Top-opolis

[P. B. Walker]

Just like the energizer bunny aren't ya brnsuga, just keep on ticking and ticking, even when you have no real ground to stand on. You've taken a slightly questionable statement by me and blown it up into a huge deal, even after I have clearly explained my meaning. Then I point out a BLATANT racial statement and you 1) can't seem to accept it and 2) can't seem to take it serious since it came from me. Maybe you are too stubborn and proud to admit it. So now you are resorting to insulting my intelligence, patriotism, sexuality (previously), integrity (previously), and now that I go look back, my race also. None of which has any bearing on the issue at hand. And during it all, trying to shove it down my throat that you've won numerous debating awards. Poor widdle ole me quit the debating team after 2 weeks. Mmmm... I thinks me sees the reason now. A little too proud are we? Still fighting for that medal? Guess what, they don't give them out here at Literotica.

For someone with such a big chip on her shoulder, I'm surprised you are not over on the GB telling Hanns_Schmidt/4laterer/etc how racist they are. Or are they too racist for you to comment on? Orrrrrrrr.... maybe you can't debate with the big boys. Mmmm. For that manner why do you not comment on CBM's well documented racism? Pure's comments on how 3 out of 4 black people here (don't get me started on those numbers, or who is #4... I musta missed the 2003 Literotica consensus) have felt racism, but yet you spend all this time yammering about a small comment I made (which btw still can't be proven to be racist) and I have yet to see you attack ANY of the people that make blatant, sickening racist remarks on this website on a daily, if not hourly basis. Now that, is what I call quackish. It clearly points out that you have a "thing" for me and me only, otherwise I would be very low on your list of targets to abuse. So I don't think for one second that you are arguing about this for racism. I also have to wonder about the fact that I am a daily poster here, and you only seem to show up when it's convenient to one particular poster. Well, shucks, I think I just found myself a conspiracy theory. Lessee, 47 posts over almost 3 months, 15.7 post per month, 0.65 per day...registered less than 3 months after a particular poster... lurker? I think not.

So onto your comments and hopefully we can let this go, unless maybe you have some more cute sayings.

There is an ancient saying which is relevant to the proclamation you made above. It goes something like this:

"It is better to let other people THINK you don't know anything than to open your mouth and CONFIRM it".

Nice little saying you found there. Doesn't relate to the proclamation I made, but then, not much else that you say relates either. Proclaiming myself an ass and/or prick has nothing to do with my intelligence. Or am I not comprehending what you are saying again? And here you are the one with the debating awards. You are doing a bang up job so far. I again applaud you and bow to your numerous awards.

Originally posted by brnsuga
First, as a point of clarification, I am far from the patriot you characterized me to be. I was saying that I loved this country in the same way that I love all civilized societies. Just as I would never ask God to bless only one member of my family, I would never say "God Bless America" . Instead I say "God Bless the World".

Ok. Well, I guess the good thing is that you at least do not hate the country and it's people. Small steps.

Originally posted by brnsuga
You say you disapprove of slurs; Pure proves that you use slurs; You respond by saying it's OK to accuse a person of being gay. This response was a total nonsequitur - the topic was not whether you support homosexuality, the topic was whether you support the usage of slurs, specifically referring to your use of the term faggot. )

Dohhhh... you almost had it. A whole post without twisting my words. Damn. I was gonna congratulate you too. I stated I disapproved of racial slurs. There is a distinction to me. You will probably say there is not. Whatever. I feel that a slur is the use of a word in a way that demeans, disparages, or insults in a hateful way. Clearly a racial slur fits that definition. Does the word "faggot" fit that definition? Yes and no. I think it depends on it's usage. If a gay-basher runs out in the street and starts hitting a gay man with a bat, screaming "faggot" the whole time, then clearly it's a slur. Two gay men jokingly referring to each other as faggots is clearly not a slur. So does my heartfelt declaration of my belief that CBM is a homosexual when I have no anti-gay feelings make it a slur? I argue that it does not since it is clearly not used in a hateful way. Poor taste? Harsh? Bad manners? Could I have used a different word? Yeah I agree with all that. I still have yet to hear your argument on how that makes me a racist. So, I post in poor taste in the heat of the moment. Sue me. So anyhoo... did I use a slur, I argue no. BTW: non sequitur is two words.

