This community.

[MunchinMark]

oo oo oooo Had a thought!

Maybe people who are themselves here are just being lazy.

-Sits back to await next neuron fizzle-

 

[caraliza]

I haven’t got much experience on Lit, and I’m still sorting out my own reactions and perspective. Other boards I have been on have not been nearly as active, and the pace here can leave you breathless. Trying to describe this to a non-Lit person recently, I said it’s like wandering around a fantastically eccentric bar and dipping in and out of the conversations.

Intrigued originally posted:
The first topic is seeking an answer to what the appeal and impact of message boards really is.

For me, the main appeal is the sheer variety of conversation– the variety of topic, the variety of tone, and the variety of voices.

"How is one able to turn off/on like a switch, adopting the persona/dumping the persona?".

People may be making up their age, gender, occupation, etc., but I think how they respond to other people in conversation is, for the most part, genuine.

The rest of your questions mostly ask why people treat each other with contempt online. The answer is because they can, with impunity. Doesn’t make it any less genuine, unfortunately.

But I do think that the fact that we can’t see each other makes a huge difference. We’ve been communicating through body language a hell of a lot longer than we’ve writing letters and posting on the Internet. IRL you say something cutting and instantly see the hurt reflected in her eyes, and you back off because even though what you said was true and maybe even deserved, shoving that truth in her face isn’t going to accomplish anything. But online you say something cutting and the cuttee absorbs the hurt IRL, plans and executes a vitriolic attack in response, and the battle is on.

 

[Rex1960]

Well, it seems (from an outside perspective) she's been harassed by one or more people for the last several months on Lit, at least. Good enough reason to keep personal info. hush hush.

Olivianna,

hopefully that's not your real name. Anyway....

I've seen several of your posts where I detected an intelligent person, and I really don't care if you just googled your knowledge (just remember those threads re islam) since you put all your words besides the "quotes" together in a way that made every sense for me. If I agree or not with your posted POV, if it was you just playing devil's advocat or your deepest thoughts from the bottom of your heart.
As far as I remember we never PMed (wonder why ).
My point is, you gave away so much personal info in open posts all by yourself about your profession and your actual research and stuff like that, that it wouldn't be difficult to search for a collection of these infos.

And when I respond and repeat (!!) that in another post, someone's going to remove exactly that, telling me I've violated the rule
"4. You may not post personal information of other members or, for that matter, anyone else. We do not allow phone numbers, email addresses, private messages or quotes from private emails to be posted on the forum. This rule also covers real names, employment info, and any other personal information that we deem inappropriate.

I just don't get it.

 

[Olivianna]

Thanks, dude. Now everyone's going to know who I am.

Anyway, I guess the difference is that I haven't been trolled up the wazoo like Intrigued has (well, not yet, at least). People are watching out for her, so people will be extra sensitive to anything posted about her. I realize that by imparting some of my knowledge, people may get a clue as to what I occupy myself with - it's not run-of-the-mill - but then lots of people post sorta personal stuff about themselves and when its repeated by others, that info. is not removed. I think there may just be a heightened sensitivity to info. posted about Int. right now. I don't know. Maybe she has more insight into this.

 

[intrigued]

Just click the links and you see why I am curious about the removal.

Intrigue's problem is, she gave away too much info all by herself in hundreds of posts, like PC already mentioned before (no pun intent, MyLady ) and some weirdos and sickos turned it into something towards her on purpose.
If she had given it away in PMs or emails only and now some stalker just uses it to hurt her in public, I would have seen it different.

I really don't know what really happened to Intrigued, but i think it must have been something really serious, otherwise I don't understand all this recent trouble.

