Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I'll call you a liar soon enough. Just you wait and see, buster.

This is so fascinating. I just can't tear myself away from it, but it is such a bee E eh? Ute iful day, that I simply must...

 

[Pookie]

This is called the "I don't like what others are saying, so I'm going to pretend it's not there" excuse.

I'm not pretending it's not there. I just recognize it for what it is. Polls that don't use a valid sample are worthless other than for a head count of people that happen to know it's there.

At least you haven't tried being deceptive with that Zogby poll again. Now, you need to work at learning not to repeat all your logical fallacies.

Remember, hon. The truth is on your side.

You can do it! Now get in there and show us what you can do.

 

[Pookie]

This is so fascinating. I just can't tear myself away from it, but it is such a bee E eh? Ute iful day, that I simply must...

There was some kind of "Truth Movement" convention in Arizona a week or so ago. Last I saw, they got several hundred people to attend after advertising it on all their "truther" forums. They were hoping for over a thousand.

UFO conventions usually have thousands in attendance.

Heh.

 

[Pookie]

Pookie, is ceed the wrong word?

Can you help the mentally challenged here?

I usually have to go several thousand pages before I can get you to ceed anything.

 

[Pookie]

For those that really want to see what the "Truth Movement" is really like, I strongly recommend reading this pdf ...

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

It's long, but it has some excellent information about WTC 7. It clearly shows the deception that the "troothers" will use to push their paranoid delusions. It'll explain where people like Lovelynice come from, and the deception they'll use.

 

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[phrodeau]

Hmmm...but so you try and claim some MAGICAL EXCEPTION, huh?

What a pathetic excuse. Trillions-to-one miraculous coincidence, huh?

BULLSHIT!

The facts are simple, DEAL WITH THEM.

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed STRAIGHT-DOWN into their own footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can cite a single exception to this?

With a photo, video, or anything else.

The fact that you can't do this, and avoid doing so, proves you are full of shit

The truth is, WTC 5 & 6 were far more heavily damaged than WTC 7 - AND THEY DID NOT FALL DOWN....because WTC 7 was destroyed by controlled demolition, and looked exactly like any other controlled demolition.
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/wtc7cleaned1ag.jpg

My theory is that WTC5 & WTC6 didn't fall because they weren't hit by planes, and WTC7 was.

And you can't prove me wrong.

 

[phrodeau]

This is so fascinating. I just can't tear myself away from it, but it is such a bee E eh? Ute iful day, that I simply must...

When you get back, it'll be time to change your username again.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I usually have to go several thousand pages before I can get you to ceed anything.

The funny thing is, Ollie spells it 'seed...

Well, you're never right.



Liar!

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

When you get back, it'll be time to change your username again.

I've been toying with Babblin'Noah...

I wonder what Byron has in the way of an AV?

 

[Lovelynice]

My theory is that WTC5 & WTC6 didn't fall .....

What's wrong little phrodeau? Having problems backing your bullshit again? Sio you start acting childishly stupid instead? Well, grow up and deal with reality.

 

[Lovelynice]

Bump.

it's all you can do, because you have NOTHING and have already lost.

 

[Lovelynice]

Not this l...

Oh dear, Pookie is telliing lies again and thinks that she's an arbiter of the English language.

Sorry, dear, but you are NOT a credible source of the meaning of terms in English

It's already very clear from the context and how Silverstein said it, that "Pull it" was the order to demolish the building.

Demolish: (?), v. t. To throw or PULL DOWN; to raze; to destroy the fabric of; to pull to pieces; to ruin; as, to demolish an edifice, or a wall.

dictionary . laborlawtalk . com / demolish

Destroy; do away with, make away with; nullify; annual; sacrifice, demolish; tear up; overturn, overthrow, overwhelm; upset, subvert, put an end to; seal the doom of, do in, do for, dish, undo; break up, cut up; break down, cut down, PULL DOWN

websters - online - dictionary . org / definition / destroy

To "pull" something as in "pull it", "pull it down", "pull down", or just "pull" is also common in many military organisations as a term for controlled demolition of objects, buildings, and obstacles.

 

[Lovelynice]

Yet another argument from ignorance. ....