And as for me being deceptive about this racial slur issue, I've explained time and time again that I'm not, but obviously you can't or won't accept it. That seems to be a pattern with you: get a valid response from someone that doesn't fit into your agenda so you act childish and refuse to accept them at their word. So be it. I don't care to play footsies with you, nor be called a liar repeatedly.

Perplexed and troubled at his bad success
The Tempter stood, nor had what to reply,
Discovered in his fraud, thrown from his hope.
- John Milton, Paradise Regained


Editted: Completely bafugled the shit outta my numbers in that conspiracy theory. I was working on something for next year and then this theory hit me and I thought it was too funny and far fetched not to post.

 

[Pure]

PDE

This lady you say, has issues with Partial Differential Equations?

Were you able to help?

That's the result of my google search, and it's got me wondering if you're not into the babes of higher class that the usual lewd vamps you speak of.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Originally posted by Pure
Hey PBW, that's kinda cute. Some sort of zen technique in those blind swordsman movies when the sword guy comes out and bumbles around, crashing into things, giving an impression of utter clumsiness. You said,

Oohhhmmm.... Oohhhmmm.... Oohhhmmm.... Oohhhmmm....

Originally posted by Pure
You want to focus only on 'racial slurs' and maybe you don't mind 'reading' (=making) 'curse words and other such put-downs'

Yes I believe I said that, but whatever.

Originally posted by Pure
It's intended to be uncomplimentary, no? such words as 'blob of shit', 'puke'. All terms appear to be such. We infer they are intended as such, esp, knowing there to be a fit of temper.

Well I definitely wasn't kissing his pucker. Last time I checked, it is still allowable to show your displeasure for another poster.

Originally posted by Pure
So it's clear that 'faggot' is uncomplimentary, and if we weren't sure, 'cocksucker' is there. It's clearly a homophobic slur, not merely a 'curse word' or 'put down.'

I covered the term faggot in a previous post. Damn, the word cocksucker is one of my favorite curse words. I suppose in the world of nit-pick, cocksucker can be seen as a slur, depending on how you use it. I truthfully intended to use it as a curseword/put-down, rather than a homosexual slur, but that is obviously debatable. Do I apologize to him for using it? Not a chance. Will I apologize to you all if your fragile sensibilities were damaged. Sure. Since you brought it up, I have to infer that yours were. So therefore, Pure, I do sincerely apologize for my use of the word cocksucker in my message to CBM. I promise to refrain from using it in this public forum in the future.

Originally posted by Pure
So 'retard' too is set out there as uncomplimentary; it's a standard 6th grade insult. You thus slur the retarded.

By the definition of slur, I have to disagree with this. I do not use it in a hateful manner, nor a demeaning manner toward the mentally impaired. Do I feel that CBM is mental impaired, yes, wholeheartedly. I think he should see help immediately.

Originally posted by Pure
Let's look at the list according to activities
The traitor betrays his country; the cocksucker, sucks cock, etc.

So we've got a parallel series of what you set out as despicable and low-life acts:

Betraying country, sucking cock, "serving for Osama," and (original quote) "you jack off thinking of Arab creampie."

Sucking cock is like betraying country, in the equation. Low.
So there's a homophobic slur.

Jacking off thinking of Arab creampie is, on the list, also like betraying country and connected to the accusation of serving Osama.

This is a whole bunch of word twisting, assumptions, ill drawn conclusions, and well... and load of shit. JMHO.

Originally posted by Pure
Jacking off is set out as an insult to the person, who's also called 'pussy' and 'dickless'.

Well, Pure, that was kind of the point of the whole message, to insult. I'm sorry but I'm not apologizing for that, nor does that make me a racist, and a user of the "slur". Ooooooh the slurrrr.

Originally posted by Pure
Now we ask, why the phrase "Arab creampie". Why didn't the speaker just say, 'thinking of a Playboy centrefolds' creampie"? or "thinking of Jenna J's creampie" It's got to be that Arab creampie, is set out by the speaker as a low, if not the lowest thing. You're indicating that fellow eats the lowest of creampie, and that, for you, is an Arab one.