Well, since this is about me, I will speak for myself.
This started as I began to talk to others privately once we were acquainted in my pic thread. Some were intersted in me romantically and as we began to talk and a certain comfort level was met, we bagan to use our real names. The rest of this is just a guess on my part, but I think it's a good guess. I started noticing them using my real name in my thread and each time one would, another would, then another...if you get where I'm going? It's almost as if it became a territorial thing, but again, I'm only guessing. These people became my friends off the board, and I was not offended. I never presented myself in any manner other than myself...I met these friends in person, and we all became very familiar with eachother. Its odd, but there is only one that I ever really called by his first name, and we weren't all that close.

It went too far when "you know who" began to get put off by my lack of response to him and he posted the county in which I live. Before, the fact that I was "(censored) in SC" was no biggie, thats not definitive enough for someone to ever hunt me down. But when you add to it the county, well, that concerned me, and I asked for it to be removed.

All the rest regarding my pics being stolen and posted elsewhere is well known. Again, yes, I brought that on myself through my desire to share them, and its a done deal. I never cried foul, I knew it was my fault, but yeah, it hurt, I was stunned, and coupled with all the threads he started and all the websites he posted my pics on, I was at a point of being ashamed of myself. No more, my pics were tasteful, regardless of how he abused them. I have learned a lesson that will always be with me.

With regard to my being too open, well, I posted things that I was comfortable posting for reasons I was comfortable with. The only manner it has been used against me is by Hanns and his making fun of my rape. That doesn't bother me anymore, though I admit, initially I was sickened. I am not ashamed of my words here or I would never post them.

 

[Rex1960]

Thanks, dude. Now everyone's going to know who I am.

Anyway, I guess the difference is that I haven't been trolled up the wazoo like Intrigued has (well, not yet, at least). People are watching out for her, so people will be extra sensitive to anything posted about her. I realize that by imparting some of my knowledge, people may get a clue as to what I occupy myself with - it's not run-of-the-mill - but then lots of people post sorta personal stuff about themselves and when its repeated by others, that info. is not removed. I think there may just be a heightened sensitivity to info. posted about Int. right now. I don't know. Maybe she has more insight into this.

That's why I thought there is an unbalanced judgement


Anyway,
hopefully I didn't started anything towards you.

**************************************************
DISCLAIMER:
Weirdos, sickos of all nations unite !
Olivianna's AV is NOT (that means in NO WAY) an actual pic showing her personally.
It's a painting !!!! Nothing else.
And that the Lady exposes her right breast just shows Olivianna'S POV about matriarchic societies !! Nothing else !!
So stop wanking NOW
**************************************************

 

[riff]

It's hard for me to have a personna other than my own.

If you read the history of my posts, you would find plenty of conflict and contradiction. Confusion. Hunger. Anger But you would also fine some peaceful moments, sweetness, and kindness.

And strength.

One thing you can be sure of is that whether I am negative or positive, I am being sincere at that moment.

Someone said to me that they only know about me what I show them. While this is true, it rather sounds to me like an axiom of manipulation. I prefer to just be myself.

 

[Rex1960]

Well, since this is about me, I will speak for myself.

....

With regard to my being too open, well, I posted things that I was comfortable posting for reasons I was comfortable with. The only manner it has been used against me is by Hanns and his making fun of my rape. That doesn't bother me anymore, though I admit, initially I was sickened. I am not ashamed of my words here or I would never post them.

MyLady, with all my respect,

that's just not the point.
You know what went wrong all by yourself.

What I don't get, is
why is Hanns still able to post here ?
why is he still able to insult and threaten people ?

As far as I know he violated more than one rule and nobody stopped him.

But I just wrote your first name and it's removed ?

 

[intrigued]

MyLady, with all my respect,

that's just not the point.
You know what went wrong all by yourself.

What I don't get, is
why is Hanns still able to post here ?
why is he still able to insult and threaten people ?

As far as I know he violated more than one rule and nobody stopped him.

But I just wrote your first name and it's removed ?

Its quite obvious I am not the one to ask.

 

[Lancecastor]

Some people come to the Internet believing it is somehow different from or private from the rest of our lives.

It isn't.

