The UN is dead, and------

[weed]

I don't know....if we keep going too far people will get sick of it....and then....horrors....election time.

Bushy better wait until after the next election if he's going to make us a the world police.

The UN has been hurt but it might not be done.

Wouldn't be bad to have it revamped. Or a new union formed.

We need to have something, though.

 

[Lancecastor]

the EU has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

And "You were there."

Ishmael

^^^^^Dreams of Tucker's penis in his bum.

http://www.ipdi.org/images/carlson.jpg

 

[]ooooo(chained)]

weed, the UN needs the political equivalent of Viagra...

 

[weed]

weed, the UN needs the political equivalent of Viagra...

maybe then we can truly make love not war

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Its starting....An asshole runnin 4 Pres.

John Kerry says that we'll need a new president after this war to get us in good with UN again. Guess whom he has in mind?
Kerry said he would heal relations with other countries by approaching the United Nations with an aggressive plan to make the United States a leader on international, environmental and health issues without ceding its right to defend itself.



''I believe we can have a golden age of American diplomacy,'' he said


That's what America is going to want - someone who can entangle us more closely with the UN.
posted

You know, I pretty much think you're a 'dick lick' BB. But on this point you are right. No nation should ever allow itself to me subjugated to the tyranny of the majority. And no free man should ever allow the same.

Ishmael

 

[concrete]

perhaps a TRIP down the GARDEN PATH..
just to chill things out......

love your concept..not your ideas

 

[]ooooo(chained)]

I agree right up to, and including, the dick-lick part...

 

[kotori]

And "You were there."

Thought it is easy for us to perceive the wild instability of the Roman Imperium in its final days, it was not easy for the Romans. Rome, the Eternal City, had been untouchable since the Celts of Gaul had sacked it by surprise in 390 B.C. In the ensuing eight centuries Rome built itself into the world's only superpower, unassailable save for the occasional war on a distant border. The Gauls had long since become civilized Romans, and Rome offered the same Romanization to anyone who wanted it--sometimes, as with the Jews, whether they want it or not. Normally, though, everyone ws dying to be Roman. As Theodoric, the homely king of the Ostrogoths, was fond of saying: "An able Goth wants to be like a Roman; only a poor Roman would want to be like a Goth."

The citizens of the City of Rome, therefore, could not believe it when toward the end of the first decad of the fifth century, they woke to find Alaric, king of the Visigoths, and all his forces parked at their gates. He might as well have been the king of the Fuzzy-Wuzzies, or any other of the inconsequential outlanders that civilized people have looked down their noses at throughout history. It was preposterous. They dispatched a pair of envoys to conduct the tiresome negotiations and send them away. The envoys began with empty threats: any attack on Rome was doomed, for it would be met by invicible strength and innumerable ranks of warriors. Alaric was a sharp man, and in his rough fashion a just one. He also had a sense of humor.

"The thicker the grass, the more easily scythed," he replied evenly.

The envoys quickly recognized that their man was no fool. All right, then, what was the price of his departure? Alaric told them: his men would sweep through the city, taking all gold, all silver, and everything of value that could be moved. They would also round up and cart off every barbarian slave.

But, protested the husterical envoys, what will that leave us?

Alaric paused. "Your lives."

In that pause, Roman security died and a new world was conceived.

"How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Thomas Cahill.

"You were there."

I feel like Gibbon.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: The UN is dead, and------

Thought it is easy for us to perceive the wild instability of the Roman Imperium in its final days, it was not easy for the Romans. Rome, the Eternal City, had been untouchable since the Celts of Gaul had sacked it by surprise in 390 B.C. In the ensuing eight centuries Rome built itself into the world's only superpower, unassailable save for the occasional war on a distant border. The Gauls had long since become civilized Romans, and Rome offered the same Romanization to anyone who wanted it--sometimes, as with the Jews, whether they want it or not. Normally, though, everyone ws dying to be Roman. As Theodoric, the homely king of the Ostrogoths, was fond of saying: "An able Goth wants to be like a Roman; only a poor Roman would want to be like a Goth."

The citizens of the City of Rome, therefore, could not believe it when toward the end of the first decad of the fifth century, they woke to find Alaric, king of the Visigoths, and all his forces parked at their gates. He might as well have been the king of the Fuzzy-Wuzzies, or any other of the inconsequential outlanders that civilized people have looked down their noses at throughout history. It was preposterous. They dispatched a pair of envoys to conduct the tiresome negotiations and send them away. The envoys began with empty threats: any attack on Rome was doomed, for it would be met by invicible strength and innumerable ranks of warriors. Alaric was a sharp man, and in his rough fashion a just one. He also had a sense of humor.

