This is a Guy that tried to kill My DAD

[Guest]

Give it a break. I don't believe he said that.
(maybe in the context of this is the guy that tried to kill an American president...... well, he did try and who cares who's father he was)

7 months in office War is waged on American soil......
enron and others who lied, cheated, stoled and prospered during the 90's came crashing down.....
This guy has managed to keep this nation together and still has democrats agreeing with him on the safty of this country.

None of us know just what the proof is about iraq. I sure would hate to find out when some adjoining country is wiped out. (and we'll have to jump in and save what's left) OR we ourselves could be in trouble and after a few thousand die we'll yell Oh President Bush should have known.
So far he's done a hell of a job with what he's had thrown at him. Have a little faith.

I saw the clip on MSNBC tonight. Bush was acting like a little baby crying about someone beating up his daddy. You can cry about clinton's penis all day, but the fact is bush allowed 09/11 not bill clinton. All the excuses in the world will never make that untrue.

 

[kiwiwolf]

I agree too.

Another wise and wonderful woman.

During the Desert Storm campaign they had the men and infrastructure in place to hit Saddam. It was always Bush Snrs. biggest regret that they never did it. Now Dubbya is trying to follow in Daddys footsteps by going one better.

Bush is a hawk, plain and simple. He is looking for a huge Milestone to cap his presidency. He couldn't add Bin Ladens scalp to his war sheild (through no fault of his own) so he is going after the other big international bad guy. A big case of ego over ruling common sense.

 

[Guest]

have to agree with Siren...

I have no big problems with Bush...EXCEPT the fact that he has been all about Saddam...

sounds to me like he has to fix what his dad fucked up. *shakes head*

 

[Siren]

 

[kiwiwolf]

It was clarified that it only applied to Head of state I believe. That made Osama a clean target. Bush has essentialy weakened it to the point that it is worthless with his orders that Sadam can be killed in self defense and such.

I would have to look around to be sure but I think the order still stands it has just been neutered of its power.

Good points all Az but from my understanding I thought it was repealed to give US forces the go to hit Taliban leaders who supported and aided Bin Laden... including the Taliban head of State.

 

[Azwed]

Its one thing to think privately about getting saddam because he tried to kill his father. I can understand that completly because that is human nature. I can even understand talking about it to some of his closests advisors and family members.


Saying it in public however is just not good at all. I mean it just looks bad from every possible way. Many people already think of Bush as an imature man that got where he was with massive help from his father and an incident like this is only going to reinforce that image.

 

[RastaPope]

. Many people already think of Bush as an imature man that got where he was with massive help from his father

Using money, and the influence of others in power to gain power yourself is the American Way, c'mon.

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[Guest]

He used name recognition...
some went to vote...no knowing..some not caring who was on the ballot to begin with... saw George W. Bush... registered it in their minds as George Bush... and voted.

It was a name they knew.

 

[Siren]

 

[Ferrophiliac]

What would you do?

I have only one question, What would you do if you were told that Saddam has the possiblity of killing a bunch of people with WMD? I have said what I'd do, but thank god I'm not the president! Other than kill or take him into custody what is the answer?

 

[Azwed]

here is the link from the Christian Science monitor sept 21st edition

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0921/p11s1-cods.html

 

[Siren]

Ferro...

 

[kiwiwolf]

Bush did say this.

And I am frightened to have a President
that is using the example of when his dad was president as additional reason to attack a country.


Is he getting desperate?

My ex's boyfriend... who I'm forced to live with for another 5 days... is a conspiracy theorist. According to him the US military staged Sept 11th to raise Bush's approval rating. Yeah I know... he is full of shit.

The only thing I do agree with when it comes to Bush is that Bush needs a monumental victory to come out on the winning end of a public opinion poll. It worked for his old man with Desert Storm so he is going to have his own war come hell or high water.

Only 5 more days and I'm outa here. Wish me luck.

 

[fanzee1]

Just saw it as a clip on 11:00 pm news

Bush was at some political thingie.


He said,
"Saddam hates us
after all,
this is the guy that tried to kill my Dad, remember?"

well, i think we all knew that's what was behind this madness. Still though, i'm a bit surprised he fucked up and admitted it publicly so soon.

This is a very, very dangerous precedent our president is attempting to set.

 

[RastaPope]

Re: Ferro...

The answer is not to attack Saddam because he was against your Daddy.

The answer is that we start acting like the superpower we are and actually DO something.

 

[Azwed]

Re: What would you do?

I have only one question, What would you do if you were told that Saddam has the possiblity of killing a bunch of people with WMD? I have said what I'd do, but thank god I'm not the president! Other than kill or take him into custody what is the answer?

He has already killed a bunch of people with WMD's on his own soil.

He also used WMD's agianst Iran. Saying that we want to go after Sadam because he has Chemical/Bio weapons and might have nuclear weapons is a pretty pathetic excuse since we have not going after him in the past for it.

