
As chief rabbi and member pro tem of the anti-racism tribunal, it's my duty to inform you that the tribunal is temporarily in recess to allow perversions to be attended to. One member is rendering due service to a Black pussy, another is taking the staff of life in the manner of the Marquis, and another is getting his finger sucked off in the building lobby. Others are digging out their parts, from parts unknown--I'm referring to the recent storm in the East.
Best,
J.
PS Speaking of asses, there has seldom been a finer brown one, than posted by {correction CBM} , 12-04, on page one of this thread: ava04100.
J.
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Pure said:
Bravo, Pure!
Besides, I was unable to get very far in PBW's convoluted collection of drivel and I'm glad he took flight so I will not need to respond to him. The conversation about race took place on this thread only because it was on this thread that PBW felt he had enough credibility to actually accuse someone else of racism. If he had posted his accusation on the General Board (where HE says this type of comment belongs) then I never would have seen it in the first place!
According to my PM's, many people of color have a decidedly different experience on Lit than do their white counterparts. There are actually posters who purposely do not reveal their skincolor to other posters for fear of having to put up with the type of behavior we have observed recently. It's like having to pretend you are white in order to get a brief respite from how the real world prejudges you based on your color. And that is a shame.
Peace & Luv,
brnsuga
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AnelizeDarkEyes
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I am so over all this BULLSHIT. Take it to the general board and can we please get back to BDSM? DAMN.
<sigh>
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Pure said:
Who is CBW? Was there a transporter accident that fused PBW and myself without my knowledge?
Apropos of ava04100.jpg, it is indeed nice round booty, and admittedly it's especially pertinent to this thread, but I've posted images of much more magnificent asses than that. Unfortunately, most of those pics have been removed. To my knowledge I have never seen so lovely an ass as the one depicted below, be it brown, white or otherwise.
http://home.earthlink.net/~psterr2001/images/big_booty_sistas_ass035.jpg
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AnelizeDarkEyes said:
In an attempt to cut short this exchange with PBW, I have repeatedly made requests for some posts about some good old down and dirty sex and bondage.
I do however find it a bit curious that I have seen long series of posts and many threads here which have TOTALLY no relationship to BDSM or sex of any kind. It was on this very thread, I believe, that I had to suffer through what seemed like 20 or 30 boring posts about that fucking Lord Of The Rings movie [no offense intended to the LOTR posters because I believe the quality of the board improves when posters feel free to go where the spirit takes them]. These posters who are self-appointed "BDSM thought police" are not very consistent in their attempts to banish topics from the BDSM Board. I wonder why...
EDIT: I just read your post, Miss T. I have appreciated your forebearance while allowing several of us to respond to a topic raised by a poster who has now moved on. Now, on with the sex, preferably anal, and bondage!
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brnsuga said:
Preferably with my tongue.
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Sade /Beauvoir cruelty
Here is another excerpt of some relevance. However if there is no response or interest in these items, I will discontinue.
From "Must We Burn Sade", by S. de Beauvoir:
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The fact is that the original intuition which lies at the basis of Sade’s entire sexuality, and hence his ethic, is the fundamental identity of coition and cruelty. “Would the paroxysm of pleasure be a kind of madness if the mother of the human race [Nature] had not intended that anger and the sexual act express themselves in the same way? What able bodied man … does not wish to bedevil his ecstasy?”
… According to Rose Keller’s*** testimony, Sade himself “began to shriek very loud and fearfully” before cutting the cords which immobilized his victim. The Vanilla and Manilla letter** proves that he experienced orgasm as if it were an epileptic seizure, something aggressive and murderous, like a fit of rage.
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**A letter to his wife requesting and directing the making of dildos to be conveyed to him in prison.
***A prostitute, iirc; a young woman who testifies against him at one of his trials for, iirc, excessive debauchery.
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summary: The sex act is basically linked with cruelty, and Nature set it up that way, as shown by the fact that the extreme of orgasmic pleasure and extreme anger have similar expression.
Sade's orgasm resembled an epileptic seizure.
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J.
Here is another excerpt of some relevance. However if there is no response or interest in these items, I will discontinue.
From "Must We Burn Sade", by S. de Beauvoir:
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The fact is that the original intuition which lies at the basis of Sade’s entire sexuality, and hence his ethic, is the fundamental identity of coition and cruelty. “Would the paroxysm of pleasure be a kind of madness if the mother of the human race [Nature] had not intended that anger and the sexual act express themselves in the same way? What able bodied man … does not wish to bedevil his ecstasy?”
… According to Rose Keller’s*** testimony, Sade himself “began to shriek very loud and fearfully” before cutting the cords which immobilized his victim. The Vanilla and Manilla letter** proves that he experienced orgasm as if it were an epileptic seizure, something aggressive and murderous, like a fit of rage.
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**A letter to his wife requesting and directing the making of dildos to be conveyed to him in prison.
***A prostitute, iirc; a young woman who testifies against him at one of his trials for, iirc, excessive debauchery.
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summary: The sex act is basically linked with cruelty, and Nature set it up that way, as shown by the fact that the extreme of orgasmic pleasure and extreme anger have similar expression.
Sade's orgasm resembled an epileptic seizure.
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pierced_boy
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On de Sade and orgasm
It seems to me J that there are many possiblities and that those excepts you have provided us with reflect only a monority woops minority. I will leave tha typo there, iy could be a good word to use latter
If we all experence things such as "proves that he experienced orgasm as if it were an epileptic seizure, something aggressive and murderous, like a fit of rage." then it is hard to see how we continue as a race. we would bed all dead from orgasm induced pyschotic behaviour and well.
What I can see is that orgasm indeed the sexual act is one of the most primitive acts we have( though most refine it for recreational purposes) as humans. It is said by biologists that pelvic thrusting during orgasm is the last vestage of instinctive behaviour. Now I wont try to defend that because I don't know but it seems possible.
Personaly sexual release can be many things and sometimes I growl but I never feel murderous. Just me, de sade was obviously different . Was his experence the mean or some extreme. I think the latter.
H
It seems to me J that there are many possiblities and that those excepts you have provided us with reflect only a monority woops minority. I will leave tha typo there, iy could be a good word to use latter
If we all experence things such as "proves that he experienced orgasm as if it were an epileptic seizure, something aggressive and murderous, like a fit of rage." then it is hard to see how we continue as a race. we would bed all dead from orgasm induced pyschotic behaviour and well.
What I can see is that orgasm indeed the sexual act is one of the most primitive acts we have( though most refine it for recreational purposes) as humans. It is said by biologists that pelvic thrusting during orgasm is the last vestage of instinctive behaviour. Now I wont try to defend that because I don't know but it seems possible.
Personaly sexual release can be many things and sometimes I growl but I never feel murderous. Just me, de sade was obviously different . Was his experence the mean or some extreme. I think the latter.
H
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