So you insult Arab women, not just the j.o. who thinks of them.
That is a racial slur, regardless of the fact that the term "Arab" is not itself a slur. Compare, if I were--hypothetically-- to call you, "A dim-wit Caucasian cum-sucker."

Actually, this is far from the truth. I read his words. He hates everything American. He has named us all the new nazi race and dubbed George Bush as the new Hitler, our leader. We are all murderers and our goal is genocide to him. So obviously he must want to go to them. He must dream about them. Think about the Arab women. Prize them highly. I'm sure he strokes his cock thinking about them. I would say that is high praise, taking the time to think about them and stroke to them. This is far from an insult to Arab women. If anything it just shows how pathetic CBM is. In my mind, if he wants to be with them so much, who are we to stop him. Go, be my guest, join them.

Originally posted by Pure
So we're back to decorum, fairness, respect--about which you sometimes profess great dedication. Then in a fit of temper--for which you've never apologized**-- you blow it sky high. No doubt some mysterious lesson you're trying to convey about the transience of worldly glory.

Uhh... Pure, where do you see me going off on starting a new decorum for the forum? Where do you see me proclaiming such great dedication to decorum, fairness and respect? I do what I think is right. Pretty simple.

I felt it was not right for CBM to use a racial slur. So, I asked everyone else if they thought CBM's words were hate speech. Apparently, they were not. Then MissT explain Lit's policy toward hate speech. I meerly said I didn't like said policy, and that I would just have to get over it and deal with it. What is the difficulty here? Is it unacceptable for me to have a problem with racial slurs? You and brnsuga take one statement by me, which is so very far from being a racist comment, and call me a hypocrite. That is just total BS. And after all this nit-picking, I used one bad word, cocksucker. Pfffth.

So after all this time, and one "cocksucker" later, we are left with you two siding and defending the one avowed American hater, the abundantly documented racists, and the real user of racial slurs. I have to wonder where your priorities are and why you feel the need to defend his use of the racial slurs (which I might add, you keep deflecting from answering).

So, now, in the true rosco rathbone fashion, I will now retire to the antechamber, where I will get my hog munched on and leave you to your quack theories, word twisting, nit-picking, incoherent blatherings and truth dodging. I have no doubts you with both crap out a nice smelly stew for me to read later.

Have nice day.

PBW

 

[P. B. Walker]

I gotta respect Sgt. PBW for not running up the white flag despite the fact that he is pinned down in a withering rhetorical crossfire. With most of his platoon dead or dying, however, it doesn't look as if he'll be getting out of this tight spot in one piece.

But man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated.

- Ernest Hemingway

 

[MissTaken]

This particular lady loves it, but she is totally incapable of asking for what she wants and will in fact fight hard to avoid getting it.

Miss T, she and I were talking about that the other night. I think I am more of a misogynist than she does.

Yes, I am very sweet and affectionate to her as well, but that doesn't really make for good Topopolis reading.

Thanks, rr.

I appreciate your being so candid in your response. I was simply curious because as you know, my initiation into BDSM was with a focus on nurturing, attention and cherishing the sub, with a sprinkle of "using" her.

Hmm misogynist? What makes you think you are? Is there any chance this lady would join us here? I would love to hear what makes her think you aren't?

I think misogynist is a strong word. And as I am too lazy and weary this minute to look up the definition of the term, I will say it is my understanding that a misogynist hates women. Hate is a strong term. Many who are tossed about as misogynists on lit, in particular, have offended the feminists by suggesting that there are limits to what women can do and perhaps, have suggested that men and women were created differently and unequally for a reason. That isn't misogyny, that is simple opinion and frankly, there are times, it is just fact.

Ack! I am in trouble now...but guess what. Every other species has gender related roles, without exception. (Barring amoebas and things of that nature). The male lion performs a function and has been given the strenght, qualities and skills to do so. The lioness has a purpose and has been given the biological qualities, and skills and instincts to do so. So, why would humans be different.

Just throwing this out here for discussion....



So, do you HATE women as a rule or do feel they are subordinates, but are or can be worthy of attention, love and respect?

 

[lark sparrow]

I think misogynist is a strong word. And as I am too lazy and weary this minute to look up the definition of the term, I will say it is my understanding that a misogynist hates women. Hate is a strong term. Many who are tossed about as misogynists on lit, in particular, have offended the feminists by suggesting that there are limits to what women can do and perhaps, have suggested that men and women were created differently and unequally for a reason. That isn't misogyny, that is simple opinion and frankly, there are times, it is just fact.

