The Ronald Reagan America Does Not Want To See

[Gringao]

I dont think so. Reagan was popular most of the time he was in office. Truman was not. Reagan was a cheerleader who told Americans that we were great. That is what Americans wanted. Reagan did not take on the BIG strategic, economic and environmental issue of foreign oil dependence. He was one of many presidents to ignore the 500lb gorilla in the room. That is the nature of a supposed free market economy. By the time its leaders identifies a problem as real it is too late to fix without major hurt to many people. They wait and wait for the market to solve the problem. Adam Smith is not a cureall. If his philosphy was there would be no need for any govt. In the coming years there will probably be lots of wars with death and destruction due to countries trying to control oil supplies. There will be many more deaths and destruction from global warming. Historians will look back on this time and in reference to the US leadership use the quote that "As Nero fiddled Rome burned". Reagan was a spokesperson or salesman selling the American dream he was not a leader.

That's some highly-concentrated bullshit you laid down there, Timmy.

 

[dead.jihadist]

it could be argued that if Jimmy Carter hadnt been such a LOSER reagan would have never been elected.but, the fact is that Carter was a total FAILURE and as such ushered in the Reagan era.

many of todays issues in the middle east can be directly tied to carter and his failed policies, but, you liberal cunts continue to bash a dead man.

and hellbaby, you are still a worthless cumdump.

 

[Purple Haze]

We sent Iraq fuck-all.

Shows what you know about anything...

 

[Gringao]

Shows what you know about anything...

I've seen numbers that indicate we sold Saddam, depending on how you measure it, anywhere from 0.007% to around 1.5% of his overall arsenal. Russia, China and France are the big playas, homey.

http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

 

[Purple Haze]

Nice graph, did they keep receipts on Iran too?

 

[SeaDaddy1]

Excuse me, but I'm new here.

I'm new here, but damn if there aren't some cold hard cruel people on this thread. Everybody's gettin' slammed left and right. Its' entertainin'. And what's weird is that I agree with a good bit of it.

 

[woody54]

Well. I agree w/you on the corporate America thing. But please don't come across as judging all Americans because of a select group. And, honestly, I know little about Blair's past. Can't pass judgement on him. I guess I'm just gratefull he stood in harm's way to align England w/U.S. in the Middle East and terrorism. Even if I don't agree w/U.S. mixed intentions and don't want to be there.

There exists an orchestrated international programme to corporatise the world and it is called Gobalisation. The USA is the centre of capitalisation efforts for this programme because their no holds barred economic system is geared to maximum exploitation with minimum conscience.

That the American populace is committed to their system which survives by stepping on the throats of weaker nations for their assets, then culpability is spread across that nation's citizens.

To absolve ones self from shared responsibility, a fairer world view is necessary backed up by political efforts that are counter to globalist exploitation.

Americans, in general, cannot judge their own position in this melee of greed because they are propagandised into believing the world hates them and is a threat to their existence when in truth of history, it is the exact opposite situation that exists.
This lie serves only the interests of pacifying Americans to justify the horrors of war, degradation and murder that their efforts force on asset rich regions like Africa and the Middle east so Americans can live a cheap, decadent life on the misery of other human beings, all the while being bluffed into thinking they are saving the world.

In reality, the world would be a better place without an America leading the way.

Americans en masse have to be judged for their communal actions actions on the world to support their corrupt lifestyle.

The above comments apply equally, if to a lesser degree these days , to the other exploitative European nations that combine with the US through the UN and its tentacles of international finance to subvert nation states integrity and self determination by forcing democracy and free markets as the means of market access to suck the blood of those nations wealth.

 

[woody54]

I dont think America has had a great president since FDR. Greatness would have required a president to recognize the problem created by dependence on oil from the Middle East. Instead of creating a military large enough to control those resources a great president would have challenged America to become energy independent. Where would America be today if instead of the wasted effort of going to the barren Moon those resources had been applied to achieving energy independence based on alternative energy? America's leaders since FDR have exhibited a noted lack of vision and leadership. Access to affordable energy is essential for economic growth and strategic security. Every other issue is either created by our dependence on foreign oil or is insignificant in comparison. It has been THE issue requiring presidential leadership. Unfortunately like slavery from 1820 to 1860 US leaders found it easier not to solve that issue either. Failure to resolve that issue through political means meant that 600,000 Americans had to die to resolve the issue. It will probably take major American casualties again to solve this problem because politicians cant seem to find the courage or imagination to solve the problem.

What you have descibed here is the creeping effect of globalists taking control of the direction of the world.
FDR was perhaps the last President to actually work for people, his followers certainly have supported Corporate interests after WWII made the US the dominant economic force in the world.