"The thicker the grass, the more easily scythed," he replied evenly.

The envoys quickly recognized that their man was no fool. All right, then, what was the price of his departure? Alaric told them: his men would sweep through the city, taking all gold, all silver, and everything of value that could be moved. They would also round up and cart off every barbarian slave.

But, protested the husterical envoys, what will that leave us?

Alaric paused. "Your lives."

In that pause, Roman security died and a new world was conceived.

"How the Irish Saved Civilization" by Thomas Cahill.


I feel like Gibbon.

No one is responsible for your security but yourself. And empty threats echo in hollow halls.

Dane Geld anyone?

Ishmael

 

[kotori]

Re: Re: Re: The UN is dead, and------

Ishmael

That is THE most annoying habit. Bye.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The UN is dead, and------

That is THE most annoying habit. Bye.

Taking credit for ones words does really irritate others. Never figured out why.

Ishmael

 

[A Desert Rose]

The UN is dead, it's a haven for 3 world nations that do nothing to help each other. They don't even have the balls to uphold the resolutions they make.

I have no opinion about the EU.

You know, nations like Camaroon should have nothing to say about what we choose to do as a nation. (Amazingly, they sat on the security council.) And soon, France will be as 3rd world as the rest.

 

[Guest]

The UN is gonna be resurected by the British and the US, sorry to say.

We should make the UN, Germany and France pay for their actions.....but we wont......Much to my regret!

Hell Germany and France plus a few other countries still owe the United States Money from WW2

The UN has been a joke since the 90's if not longer

 

[zipman]

the EU has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

And "You were there."

Ishmael

The U.N. is at a critical juncture. If it steps up and addresses the issues with North Korea and Iran, then it can become a positive force.

If it is mired in apathy and rhetoric, as it has been for years, then it will likely become obsolete.


As for the EU, I think that they face significant challenges working together due to decades if not centuries of bad feelings. I have no desire to see the EU fail.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: The UN is dead, and------

The U.N. is at a critical juncture. If it steps up and addresses the issues with North Korea and Iran, then it can become a positive force.

Mr. Dollbaby Dom, You know that will never happen. There has been ample opportunity for that body to do the right thing and they have failed miserablly at every turn.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Who thinks the UN needs a restructuring in order to become more effective and carry more weight with the world?

 

[Azwed]

Who thinks the UN needs a restructuring in order to become more effective and carry more weight with the world?

Me.

I have wanted to start a thread about how the UN should be reformed but I haven't since I figured it would just get flooded with dumbasses calling for the destruction of the UN.

Kind of like what happend to my pallestine thread.

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Re: The UN is dead, and------

Mr. Dollbaby Dom, You know that will never happen. There has been ample opportunity for that body to do the right thing and they have failed miserablly at every turn.

Hey Goregeous!


Oh I know they won't do it. Especially under Kofi Anan's milk-toast leadership! He's about as forceful and persuasive as Edith Bunker!

It comes down to accountability. Saying "or else" 17 times just begs someone to see if they can away with it again.

 

[70/30]

And soon, France will be as 3rd world as the rest.

If so, is that good or bad for our economy? Our french fry boycotts, get turned around pretty easy. I don't think we really want the world to pick sides at this point.

 

[70/30]

Most Americans can't name two products from France. That added to America's global favorable rating, and you have it, the worst devised trade war in history.

 

[Azwed]

Most Americans can't name two products from France. That added to America's global favorable rating, and you have it, the worst devised trade war in history.

Renault{sp?}

Mirage

Viacom
uhh besides like foods/wines that all i can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Guest]

Who thinks the UN needs a restructuring in order to become more effective and carry more weight with the world?

I do

 

[70/30]

Renault{sp?}

Mirage

Viacom
uhh besides like foods/wines that all i can think of off the top of my head.

Peugeot, Bain de Soleil, and Cirque de Soleil are going down.

 

[Azwed]

Peugeot, Bain de Soleil, and Cirque de Soleil are going down.

ahh I forgot Peugot.

 

[phrodeau]

Is it misguided to presume the UN might have been more effective against Hussein if the US had paid its membership dues?