The Squalid Scam of Supply Side Economic Policy, by John Engelman

[Sh1ne0n67]

Remember JohnE?

There was a time when we had a 90% tax bracket
and the rich put in so many loopholes that they paid nothing.

FairTax.Org
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

By condemning the popular desire for a more progressive tax system you are saying that most Americans have a moral obligation to favor economic policies that benefit the best paid 20% of the population at their expense.

No, I'm not saying that at all.

The glaring lie here is that it's at their expense. Not stealing my shit isn't an expense to you... that's just wildly dishonest.

What I am saying is that Americans have an ideological, moral and national obligation (as American citizens ) to favor liberty and equality, not authoritarian collectivism and equity.... because we aren't Russia, Cuba, N. Korea or China and we shouldn't try to be, we should reject those values that make them truly the places of nightmares and human suffering.

This chart, which I have posted before, demonstrates that the best paid 20% of the country are better off. The best paid within that 20% benefited the most.

Yes, given freedom and equality the cream rises to the top.... the fastest runner pulls ahead....the best value products sell better.

That's not a bad thing.

The chart does not demonstrate a broadly based economic expansion, which is what we did have when the top tax rate never got below 70%, and was often much higher, and when the national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) steadily declined, as I have also documented.

Yes.... shitting on the top makes more equitable outcomes.

The debt is again, as much a spending issue as it is a taxing issue... they have to be appropriately balanced.

Facts matter

Yes but opinions surrounding those facts not quite as much.

We both see the same issue. We just have differing opinions on what should be done about them. We have differing core values.

You are concerned with equity, creating equal outcomes, this is what you seem to think the US governments job is.

I am concerned with preserving and enhancing the individual and civil liberties of the citizens, that's what I think the US government's job is.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You are concerned with equity, creating equal outcomes, this is what you seem to think the US governments job is.

I am concerned with preserving and enhancing the individual and civil liberties of the citizens, that's what I think the US government's job is.

I never said that I am in favor of equal outcomes. I am in favor of government efforts to reduce economic inequality. So are most Americans.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Note! We still use the infrastructure that the New Deal made
Without the electric power from dams they made, we are not this United States
We are not investing to stay the same United States the Greatest Generation created.
More people need to be invested in America

Get out and pick up your own shit. Stop waiting for government to help you

Gee.. if only some President could put that into words!

Plant a trillion trees? Well? Go do it!! Oh wait! Trump even said we need to rake our forests better!!

The Corporatocracy has no economic incentive or patriotic duty to do shit for America! Hell, they can’t even pay or insure Americans properly ! Stop handing them tax benefits that don’t begin to “trickle down”. America is designed to suck money UP
For a while they were convincing people to mine the gold out of their own mouths!
Get a reverse mortgage!!

 

[Pad_Foot]

Quick point?
Most of us pay property tax for houses we don’t even fully own
One percent tax on wealth that exceeds our real wealth
Why the fuck shouldn’t the billionaires pay 1 percent on the shit the do own?
Granted they pay property tax on their mansions, but that isn’t equivalent

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

I never said that I am in favor of equal outcomes.

Yet you support policy to those ends.

I am in favor of government efforts to reduce economic inequality. So are most Americans.

We have economic equality. Your dollar spends exactly the same as mine.

You guys are all about taking from anyone with more than you to provide for those who don't have the money to pay for their shit ...... that's the pursuit equity or of equal outcomes. Not equality, not fairness.

Most Americans can't even find their fuckin' state on a map, the fact that they think they want communism and that the equity utopia is just "tax the rich!" away is just a testament to how economically illiterate most Americans are. Public schools.... LOL what a joke.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Yet you support policy to those ends.



We have economic equality. Your dollar spends exactly the same as mine.

You guys are all about taking from anyone with more than you to provide for those who don't have the money to pay for their shit ...... that's the pursuit equity or of equal outcomes. Not equality, not fairness.

Most Americans can't even find their fuckin' state on a map, the fact that they think they want communism and that the equity utopia is just "tax the rich!" away is just a testament to how economically illiterate most Americans are. Public schools.... LOL what a joke.

I wish people like you wrote speeches and campaign literature for Republican candidates.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Remember JohnE?

There was a time when we had a 90% tax bracket
and the rich put in so many loopholes that they paid nothing.

FairTax.Org
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

That was never true. During the 1950's the rich paid higher taxes on lower incomes.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

You still don't get it.

The only people who pay taxes are the middle class.
The poor, we absolve (and we shouldn't) and the rich pass them on.
The poor don't write the laws, the middle class doesn't write the tax codes.

There's a reason that we put a blindfold on Lady justice and if you really mean
all that crap and bellowing about equality, then you need to put a blindfold on Uncle Sam (the IRS).
Anything else devolves into divide and rule and he who has the money ultimately writes the rules in his favor.

FairTax.org
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Chobham]

You still don't get it.

The only people who pay taxes are the middle class.
The poor, we absolve (and we shouldn't) and the rich pass them on.
The poor don't write the laws, the middle class doesn't write the tax codes.

There's a reason that we put a blindfold on Lady justice and if you really mean
all that crap and bellowing about equality, then you need to put a blindfold on Uncle Sam (the IRS).
Anything else devolves into divide and rule and he who has the money ultimately writes the rules in his favor.

FairTax.org
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

In reality the poor pay the most regressive taxes of all, Medicare-Medicaid and payroll. Other than that your post is spot on.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Thanks.

It also highlights another facet of the divide and rule aspect;
we have a tax for everything, you cannot keep track of them.
When one is proposed, if it doesn't affect you personally, then
you have no vested interest in contemplating what the actual
effects of the tax will be. Gas taxes? I ride a bike! I don't care.
BUT! Gas taxes were involved at every step of the manufacture
of the bike as well as its shipment and the transportation costs
of everyone involved in its manufacture, wholesaling and retailing.

And that applies to every single product, all of the hidden taxes
we pay and how easy it is for the cost of everything we purchase
to be raised by stealth which is why I am a proponent of the Fair Tax
because if we had a debate on raising that rate, it would hold Congress
more accountable and enforce a little bit more government restraint.
As it is, it's easy for the economically illiterate to say, yeah, put a tax on that,
it doesn't come out of my wallet, or so easy to say take it from the rich,
it doesn't come out of my pocket or tax that product, I don't use it...

When you feel that it is right to tax those above your station in life
to pay their fair share, i.e., relieve you of paying your fair share,
then everyone below your station in life will feel that it is right
and proper to similarly tax you instead of them paying more.
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[Chobham]

My personal favorites are the excise taxes. For example the Federal Telephone Excise Tax. A tax that was imposed in 1898 to help pay for the Spanish-American War. A tax that is still in force today.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

I'd wager that 95% of taxpayers don't know that little factoid and it is just one of a myriad.

Economic death by a thousand government legislated paper cuts.
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[UltraMAGAKing]

I wish people like you wrote speeches and campaign literature for Republican candidates.

Why? Those do-nothing weenies need a different kind of lecturing.....

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

In reality the poor pay the most regressive taxes of all, Medicare-Medicaid and payroll. Other than that your post is spot on.

Yea but they don't pay the bulk of it... they don't have the money for it.

It's the middle to upper middle class that pays most of it.

The end consumers have to suck nearly the entire long throbbing cock of the tax man.... and the biggest consumers are the middle class, the poor don't have it and the rich just pass their expenses, including their taxes, onto their customers.