There is no going back to people power until voters start rejecting the partisan bickering scam that deflects interest in cold realities and they start voting for politicians that radically move away from the entrenched system of graft and corrupt management associated with supporting Corporate greed.

 

[Gringao]

Nice graph, did they keep receipts on Iran too?

Do you have anything that contradicts this, other than your usual empty gibberings? Even Ken Pollack, Clinton's Iraq policy chief, says we never sent anything to Saddam but some aging helicopters. Maybe the experts at Indymedia know better, eh?

 

[Gringao]

There exists an orchestrated international programme to corporatise the world and it is called Gobalisation. The USA is the centre of capitalisation efforts for this programme because their no holds barred economic system is geared to maximum exploitation with minimum conscience.

Hey Woodhead, I see that NZ is sending imperial stormtroopers to subjugate East Timor. You headed to Aukland to chain your stupid ass to a door in protest?

 

[woody54]

Could be a problem there. We'll see how it pans out.
Of course, if you really dig the death toll of women and children, the "insurgents" win hands down.

Well, duhhh!!!!
Who is responsible for breaking down the control system that maintained peace in the state and not having a clue about how to replace it?

Could be the plan always was to throw petrol on the fire and to "shake it up and see what happened" as Wolfowitz intimated, knowing widespread death and destruction was an automatic result of removing the barriers to ethnic antipathy existing in Iraq.

However you judge it, it is American sticky fingers that caused the current civil war for their own political/financial ends.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

Keep it up folks. I'm just an ignorant SOB. I'm learnin' a few things.

 

[woody54]

Hey Woodhead, I see that NZ is sending imperial stormtroopers to subjugate East Timor. You headed to Aukland to chain your stupid ass to a door in protest?

As a white colony of England, NZ with Australia are committed to the One World Plan of fucking over the East Timorese for their oil, and we do it as usual hiding in the skirts of international policing by the UN. Australia has demanded an 80/20 split of oil rights from the territorial waters of East Timor because they can by bully power. Indigenous rights have no meaning to globalist greed and forces of white soldiers appear to enforce that greedy intent the world over.

I applaud the Bougainville residents for holding out against Globalist pressure for their copper but it is only a matter of time before they lose it particularly when you see the recent several hundred percent rise in copper values to reinflate pressure for exploitation.

An interesting point of news coverage here is that , like Iraq, we are going to quell a force of 600 "rebel" army dissidents who are formenting terror after being ejected from the government force.
No information is available as to why these people are dissidents or why there appears to be an orchestrated starvation programme and breakdown of civil order in the local city populations.

 

[Gringao]

Keep it up folks. I'm just an ignorant SOB. I'm learnin' a few things.

I hope you aren't learning from our local nutlog, Woody. It would take you months to unlearn all the stupid shit before we could fill you with correct information.

 

[Gringao]

As a white colony of England, NZ with Australia are committed to the One World Plan of fucking over the East Timorese for their oil, and we do it as usual hiding in the skirts of international policing by the UN.

Fuck Woody, first you cry like a bitch about the UN not running the show and now you whine like a baby that they are. Are you just hoping that the Muslims exterminate the Christian East Timorese so you can get some good Islamicock there?

 

[woody54]

Do you have anything that contradicts this, other than your usual empty gibberings? Even Ken Pollack, Clinton's Iraq policy chief, says we never sent anything to Saddam but some aging helicopters. Maybe the experts at Indymedia know better, eh?

Dont forget those fancy silver handguns Rumsfeld presented to Saddam on behalf of the USA.

That was an odd act of benevolence to an unimportant dictator for someone the US is now claiming they didnt care about.
Maybe his emnity for Iran and the US's recent arse kicking by them then had more underground CIA pull than you are prepared to admit.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

I hope you aren't learning from our local nutlog, Woody. It would take you months to unlearn all the stupid shit before we could fill you with correct information.

No sir. I really know most of it is B.S.. I'm just not much of an intellectual and this is funny to me. And I like your Avatar. Got the same picture in some still packed boxes. Just moved to Texas.

 

[Gringao]

Dont forget those fancy silver handguns Rumsfeld presented to Saddam on behalf of the USA.

That was an odd act of benevolence to an unimportant dictator for someone the US is now claiming they didnt care about.
Maybe his emnity for Iran and the US's recent arse kicking by them then had more underground CIA pull than you are prepared to admit.

Oh...nice chromed six-shooters, eh? That ought to take us up to, oh, 1.00000000000000001%. As for the rest, I'll just take your non-answer as a "no."

 

[woody54]

Fuck Woody, first you cry like a bitch about the UN not running the show and now you whine like a baby that they are. Are you just hoping that the Muslims exterminate the Christian East Timorese so you can get some good Islamicock there?

Yes, I cry like a bitch about globalism and corruption.