Though the Internet was initially "sold" to the public as a "free" jurisdiction and some still try to maintain it as such, it is not.

Every word and pic we post here will likely live in perpetuity on servers at Lit, backup discs, tapes, mirror sites, peoples home computers, Carnivore, the hard drives of eastern european porn gathering bots.....etc etc etc.

Using your own name and/or face and other identifying characteristics carries the risk of perpetual repeating and discovery by those you might not want to see the info.

To suggest that we all ought to "be ourselves" at Literotica and to suggest that being less than completely open and "honest" is a mistake or disingenuous is not only wrong-minded... it is risky, foolhardy and naive IMHO.

Lance

 

[riff]

You're right. It's pretty stupid to be open about yourself in public.

 

[kidthor]

...Edited for space concerns...

...I want to reply to this, but I just can't read that much right now...


...I'll catch you later...

 

[Lancecastor]

But I just wrote your first name and it's removed ?

If I write my own name, perhaps that's one thing.

If you do it, it's another.

 

[Rex1960]

Its quite obvious I am not the one to ask.

It's quite obvious I just picked any topic in order to make you talking to me finally

 

[intrigued]

Re: Re: This community.

...I want to reply to this, but I just can't read that much right now...


...I'll catch you later...

lol, OK.

To the last few posts...I don't say anything that I don't wish others to read.

Granted, this is a porn board and there are probably relatives that I don't want to see my body, but believe it or not, I've thought about that, too. Its like going to a toy shop and bumping into someone you'd rather not bump into and then being embarrassed because they saw you there. Pardon me, but they are there, too.

If I have to explain my offense at what Hanns did, I feel I will be speaking to walls, so...I'm not going to sit and argue it, it changes nothing, and I'd just rather not.
Lesson learned.

 

[riff]

What did he do?

In a manner of speaking, "fuck 'im"

 

[Rex1960]

If I write my own name, perhaps that's one thing.

If you do it, it's another.

See, and that's what I don't get.
I just copy your post where you wrote your name (or any other personal info) and some "judge" edit my post instead of yours.

We'll see. I give it a try. I just "quote" the following personal info from another thread given by the poster itself:

I work in catering, and my other job is out of comission for a few weeks for repair. So Im broke!

See for yourself

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=3294221#post3294221

 

[MissTaken]

I am sure this has been said.

In real time or here, anytime you share personal information, you render yourself vulnerable.

First impressions can be sadly inaccurate.

Those who use posters as pawns, in reference to my last post, exist in real life as well. People who are only interested in others for their own personal satisfaction, pleasure etc.

For example:
That my daughter's former bus driver knows where we live, knows my work place and schedule and knows I am single is now an issue of concern.

Who would have thunk it?


Risk is everywhere and generally where you least expect it.

 

[MissTaken]

Just a thought

See, and that's what I don't get.
I just copy your post where you wrote your name (or any other personal info) and some "judge" edit my post instead of yours.

We'll see. I give it a try. I just "quote" the following personal info from another thread given by the poster itself:



See for yourself

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=3294221#post3294221

If I post my name in a post, you quote the post.

What happens when I wise up and edit out my name?

Our personal info is ours and should be moderated by each of us. I would think that the inflexibility in this rule is designed to err on the side of caution.

 

[Rex1960]

Re: Just a thought

If I post my name in a post, you quote the post.

What happens when I wise up and edit out my name?

Our personal info is ours and should be moderated by each of us. I would think that the inflexibility in this rule is designed to err on the side of caution.

ok - I see your point.

But Intrigued still has her name in hundreds of posts open to the public. That's why I posted the links above.
I would have had no problem editing my own post after Intrigued asked me to do so.
I would have had no problem if a monitor PMed me telling me I've violated a rule asking me to edit that specific post.

