This isn't going away.

[Ishmael]

Hey bro.

Here's the Able Danger thread. A place where the liberals can post their "Swift boat" articles on the subject only to see them shredded the next day.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Even I, one of the dumbest posters ever to pontificate on Lit, was able to nail them in advance as to the tactic.

They should read Dr. Wen Ho Lee's "My Country Verses Me."

[It means the story has legs!]

 

[Ishmael]

You know it has legs when the commission members change their story 4 times in the course of a week.

One more interesting little tid bit, guess where Gorelick worked before she was named asst. AG?

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I heard.

She's not the big deal anymore than Cindy, Crawford was.

It's the manipulation of the news in a pro-Democrat slant being more important than learning the actual reasons of why were were so wide-open for the 9-11 attack after Boijinka.

But, instead we (the Bush-haters in the press and here on the board) are going to repeat the same damned questions to the A-D soldiers and we are going to use every single fawkin' minor variation in the answer that we can find to publicly portray the soldiers as liars just like the Clinton Justice department did when it railroaded Dr. Lee, a Chinese-American citizen. We have a legacy to protect and an election to win...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Just so's everybody knows what we're talking about, watch the Democrats leap into action:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=363612
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=363613

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, she'll become a "big deal." So far the only heroine to appear actually is a Clinton appointee. Mary Jo White. Her memos to Gorelick read like Nostradamus.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

There's more chance of finding a faxed Kinko's memo from Rove outing Plame or Jimmy Hoffa than that memo seeing the front page of the Times...

 

[Ishmael]

There's more chance of finding a faxed Kinko's memo from Rove outing Plame or Jimmy Hoffa than that memo seeing the front page of the Times...

Agreed. Do they even have a reporter working the story? Actually, they do. Because this so intimately involves their home town, there's a chance they might follow through on this one.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

A voice on the radio tells me that it's not going anywhere because the 9-11 was one side guarding Clinton and the other side guarding Bush and both sides agreeing on only going after middle management because they're all in it together. I don't think, outside of conservative talk radio, that anybody wants this to become a big issue...

It sure as hell should be because it looks like with data-mining, we have an excellent tool in which to make ourselves safer in areas other than terrorism.

 

[Ishmael]

A voice on the radio tells me that it's not going anywhere because the 9-11 was one side guarding Clinton and the other side guarding Bush and both sides agreeing on only going after middle management because they're all in it together. I don't think, outside of conservative talk radio, that anybody wants this to become a big issue...

It sure as hell should be because it looks like with data-mining, we have an excellent tool in which to make ourselves safer in areas other than terrorism.

There certainly some questions for the Buch admin to answer as well. But "Policy" takes on a life of it's own once established.

"Any mistake continued past the sixth month becomes Company policy." - Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

A second officer has come forward. This semi-contradicts the weak statement made by the pentagon yesterday.

From the NY Times.

August 23, 2005
Second Officer Says 9/11 Leader Was Named Before Attacks
By PHILIP SHENON

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 - An active-duty Navy captain has become the second military officer to come forward publicly to say that a secret intelligence program tagged the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks as a possible terrorist more than a year before the attacks.

The officer, Scott J. Phillpott, said in a statement on Monday that he could not discuss details of the military program, which was called Able Danger, but confirmed that its analysts had identified the Sept. 11 ringleader, Mohamed Atta, by name by early 2000. "My story is consistent," said Captain Phillpott, who managed the program for the Pentagon's Special Operations Command. "Atta was identified by Able Danger by January-February of 2000."

His comments came on the same day that the Pentagon's chief spokesman, Lawrence Di Rita, told reporters that the Defense Department had been unable to validate the assertions made by an Army intelligence veteran, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and now backed up by Captain Phillpott, about the early identification of Mr. Atta.

Colonel Shaffer went public with his assertions last week, saying that analysts in the intelligence project were overruled by military lawyers when they tried to share the program's findings with the F.B.I. in 2000 in hopes of tracking down terrorist suspects tied to Al Qaeda.

Mr. Di Rita said in an interview that while the department continued to investigate the assertions, there was no evidence so far that the intelligence unit came up with such specific information about Mr. Atta and any of the other hijackers.

He said that while Colonel Shaffer and Captain Phillpott were respected military officers whose accounts were taken seriously, "thus far we've not been able to uncover what these people said they saw - memory is a complicated thing."

The statement from Captain Phillpott , a 1983 Naval Academy graduate who has served in the Navy for 22 years, was provided to The New York Times and Fox News through the office of Representative Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who is vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a longtime proponent of so-called data-mining programs like Able Danger.

Asked if the Defense Department had questioned Captain Phillpott in its two-week-old investigation of Able Danger, another Pentagon spokesman, Maj. Paul Swiergosz, said he did not know.

Representative Weldon also arranged an interview on Monday with a former employee of a defense contractor who said he had helped create a chart in 2000 for the intelligence program that included Mr. Atta's photograph and name.

The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East. Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart until last year and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. He said it had become stuck to the wall and was impossible to remove when he switched jobs.

In its final report last year, the Sept. 11 commission said that American intelligence agencies were unaware of Mr. Atta until the day of the attacks.

The leaders of the Sept. 11 commission acknowledged on Aug. 12 that their staff had met with a Navy officer last July, 10 days before releasing the panel's final report, who asserted that a highly classified intelligence operation, Able Danger, had identified "Mohamed Atta to be a member of an Al Qaeda cell located in Brooklyn."

But the statement, which did not identify the officer, said the staff determined that "the officer's account was not sufficiently reliable to warrant revision of the report or further investigation" and that the intelligence operation "did not turn out to be historically significant."

With his comments on Monday, Captain Phillpott acknowledged that he was the officer who had briefed the commission last year. "I will not discuss the issues outside of my chain of command and the Department of Defense," he said. "But my story is consistent. Atta was identified by Able Danger by January-February of 2000. I have nothing else to say."

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

What about the article on Foxnews.com that says the Pentagon cannot verify the claims?

[Not that the story's not true, never mind the fakes! ]

I want more than a couple of say-so's and conflicting commission statements. I want some raw, red meat...

 

[Ishmael]

What about the article on Foxnews.com that says the Pentagon cannot verify the claims?

[Not that the story's not true, never mind the fakes! ]

I want more than a couple of say-so's and conflicting commission statements. I want some raw, red meat...

If you read the "official" Pentagon statement you can find some 'wiggle' room. They're using terms like "haven't found" and "unable to verify". Kinda weak statements. Then goes into a discourse about 'historical significance.'

No disavowall of the group or what they were doing.

Just gets more interesting.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I think Vegas is still thinking the story goes the way of Jimi Hoffa...



I damned sure know Washington is!

 

[Ishmael]

No argument here. No one wants this one getting traction.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Mr. Smith would know what to do.

We really need more one-term politicians. People who do the right thing. You do that in politics and ain't nobody gonna fund your re-election efforts!



Why is it that suddenly, nobody on either team likes or supports the whistle-blower?

 

[Ishmael]

Mr. Smith would know what to do.

We really need more one-term politicians. People who do the right thing. You do that in politics and ain't nobody gonna fund your re-election efforts!



Why is it that suddenly, nobody on either team likes or supports the whistle-blower?

It's a big fan and everyone's in front of it.

Ishmael