If you think the Timorese problem is anything to do with Muslims vs. Christians, you are seriously misguided. Its all about the oil , baby. Just ask all the US concessionaires who now control the rights.
Why do you think the army split? I would suggest indigenous rights would be a more relevant area for your interest. Ask the Indians how they feel and you will see the power of those feelings against white exploitation.
New Zealand has deep seated indigenous grievances too, some ongoing, for the same reasonings.

Fuck the UN in the way it has been warped to promote globalism and I do not endorse that track. It has become a corrupt organisation by those running it. God God, just wonder why a scumbag like Bolton is the best the US can do for what is meant to be a benevolent organisation in the world.


The concept of the UN was a good one but it has only become cleaaarer over time it is just another vehicle to change the world with health, welfare,education, security, development, finance and innumerable other factors now being controlled globally by connected elitists inside and outside that organisation.

 

[Gringao]

Yes, I cry like a bitch about globalism and corruption.


If you think the Timorese problem is anything to do with Muslims vs. Christians, you are seriously misguided. Its all about the oil , baby. Just ask all the US concessionaires who now control the rights.
Why do you think the army split? I would suggest indigenous rights would be a more relevant area for your interest. Ask the Indians how they feel and you will see the power of those feelings against white exploitation.
New Zealand has deep seated indigenous grievances too, some ongoing, for the same reasonings.

Fuck the UN in the way it has been warped to promote globalism and I do not endorse that track. It has become a corrupt organisation by those running it. God God, just wonder why a scumbag like Bolton is the best the US can do for what is meant to be a benevolent organisation in the world.


The concept of the UN was a good one but it has only become cleaaarer over time it is just another vehicle to change the world with health, welfare,education, security, development, finance and innumerable other factors now being controlled globally by connected elitists inside and outside that organisation.

Bolton fucking rocks. He's easily the best UN ambassador we've had since Jeanne Kirkpatrick. It's a joy to see him skewer those gasbags at Turtle Bay.

Globalization is coming, nancy boy. Get used to the idea.

 

[woody54]

I hope you aren't learning from our local nutlog, Woody. It would take you months to unlearn all the stupid shit before we could fill you with correct information.

Hahaha, Gringao, m'lad, you are a denier of truths and reality in your false, propagandised world.

As an example of the reality I refer to,in line with the thread topic, I recommend you seek out the book by David A. Stockman that details his time as an insider in Reagan's inner circle where he was the chief architect of Reaganomics.

He states quite clearly that the arsehole greedies in the administration took all the tax cuts which were a plank of smaller government but refused to cut any of the pork from their budgets to meet a balanced budget. The result was the US economy all but collapsed from the distortion.

These were the real controllers of the Reagan era. Reagan was a pretty boy public face who could convey a caring image while the economic deviates conspired in the background to rob the public and exploit other nations wealth using US forces at will and in a veil of lies and deceit.
Reagan was either a stupid , out of touch duffer or a duplicitous exploiter like the Bush family. I err on the side of misguided and misadvised rightwing duffer, a tool of the globalists.

 

[JamesSD]

He was a president so immersed in anti-gay bigotry and so bereft of non-Hallmark-style compassion that from the time the Centers for Disease Control announced the discovery of AIDS in mid-1981, until 1987, he couldn't bring himself to publicly utter the name of the deadly disease -- part of a policy approach that surely cost many thousands of lives. Yet he is being lauded by countless pundits for his sunny disposition.

For me, this is what defines the problems with Reagan. The AIDS crisis was a huge health issue of his presidency, one he couldn't have possibly handled any worse.

I respect economic conservatives. But social conservatives make me want to scream.

 

[woody54]

Bolton fucking rocks. He's easily the best UN ambassador we've had since Jeanne Kirkpatrick. It's a joy to see him skewer those gasbags at Turtle Bay.

Globalization is coming, nancy boy. Get used to the idea.

LOL, be careful what you wish for.
Need I remind you that the US will be the first major western country to collapse under the thumb of One Worlders completely because your 'Freedoms"concept has made the country too vulnerable for self preservation.

Why does a free country need concentration camps to hold 15 million people? Sounds too much like 1984 to me.
The US has advanced majorly towards a nazi police state uunder your dark lord and master, George and for voting him in again , you deserve all hhhe gives you.... which is fuck all benefit to you personally but lots to his cronies, dupe.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Concentration camps...

lol

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

For me, this is what defines the problems with Reagan. The AIDS crisis was a huge health issue of his presidency, one he couldn't have possibly handled any worse.

I respect economic conservatives. But social conservatives make me want to scream.

There's a Liberal for you. I can take a fiscal conservative, but social conservatives wanted Gay People to die.

No they wanted them to stop fucking evrything that moves without protection in the fucking bath houses and stop doing the fucking poppers...