But what freaks me the most, nobody removed those insulting and threatening posts I've seen and reported to the monitors. Just nothing happened.
No "hey Rex, stay cool, that was covered under free speech, none of your business", no "thanks for reporting, but we have a different POV and that's why we don't do anything against this specific troll"

Intrigued was forced to remove her website,
she was forced to remove her amateur pics thread
because there's a sicko out there still able to post here as if nothing happened
because a stalker threatened her the way he did she has to face this trouble and the stalker is still able to post

And all people are telling her "sorry Lady, your own fault - you should have known better"

That somehow reminds me of lawsuits where the victim was responsible to be raped just because she wore a short skirt....

I don't get it.

 

[Ishmael]

<snip>

And that's really a major component in my questions. Responsibility. Do you feel more/less/equal responsibility for your words here, than you do elsewhere? Any at all? Why or why not?

So, at the end of the day, what have you gotten from this venue? When you've been flamed, when you're offended, when you're understood and when you're misunderstood, when you're having fun, when you're pissed...what is it that you've walked away with, and how do you handle all that is maybe unsavory, to you. In yourself, and in others....


Thank you.

I've stated my views regrding the community of Lit. on other threads.

Simply put, I see the board and the characters in no different a light than I would any other place that diverse people hang out. Health club, tavern, even your local church. The same personality types are there in much the same manner. Along with a few of the truly viscious.

What have I learned?

Well, it's something that I continually re-learn. And that is to try to be more precise with my words. I type a response in haste and hit the "submit" button with my the intent of my thoughts clearly in mind. Only to have a response that comes as a surprise to me. When I go back and read my original post in a new light, well, by golly I can see where the replier could have taken my post in that manner. Then comes the round of clarification that could have been avoided if I had been a little more careful to begin with.

So, the answer is for the most part I do take responsibility for my posts. Even when I call someone an ignorant piece of shit. And I've done that as well.

Ishmael

 

[intrigued]

Re: Re: This community.

I've stated my views regrding the community of Lit. on other threads.

Simply put, I see the board and the characters in no different a light than I would any other place that diverse people hang out. Health club, tavern, even your local church. The same personality types are there in much the same manner. Along with a few of the truly viscious.

What have I learned?

Well, it's something that I continually re-learn. And that is to try to be more precise with my words. I type a response in haste and hit the "submit" button with my the intent of my thoughts clearly in mind. Only to have a response that comes as a surprise to me. When I go back and read my original post in a new light, well, by golly I can see where the replier could have taken my post in that manner. Then comes the round of clarification that could have been avoided if I had been a little more careful to begin with.

So, the answer is for the most part I do take responsibility for my posts. Even when I call someone an ignorant piece of shit. And I've done that as well.

Ishmael

Thanks Ish. You bring up something I completely agree with. I am a frequent flyer when it comes to the edit button, and thats even after I feel I have tried very hard to be concise and articulate my thoughts as best I can. Usually I edit for my many typos, but sometimes something distracts me and I have to walk away for a sec, and when I come back and reread my post, I actually sit and ask myself "how many ways to Sunday can this be misinterpreted?" Its actually very important to me, if someone is talking to me when I submit a post, I will ask them to hang on a sec while I proof it. (I know, I know.) Usually I know in an instant, and have to edit because if I wait until I'm called on it, then it looks like I'm back tracking, etc. I care how I and my words are perceived. I'm not here to harm or harrass, I am here for interaction that in some way enhances my life.
If I am still misunderstood or just plain wrong, I will see it through with the other person because I want to gain something, not just spout crap and walk away singing "ladeda".


Rex, I appreciate your thoughts, as well as all the other replies. This is just what I had in mind.

Thanks very much.

 

[MunchinMark]

Every word and pic we post here will likely live in perpetuity on servers at Lit, backup discs, tapes, mirror sites, peoples home computers, Carnivore, the hard drives of eastern european porn gathering bots.....etc etc etc.

That sounds expensive. Every post I write must be costing all these people a fortune.




Scratch.

But really, I don't think most people think like that or consider that when they post here or in similar places. Mostly through ignorance, partly through not being bothered about it.