The Oscars & Gay Politics

[Lancecastor]

Straight women want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about fucking them.

Straight men want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about being them.

So goes the standard reasoning behind why allegedly gay male actors like Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey, etc aren't out of the closet.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

 

[Queersetti]

Straight women want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about fucking them.

Straight men want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about being them.

So goes the standard reasoning behind why allegedly gay male actors like Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey, etc aren't out of the closet.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

One would think that a top notch lawyer such as yourself would appreciate that "allegedly" and "known" are not synonymous.

 

[HammerFan]

Actually, anyone who would wish to "out" people like Spacey or Cruise has more in common with our repressive government and the fundamentalist religious people, than they do with helping the gay movement.

What Cruise, Spacey and any of the others do in their bedrooms is not our business. If they came "out", they would be "out" of work.

Gay fascism sucks.

 

[Netzach]

I think that everyone underestimates straight women.

I think to a lot of women, a whole untapped market of Sex and the City esque (barf) 20 30 somethings, it would be even hotter to be queer.

 

[Cigan]

Lance baby I have one thing to day to you. Ian McKellen(Did I spell that correctly?). Gayest actor in all of hollywood and oh yeah baby he is so very very out.

As far as Cruise and Spacy. If they are indeed gay they do a damned good job of hiding it in interviews. I generally have excellent gaydar, and neither of these people set mine off. Now Spacy is an excellent actor so perhaps he is just that damned good at hiding it. Cruise couldn't act his way out of a sterortypical character portrayal. There is no way he's that good as to subdue the flame. I'm pretty damned sure he's straight.

 

[Lancecastor]

Lance baby I have one thing to day to you. Ian McKellen(Did I spell that correctly?). Gayest actor in all of hollywood and oh yeah baby he is so very very out.

I was thinking about A List leading men as opposed to actors at the end of their careers...perhaps I should have been more specific.

Surely you are not suggesting there are no gay A List leading men. I suggest there are, and they stay firmly in the closet to keep earning big dollars.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

Edited to add: Can you find a current A list leading man in this list or name one who's out?

http://www.famousandgay.com/

 

[Netzach]

I dunno about Cruise but N Kidman sets of my dar like a Uboat and supposedly they had a very very thick prenup. Mmmmm.

McKellen is oft quoted as saying the best thing he ever did for his career was to come out. Maybe it's safe, but I think he does something few icons can...
old, gay and sexy.

Anyone seen his boy toy? Ay ay ay. Mrowr.

Spacey trips my bidar. Something a little penetrable in that jowly soft mopeyness, but everything looks like a nail when you're a hammer and I'd like Kevin Spacey for my own personal bisexual bottom.

Lance...

if these people all came out they'd be doing the Gay community the worst kind of disservice. They'd totally kill our ability to dish, speculate, fantasize and bitch about closet hollywood.

 

[Adrenaline]

I was thinking about A List leading men as opposed to actors at the end of their careers...perhaps I should have been more specific.

Which A list men are you talking about specifically, and when you mention names, some concrete evidence of their homosexuality would be nice. Personal gaydars cannot be submitted as evidence.

In any case, if there are any "A-list" actors who are in the closet they are under no obligation to anyone-except perhaps loved ones-to say anything publicly about their homosexuality. It is a personal issue and one that they themselves must come to terms with.

 

[Cigan]

I was thinking about A List leading men as opposed to actors at the end of their careers...perhaps I should have been more specific.

Surely you are not suggesting there are no gay A List leading men. I suggest there are, and they stay firmly in the closet to keep earning big dollars.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

Edited to add: Can you find a current A list leading man in this list or name one who's out?

http://www.famousandgay.com/

Hmmm . . . . let's see. Oh yes. Alan Cummings. I believe that would be the person I would pick. Villian in Shanhai Knights, and Nighcrawler in X-Mex 2. Has hosted SNL, and is extremely well known for his performance in Cabaret and in the British version of QAF. Considering his career started in purely British theater, he's damned A-list for how long he's been over here. (And he was out before crossing the pond, so there goes your theory that you can't move up in the world if you're out) Yawn. Yes well I believe I will turn in for the night.

 

[Funmale]

Hi there

I am a jobbing actor here in UK, small parts in a few films, still trying to get noticed!! Have recently done some theatre here in London and come across two of the people you mention above, Ian M and Kevin Spacey.

I am bi, and those in the theatre world here are naturally very creative and the lines blur when it comes to sex and to be fair we are not megabuck actors who are idolised (thank god) and as a result the scene is very gay.

Ian Mckellan has often "casted" a few young actors for extra training and is widely regarded as a hero to many and is proud to be an iron - he was interviewed by a american film journo and was asked

"aren't you a bit disappointed that Gandalf doesn't have a love interest in the film?"

To which he replied " Oh but I have dear, Orlando Bloom"

Class!

 

[Bitchslapper]

Lance, you are contradicting yourself. You ask if "known gay actors" are doing a disservice to "gay politics" (whatever that is) by staying in the closet...but if they're known to be gay, then aren't they already out? What I mean is, if we can legitimately say an actor is gay, then what is there to tell?

The problem is, Kevin Spacey and Tom Cruise are not "known" to be gay, they've merely been accused of it (like it's a crime). You have to wonder about the accusor's motives when they target someone famous and accuse them of anything.