Yes, all your excuses are totally ignorant.

I asked you this;

Please show how ASSYMETRICAL damage can somehow lead to SYMMETRICAL collapse. Your claim is preposterous and doesn't explain this;

apparently you are incapable of explaining such an absurdity, but can only try and pretend that you have an answer without providing any. In other words, you're an idiot.

 

[Lovelynice]

I've quoted plenty of firemen and others on the scene that day who described the damage and fires regarding WTC 7. ...

and I'm not denying that WTC 7 was damaged,

In fact, I'm not calling any of them liars either.

However, you apparently are trying to claim that Indira Singh is lying when she says this;

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Is she lying, Pookie? Let's repeat the point that you seem to be either too stupid, or too much a liar to deal with - can you consider a new concept, that the firemen mentioning that WTC 7 was possibly going to collapse ARE NOT contradicting all the evidence that WTC 7 was deliberately brought down, "pulled", in a controlled demolition. All of them are telling the truth except for Larry Silverstein's "retraction", but then he's been caught lying anyway since there were no teams in the building at the time so his excuses don't work.



Afterall, New York firemen DID find explosives in the WTC buildings.

Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC 7
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53wdu8IGlE&NR

 

[Lovelynice]

Not surprising that you government trolls can't deal with being a minority and all the evidence of you failing in your jobs as paid liars. We do know what you are, because every time someone like me questions the USA government's bulllshit on anything, it's always the SAME SHILLS who turn up. The SAME NAMES everytime with no imagination at all, and repeating the same crap that has been blown to pieces and is failing to impress anyone.

Thet you are losing is obvious from the repeated poll results;
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/believe_conspiracy2.jpg

http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/gov_involved2.jpg

http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/wisconson_teach2.jpg

 

[Lovelynice]

You shills can't even cope with the increasingly large numbers of respectable people who are coming forward and publicly calling the USA government's story about 9/11 a pile rubbish and lies.

Your bullshit is DYING in the light of day, and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Shelton Lankford 260 JPG80.jpg
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 21-year Marine Corps career.

Letter to the Editor 2/5/07: Regarding 9/11 "Our government has been hijacked by means of a "new Pearl Harbor" and a lot of otherwise good and decent people who are gullible enough to think that the first three steel-framed buildings in history fall down because they have some fires that the fire fighter on the scene said could be knocked down with a couple of hoses and through which people walked before they were photographed looking out the holes where the plane hit . One of these - bldg 7, [570 feet tall, 47 stories] was never hit by a plane and even NIST is ashamed to advance a reason for its collapse. And, miracle of miracles, these three buildings just happened to be leased and insured by the same guy who is on tape saying they decided to "PULL" the last one to fall."
http://www.michigandaily.com/home/i...91786272#542c84e6-9719-4cfc-880c-6ceca6fad92e

Statement 2/20/07: "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...

Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.

If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? Scholars for 9/11 truth have developed reams of scientific data. Michael Ruppert published an exhaustive account of the case from the viewpoint of a trained investigator. David Ray Griffin provides a context for the unanswered or badly answered questions that should nag at anyone who pretends to love this country.

Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ...

Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool.

What does it all add up to? The Commission was, as was the Warren Commission before it, a dog and pony show ... "

Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are commited to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."

 

[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Karen Kwiatkowski 200 JPG70.jpg
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.

Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile".

... I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon.

... More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."

 

[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Colonel Robert Bowman2 JPG70.jpg
Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674

Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

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[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/George NelsonD JPG70.JPG
Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."
http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson

Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks." http://stj911.org/

 

[Byron In Exile]

I've been toying with Babblin'Noah...

I wonder what Byron has in the way of an AV?

The name is awful.

For an AV, though, how about Richard Briers as Polonius?

 

[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Douglas Rokke JPG80.jpg
Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

 

[Lovelynice]

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Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777 ’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…

"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com/17-Jul-2005.html

Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...

It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." http://911underground.com/WING_TV_2004-09-16_Russ_Wittenberg_Interview.MP3

 

[Lovelynice]

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Barbara HoneggerT 220 JPG80.jpg
Barbara Honegger, MS– Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the U.S. Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981 – 1983).

Essay 9/6/06: "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ...

A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building.

Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system."