Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Pookie]

There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, just don't bother posting lies and wasting every one's time with nonsense like that will you for a change?

I want you to post an attached photo of this twenty storey hole in WTC 7, and I want you to describe in detail exactly where this hole is.

I've quoted plenty of firemen and others on the scene that day who described the damage and fires regarding WTC 7.

Considering all the deception you've tried to pull off, guess whose word I'm taking?

Heh.

 

[Lovelynice]

Argument from ignorance ....

which is why you lose every argument. You don't even have a clue how the WTC buildings were put together. you can only distort what others say, and outright lie.

 

[Lovelynice]

I've quoted plenty of firemen and others on the scene that day who described the damage and fires regarding WTC 7. ...

Yes, and I can too.

You didn't miss this did you;

I posted it before.

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Is she lying too, Pookie? Or can you consider a new concept, that the firemen mentioning that WTC 7 was possibly going to collapse ARE NOT contradicting all the evidence that WTC 7 was deliberately brought down, "pulled", in a controlled demolition. All of them are telling the truth except for Larry Silverstein's "retraction", but then he's been caught lying anyway since there were no teams in the building at the time so his excuses don't work.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

WTC 7 was in fact the STRONGEST of all the WTC complex buildings, and had within it a major emergency command bunker, including millions of dollars worth of additional reinforcement to the building.

And Rudy took one look at it and said, what's the backup plan and then he watched people dive to their deaths and you think our government did that on purpose.

Somebody would crack under the strain. You can't get that many pure psychopaths to work together. (Someone would come forward, like the editor said, it would be the biggest story ever!)

How long would busybody and LT last in an office cubicle?

 

[Lovelynice]

First, the polls aren't valid statistical samples....

This is called the "I don't like what others are saying, so I'm going to pretend it's not there" excuse.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Yes, and I can too.

You didn't miss this did you;

I posted it before.

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Is she lying too, Pookie? Or can you consider a new concept, that the firemen mentioning that WTC 7 was possibly going to collapse ARE NOT contradicting all the evidence that WTC 7 was deliberately brought down, "pulled", in a controlled demolition. All of them are telling the truth except for Larry Silverstein's "retraction", but then he's been caught lying anyway since there were no teams in the building at the time so his excuses don't work.

"it" referred to the team in the building...

 

[Lovelynice]

And Rudy took one look at it and said, what's the backup plan and then he watched people dive to their deaths ...

Yep, How much are Halliburton's shares worth these days? I heard Dick Cheney is getting real rich since 2001.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

This is called the "I don't like what others are saying, so I'm going to pretend it's not there" excuse.

Have you ever heard of DeTouqueville?

 

[Lovelynice]

"it" referred to the team in the building...

there was no team in the building.

"it" was referring to the building.

"pull it" was referring to the controlled demolition of the building.

You didn't miss this did you;

I posted it before.

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Is she lying too, Cap’n AMatrixca? Or can you consider a new concept, that the firemen mentioning that WTC 7 was possibly going to collapse ARE NOT contradicting all the evidence that WTC 7 was deliberately brought down, "pulled", in a controlled demolition. All of them are telling the truth except for Larry Silverstein's "retraction", but then he's been caught lying anyway since there were no teams in the building at the time so his excuses don't work.

 

[Lovelynice]

Have you ever heard ...

Let's cut past the bullshit, Cap’n AMatrixca

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

Until you can do this, you really do have fuck-all. Maybe that's why never answer it, and always keep trying to avoid it.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Yep, How much are Halliburton's shares worth these days? I heard Dick Cheney is getting real rich since 2001.

It's been a good economy, most businesses have been profiting, except the ones that ventured into socialism. It's not the sort of thing that wins. Sorry. Juror #9.

Additionally,

When you take quotes out of context and I know you're doing it because I've heard the actual participants explain what was said and why I know you're not worried about the truth, only the charge. And even as I post this, I know your going to say I or the man I heard was lying.

And then you'll begin c&ping the same damned post that you began with like you've scored a point using fallacious logic.

 

[Lovelynice]

Here is how the WTC buildings were constructed and how massive the central cores were;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoh2pJpgY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-yuQeeYkq8

and this how they came down - watch the disappearing central cores and supports;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKxoC4_T-GA

NOBODY can simulate those collapses as anything other than controlled demolitions.

 

[Lovelynice]

It's been a good economy....

Well, for Dick Cheney's shares since 2001 it has been. Wars have been good for his business interests.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Let's cut past the bullshit, Cap’n AMatrixca

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

Until you can do this, you really do have fuck-all. Maybe that's why never answer it, and always keep trying to avoid it.