Ack! I am in trouble now...but guess what. Every other species has gender related roles, without exception. (Barring amoebas and things of that nature). The male lion performs a function and has been given the strenght, qualities and skills to do so. The lioness has a purpose and has been given the biological qualities, and skills and instincts to do so. So, why would humans be different.

Just throwing this out here for discussion....



So, do you HATE women as a rule or do feel they are subordinates, but are or can be worthy of attention, love and respect?

Truly interesting thoughts, Miss T. Great discussion material - however a couple of things came to mind when comparing lions and humans - way off point... but did you know that when a new male lion takes over a pride by killing or chasing off the old pride leader, they systematically kill every single cub in the pride therefore wiping out the rival's genes? Thank goodness humans don't work on instinct alone, as step-fathers would be bad, bad news.

 

[Pure]

/as step-fathers would be bad, bad news. /

as they often are, if you look at child abuse statistics.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Truly interesting thoughts, Miss T. Great discussion material - however a couple of things came to mind when comparing lions and humans - way off point... but did you know that when a new male lion takes over a pride by killing or chasing off the old pride leader, they systematically kill every single cub in the pride therefore wiping out the rival's genes? Thank goodness humans don't work on instinct alone, as step-fathers would be bad, bad news.

Haha, MT, I knew your musings on gender role were going to get you in trouble in certain quarters.....But this is an always-fascinating, neverending debate.

I once got a group of women at Ms.com to assert that there were NO inborn differences between men and women other than the obvious secondary sexual characteristics. THey claimed that any other differences were entirely cultural. At this point, it seemed best to leave the debate.

Hello larksparrow, good to have you here.

 

[P. B. Walker]

/as step-fathers would be bad, bad news. /

as they often are, if you look at child abuse statistics.

Damn, that's a very bold over-generalization.

 

[lark sparrow]

Haha, MT, I knew your musings on gender role were going to get you in trouble in certain quarters.....But this is an always-fascinating, neverending debate.

I once got a group of women at Ms.com to assert that there were NO inborn differences between men and women other than the obvious secondary sexual characteristics. THey claimed that any other differences were entirely cultural. At this point, it seemed best to leave the debate.

Hello larksparrow, good to have you here.

Hello Rosco, and thank you. Nature can be a very harsh Mistress.

 

[rosco rathbone]

They never have these kind of exciting debates in the Dom Lounge. Just a couple of broken down old men mumbling about college (*yawn*) football. No, Topopolis is the place to be.

I wish Thumbo didn't have me on ignore. I was beboppin' and scattin' all over him yesterday.

MT: I will try to respond to your post when I gather my thoughts. Right now I am just chilling and making fun of the CBM's heinously bad band name ideas.

 

[MissTaken]

Truly interesting thoughts, Miss T. Great discussion material - however a couple of things came to mind when comparing lions and humans - way off point... but did you know that when a new male lion takes over a pride by killing or chasing off the old pride leader, they systematically kill every single cub in the pride therefore wiping out the rival's genes? Thank goodness humans don't work on instinct alone, as step-fathers would be bad, bad news.

*chuckles*

I usually go to the General Board to stir things up a bit.

Good points, concerning the lions. Damn, girl, you are good!

Do you think it is the exception or the rule that equates men and women in today's society?

Or do you think they are truly biologically, emotionally, intellectually and physical equals?

*Stirring the cauldron, folks! I so love a good discussion with dissenting views. Someone dissent, please!*

 

[MissTaken]

Haha, MT, I knew your musings on gender role were going to get you in trouble in certain quarters.....But this is an always-fascinating, neverending debate.

.

Which is exactly why I posted it!



I hope you don't mind.

 

[MissTaken]

/as step-fathers would be bad, bad news. /

as they often are, if you look at child abuse statistics.

I am not touching this one.

I am off work until next week and don't want to debate employment related issues.

You all can have at this one

 

[lark sparrow]

They never have these kind of exciting debates in the Dom Lounge. Just a couple of broken down old men mumbling about college (*yawn*) football. No, Topopolis is the place to be.