I need to find an article in the New Yorker magazine writen by some of the top realist IR guys. These are traditional conservative republican guys who are staunchly agianst invading Iraq. I just don't know if I can find the article online anywhere.

 

[Siren]

 

[kiwiwolf]

Re: Re: Ferro...

The answer is that we start acting like the superpower we are and actually DO something.

What? Go to war? That would give George exactly what he wants... validation. It would also raise Saddams approval rating and piss off a lot of other nations.

The only way to effectively get at Saddam is the slow old fashioned way. Sneakily from the inside. Remove his power base and he will fold. HIS people need to do the job... NOT America.

 

[Ferrophiliac]

I agree

I too want more info, and have for sometime now. But I don't buy the personal reasons, I would buy political or to boost the stock market. So we do agree about one thing but for different reasons.

I dont want anyone to die to avenge one man's personal reasons.
If it is to protect the world
or
to protect our country......
with verifiable evidence that is one thing.........
After this outburst by Bush.......
I want to see the evidence all the more.
HE needs to prove that there are legitimate reasons to engage in war........other than to get back at someone for his DAD.

 

[Lost Cause]

These guys are on board.....

I have to hear the President's full question and answer that the quote came from. Taken out of context (common journalism), it could have been added after a full response, like...and after all he's the guy that tried to kill my dad." I know you're concerned despite your obvious bias toward him, I get the full information before judging the incident. Still we need to kill Sodamn Insane, because we can.

***
Steven Spielberg and Tom Cruise have joined the list of celebrities making their views known on Iraq, speaking out in favour of President George Bush's stance.
The pair made their feelings known at a press conference in Rome, where they have been promoting the Italian release of the blockbuster Minority Report.

"If Bush, as I believe, has reliable information on the fact that Saddam Hussein is making weapons of mass destruction, I cannot support the policies of his government," Spielberg said.

The director added that those policies were "solid and rooted in reality".

Cruise also spoke out in support of the US president.

"Personally, I don't have all the information President Bush has," said the star.

"But I believe Saddam has committed many crimes against humanity and his own people."

**Hmmm, maybe a director and actor for a "Pvt. Ryan in Bagdad" type movie?

 

[fanzee1]

I dont want anyone to die to avenge one man's personal reasons.


If it is to protect the world
or
to protect our country......

with verifiable evidence that is one thing.........

After this outburst by Bush.......
I want to see the evidence all the more.

HE needs to prove that there are legitimate reasons to engage in war........other than to get back at someone for his DAD.

I do not doubt that saddam hussein harbors nothing but ill will for the united states, so as much as the prospect of "regime change" upsets me from a moral standpoint, it's not what disturbs me most about this whole vendetta.

It does not take a brilliant foreign policy strategist to see that the threat of terrorism facing the united states is multifaceted. We are in danger from many nations and -- even moreso -- individuals who are waiting impatiently for when the time is right to strike where it hurts us most. Given that imminent danger, it would seem that a prudent strategy would be one devoted to destroying the connective tissue that holds networks of terrorists together. This would involve lots of espionage and covert military action.

Instead, our president seems bent on removing one man from power, as if that were going to address any of our immediate problems. I hesitate to accuse Bush of using 9/11 as an excuse to justify his vendetta but it is difficult to arrive at any other conclusion. Where was all of this concern about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and chemical capability before 9/11, and is Bush really prepared to tell us that in the aftermath of those attacks, our intelligence led us to believe that eliminating saddam should be our first priority? It just doesn't make sense and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us fall victim to another attack within our borders while Bush remains obsessed with Saddam.

 

[Azwed]

I can't come up with any context that would make, "he's the one that tried to kill my dad," look good.

I mean if you can then you must be more creative then I am.

 

[Ferrophiliac]

But I'm still looking for an answer to my question

Does anyone have any idea's?

I have only one question, What would you do if you were told that Saddam has the possiblity of killing a bunch of people with WMD? I have said what I'd do, but thank god I'm not the president! Other than kill or take him into custody what is the answer?

 

[fanzee1]

Re: But I'm still looking for an answer to my question

Does anyone have any idea's?

destroy his weapons of mass destruction, once i convinced all my allies that was actually the case. It's the determination to act w/out mandate and the intent to assassinate saddam that makes me disagree w/bush.

 

[kiwiwolf]

Re: But I'm still looking for an answer to my question

Does anyone have any idea's?

Tell me... which country in the world has the biggest capacity for mass destruction? Who has the biggest arsenal of Nukes on the planet?

The diffrerence is the person behind the trigger... or in the case of the US the people behind the trigger. Bush has checks and balances in the form of Congress... Saddam doesn't. Yes Saddam has to go, but I think the method of his removal has to leave no room for martyrdom or retaliation with WMD. It has to be internal.

Then send in the UN to help stablise the country and help set up a workable government. Leaping up and down about WMD and using them as an excuse to go charging in there with sabres rattling is just going to give the Iraqis another excuse to hate the western world and the US in particular.