In fact, you prove you're not paying attention because I ceeded you the point. You win. There is NO OTHER EXAMPLE.

It just doesn't prove the converse. That's your fallacy in logic. Until you resolve that, you are dead in the water. Before 9-11, we had no idea of what would happen if a jet-liner creashed into a skyscraper; only theory. Now we have facts in evidence as to what happens.

When they blew up the bridge here, they fucked it up and it fell in the wrong place and too much of it fell and it blocked off the Mississippi. Experts can be wrong. They can, like quotes, also be taken out of context.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Well, for Dick Cheney's shares since 2001 it has been. Wars have been good for his business interests.

I probably own shares of Haliburton too...








Does that out me as a shill?

 

[Pookie]

By the way, you didn't forget this did you;

I posted it before.

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Is she lying? Or can you consider a new concept, that the firemen mentioning that WTC 7 was possibly going to collapse ARE NOT contradicting all the evidence that WTC 7 was deliberately brought down, "pulled", in a controlled demolition. All of them are telling the truth except for Larry Silverstein's "retraction", but then he's been caught lying anyway since there were no teams in the building at the time so his excuses don't work.

Let's look at her whole quote ... and not just the part you cherry picked:

Radio host Bonnie Falkner: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira Singh: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down. And what we were expecting as an EMT… you're trained for live survivors and there were people on the pile digging and looking for survivors and what happened is they would bring someone out to the nearest triage center… we would stabilize them put them in an ambulance and send them further uptown… so we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much... just flames everywhere and dark smoke... it is entirely possible... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down, because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. That I don't know. I can't attest to the validity of that. All I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie Falkner: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."


Lovelynice, why did you cherry pick that quote? Why didn't you post it within context? Is it because the rest of her quote seems to corroborate that which you claim didn't exist?

Are you going to claim she is lying?

Why all the deception, LN?

 

[Lovelynice]

In fact, you prove ...

Hmmm...but so you try and claim some MAGICAL EXCEPTION, huh?

What a pathetic excuse. Trillions-to-one miraculous coincidence, huh?

BULLSHIT!

The facts are simple, DEAL WITH THEM.

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

The fact that you can't do this, and avoid doing so, proves you are full of shit

The truth is, WTC 5 & 6 were far more heavily damaged than WTC 7 - AND THEY DID NOT FALL DOWN....because WTC 7 was destroyed by controlled demolition, and looked exactly like any other controlled demolition.
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/wtc7cleaned1ag.jpg

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Thanks for at least calling the other guy the liar...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Pookie, is ceed the wrong word?

Can you help the mentally challenged here?

 

[Lovelynice]

Indira Singh: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down. And what we were expecting as an EMT… you're trained for live survivors and there were people on the pile digging and looking for survivors and what happened is they would bring someone out to the nearest triage center… we would stabilize them put them in an ambulance and send them further uptown… so we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much... just flames everywhere and dark smoke... it is entirely possible... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down, because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. That I don't know. I can't attest to the validity of that. All I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie Falkner: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Are you missing something critical, dear?

The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down." - it couldn't be any cleaer, could it. Most people can read, but I guess you can't.

 

[Pookie]

"pull it" was referring to the controlled demolition of the building.

Not this lie again. *sigh*

The building owner cannot order fire fighters or emergency responders to demolish a building. The term “pull it” is used by demolition firms, but for using cables onto a preweakened building and using heavy machinery to “pull” it. "Pull it" is not a term used to indicate the destruction of a building using explosives.

http://xbehome.com/screwloosechange/pictures/WTC_COLLAPSE_STUDY_BBlanchard_8-8-06.pdf


Lovelynice, why do you use sooooo much deception if the "truth" is on your side?

 

[Pookie]

Are you missing something critical, dear?

The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."[/size] - it couldn't be any cleaer, could it. Most people can read, but I guess you can't.

I saw it. I saw the whole quote. You tried to cherry pick it and use it out of context. You got caught being deceptive yet again. Trying to cherry pick it yet again just looks silly.

 

[Pookie]

Thanks for at least calling the other guy the liar...

I'll call you a liar soon enough. Just you wait and see, buster.

 

[Pookie]

Are you missing something critical, dear?

The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."[/size] - it couldn't be any cleaer, could it. Most people can read, but I guess you can't.

Is she lying, LN?

"... after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much... just flames everywhere and dark smoke... it is entirely possible... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down, because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. ..."

Well?

 

[Pookie]

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Argument from ignorance is still a logical fallacy. Repeating the same mistake over and over isn't going to change that.

Try harder.