I don't know anything about the Dom Lounge or football, but it does seem BDSM Talk is moving towards more of a kinky GB lately. Had to come in and see what was happening in freaky Top-opolis. I think I can say that as a freak of one persuasion or another myself. my humblest apologies to those who don't define themselves as freaks - never can tell.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I don't know anything about the Dom Lounge or football, but it does seem BDSM Talk is moving towards more of a kinky GB lately. Had to come in and see what was happening in freaky Top-opolis. I think I can say that as a freak of one persuasion or another myself. my humblest apologies to those who don't define themselves as freaks - never can tell.

Well, you can only get so much mileage out of the same three topics....

Stick around, I like you even though your political views and mine are more than likely at odds.

 

[lark sparrow]

*chuckles*

I usually go to the General Board to stir things up a bit.

Good points, concerning the lions. Damn, girl, you are good!

Do you think it is the exception or the rule that equates men and women in today's society?

Or do you think they are truly biologically, emotionally, intellectually and physical equals?

*Stirring the cauldron, folks! I so love a good discussion with dissenting views. Someone dissent, please!*

No, I honestly think women and men are "different, but equal" when they come together, just like Dominants and submissives. I am not the feminist defense come to argue the likes from Ms.com. Being a lesbian and a submissive would put me just as much at odds with much of their belief, as would entirely heterosexual based theory. lol really, what would I know about being in a romantic relationship with a man?

I am however fascinated with nature and social structure, and have done a fair amount of studying for pleasure - animals, and primates in particular, so had to pipe up. It is an interesting disussion. I also think too much emphasis is placed on men and women, as when you move to homosexual relationships you can find much of the same dynamics.

What do you think, Miss T? Sorry, giggles, not much a feminist reactionary here.

 

[NemoAlia]

I've heard it posited that any physiological/psychological differences between men and women that are genetic these days were once very rare and became standard in our gene pool through cultural selection.

 

[WriterDom]

They never have these kind of exciting debates in the Dom Lounge. .

I don't have you on ignore, I just ignore you. Since 75% of your posts identify you as my personal troll, I'm not interested in a battle between the Dom Lounge and topoltinycock. Maybe if I bumped it up everyday, the numbers would be better. But I'll let you catch up first.

 

[Pure]

Hi RR,

You know, I was going to jo to a pic of a hot Arabian babe's creampie--on my way to betraying my country, of course-- but damn if I could find one on the web. I was at this site and there musta been a thousand white cracker creampies and ya know there were just a couple hot Black ones, and one East Indian. Well that was an entirely satisfactory substitution, but I'm learning about those sites, a gazillion of them, that have to be WHITE slut pussy and no colored folks please.

On to the oral finger fucked siren, I asked and you said,

This particular lady loves it, but she is totally incapable of asking for what she wants and will in fact fight hard to avoid getting it.

In my terms, I'd say she was roughly used and sexually objectified. (And by sticking around, incidentally, she gives implicit consent.) This is not the Loving Equal Sincere Self Realization bdsm of some parts of this globe; the LESSR bdsm. This is classic, right out of Juliette, it's Donatien's Outrageous Grafication, DOG, style bdsm.

The sub become bitch flesh bearing several orifices; for male subs, DOG style right up the wazoo. This is how the Marquis liked it, while he in turn buggered the woman beneath.

Yet in the scene you describe the sub is turned on; she responds to this dark sexuality.

Imagine: She relishes the reduction to cunt-ass-mouth-bearing animality. She is not the rose bush being tended, the Poopsie Pet curled at the faux Master's feet by the fire. She is not the bearer of L'Academie de Sadisme et Masochisme contract with 69 enumerated 'hard limits'-- things which, if done by the Master give her the 'right' to pack her bags and hie herself off to look for a new Sir HuggieHug.

I've been entirely arbitrary in making the sub, above, a she; Imagine: the DOG male sub bears no resemblance to the vast number of LESSR type candy-ass male subs who are learning to be French maid feminized servants of Mellifluous Mama who sometimes makes the most generous of gifts: that of a look from Herself; providing she's not again in her faux school-teacherly huff, with the sham cold glare which makes the sweet little rocks disappear into the depilated, groveling male bodies.

Just a few thoughts...

J.

 

[Marquis]

Nemoalia and Pure, I want you to know that I think your last posts were both brilliant.

 

[NemoAlia]

Hey thanks, Marquis! I enjoy your posts as well.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You are running on holy gasoline, Pure.

No, they sure don't have any testifyin' like that over in Domsburg. Maybe Thumbo will take a bit of science back with him when he goes home.

Nemoalia, it's great to see you. I wish you were around more often.

Marquis I believe you still have a tale to tell. I tried to set the tone with my post.

 

[Pure]

candor

Well, PBW, we're making a little progress; you've eased up on the bumbling clown routine enough to make one concession. I've put a + next to this one item you will concede is an offensive slur.

PBW's list;


faggot
racist
pervert
traitor puke
fatass pussy
thinking about Arab creampie (while jacking off)
+cocksucker
[on] welfare
blob of shit
retard

There's still a bit of bumbling on 'cocksucker', for you say, no doubt sarcastically,


Will I apologize to you all if your fragile sensibilities were damaged. Sure. Since you brought it up, I have to infer that yours were. So therefore, Pure, I do sincerely apologize for my use of the word cocksucker in my message to CBM. I promise to refrain from using it in this public forum in the future.

My sensibilities are not the issue, we're determining whether there are offensive, even unacceptable, slurs on the list. I don't suck cock; I'm not offended, except perhaps as a stand-in for some gay friends. Get this straight: I suck cum from a Black mistress' pussy and, as directed, from any other pussies of all colors and ethnic groups. If she's not around, the picture will do, when directed, for jerking off.

You do made a crucial, if obvious statement about the list:

Pure:
Jacking off is set out as an insult to the person, who's also called 'pussy' and 'dickless'.

[PBW:]

Well, Pure, that was kind of the point of the whole message, to insult.

Exactly, and the list is a list of insults, attempts to demean and offend, and no I'm not saying that makes you the devil or no one else gets offensive. You do not have to wear horns, or, better, pink panties, you just have to stop the clowning for an instant, occasionally, and be candid.

Given that cocksucker is an insult, and the list, "the whole message," is an insult, 'faggot' likewise is to be taken as an insult. Your 'purely descriptive' 'could be between friends' line does not apply, by your own concession.

So we get to this uproarious bumble:

[Pure:]
So 'retard' too is set out there as uncomplimentary; it's a standard 6th grade insult. You thus slur the retarded.

[PBW:]
By the definition of slur, I have to disagree with this. I do not use it in a hateful manner, nor a demeaning manner toward the mentally impaired.

'Retard' is, according to you, an insult to this particular person, but not used in a 'demeaning manner' toward the "mentally impaired." You seem to think your intention is key, rather than the offensive effects on hearers. You respect the 'retards' but, when angry, label others as 'retards' in the effort to insult them. I appreciate the comedy here.

Lastly, we can dispose of the "Arab creampie" remark.
You say:


So obviously he must want to go to them. He must dream about them. Think about the Arab women. Prize them highly. I'm sure he strokes his cock thinking about them. I would say that is high praise, taking the time to think about them and stroke to them. This is far from an insult to Arab women.


Come, come. It's an insult list, you said as much. So it would be pretty odd if an item of 'high praise' were included. This comedic ploy is a bit much. Indeed, you say, in your next sentence,


If anything it just shows how pathetic CBM is.

Yes, now you're being candid. And 'high praise' would not indicate how pathetic someone was, would it? It's pathetic, according to you to picture Arabian women's creampies and jerk off.

It would not be pathetic to think of Caucasian women's creampies, would it? Not much of an insult "You jerk off thinking of Caucasian women's creampies."

I proposed to you a more imaginative insult: "You jerk off thinking of syphilitic women's creampies."

So had you been truly inventive, and not feigning dumb, you would have gone beyond the simple racist "You jack off thinking of Arab creampies" to the doubly offensive, "You jack off thinking of syphilitic Arab creampies." At least, in such a hypothetical case, you would be--hypothetically-- an imaginative racist, instead of a simple one.

 

[MissTaken]

Nemoalia, it's great to see you. I wish you were around more often.

Marquis I believe you still have a tale to tell. I tried to set the tone with my post.

*Lurking and waiting for the tale*


(And it is always good to see NemoAlia posting. )