 

[College_geek]

This isn't completely on the subject, but when I saw the thread title, I felt the need to mention this for those who didn't watch the Oscars.
I found it wonderful that one of the men who won an Oscar...I forget which category it was...it was either short subject documentary, or make-up or something...anyway, the last thing he said was that he thanked his boyfriend. It sounded so natural that it took myself and my friends a moment to actually realize what he said. Apparently, I read somewhere the next day, the two of them had only been dating for two months. I found this subtle little political statement really nice and really sweet, too. Just thought I'd comment on it.

 

[Pookie]

I was thinking about A List leading men as opposed to actors at the end of their careers...perhaps I should have been more specific.

Surely you are not suggesting there are no gay A List leading men. I suggest there are, and they stay firmly in the closet to keep earning big dollars.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

Edited to add: Can you find a current A list leading man in this list or name one who's out?

http://www.famousandgay.com/

How would an "allegedly" gay actor, not talking about his private life, be doing a disservice to progress on gay rights? Do heterosexual actors expose everything about their private lives? Do "allegedly" heterosexual actors, not talking about their private lives, do a disservice to progress on straight rights?

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I wouldn't say that gay actors coming out would necessarily mean that they would lose their female fans' interest. I have a major crush on the guys from Queer Eye, and I actually think that a great part of that is because I'll never have to see them smooching some sleazy silcone-bimbo in front of the paparazzi and think "what does he see in that slut?"

There's something very endearing about gay guys. They may not have the same sexual appeal, but the courage to come out combined with a cute face and a cheerful personality works like a Viagra-injection for me.

 

[MzChrista]

Straight women want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about fucking them.

Straight men want leading men to be straight so they can fantasize about being them.

So goes the standard reasoning behind why allegedly gay male actors like Tom Cruise, Kevin Spacey, etc aren't out of the closet.

Do known gay actors do a disservice to progress on gay rights by remaining in the closet for cash?

Lance that question is so lame even Lipflapper figured out what was stupid about it.

 

[glamorilla]

I would so totally do Kevin Spacey.

 

[Cigan]

I don't know. Spacey always struck me as the guy I would hang out with at the coffee house the day after a trick and laugh about it with. He's too much cuddly not enough stud for me to actually go into fantasy mode about.

 

[CasperTG]

This isn't completely on the subject, but when I saw the thread title, I felt the need to mention this for those who didn't watch the Oscars. I found it wonderful that one of the men who won an Oscar...I forget which category it was...it was either short subject documentary, or make-up or something...anyway, the last thing he said was that he thanked his boyfriend. It sounded so natural that it took myself and my friends a moment to actually realize what he said. Apparently, I read somewhere the next day, the two of them had only been dating for two months. I found this subtle little political statement really nice and really sweet, too. Just thought I'd comment on it.

Thanks for bringing that up! Nice to know someone noticed!

The category was Best Animated Short Film, and was won by an Aussie, Adam Elliot for his film, Harvie Krumpet.

In all the press here (Australia) it is being reported as a very controversial statement, given Bush's (unsurprisingly stupid) plans to ammend the constitution to ban gay marriages. It's being reported that every interviewer has asked him about it, and he shocked Hollywood with that part of his speech etc etc. I don't know if that's true, but we Aussies are pretty surprised that such a big deal was made of it.
To me it just seems natural - when accepting such an award, you thank the people you are close to and love most who have helped support you in the making of the film. Including your partner!

And yeah, I realise it's not totally on topic, but hey I thought it interesting!

CasperTG

 

[Bitchslapper]

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Lance that question is so lame even Lipflapper figured out what was stupid about it.

Don't even fucking start with me. I'm not in the mood to deal with your stupid hypocritical ass, manhater.

 

[Cigan]

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Don't even fucking start with me. I'm not in the mood to deal with your stupid hypocritical ass, manhater.

You know Lance I know we don't really like each other, but I'm gonna have to stand up for you here. MzChrista if you want to call Lance on something he said that was cruel or unpleasant then that's one thing. But he hasn't done anything in this thread, and was actually making a good point. Calling him or anyone else names is just going to cause a flame war. Don't do that. I think I can speak for at least most of the people here when I say we like it more when there aren't huge flame wars going on (I'll admit I've given in to them, but as a rule I try to avoid it). Though I also think you could not encourage her Lance. Which getting pissed off it just going to do.

 

[MzChrista]

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Don't even fucking start with me. I'm not in the mood to deal with your stupid hypocritical ass, manhater.

Theres a dead giveaway.

 

[MzChrista]

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You know Lance I know we don't really like each other, but I'm gonna have to stand up for you here. MzChrista if you want to call Lance on something he said that was cruel or unpleasant then that's one thing. But he hasn't done anything in this thread, and was actually making a good point. Calling him or anyone else names is just going to cause a flame war. Don't do that. I think I can speak for at least most of the people here when I say we like it more when there aren't huge flame wars going on (I'll admit I've given in to them, but as a rule I try to avoid it). Though I also think you could not encourage her Lance. Which getting pissed off it just going to do.

I didnt call him a name I said that his question was lame and stupid, which it was.

Thanks for the lecture though, dont know what Id do without your fucking advice.

 

[Pookie]

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You know Lance I know we don't really like each other, but I'm gonna have to stand up for you here. MzChrista if you want to call Lance on something he said that was cruel or unpleasant then that's one thing. But he hasn't done anything in this thread, and was actually making a good point. Calling him or anyone else names is just going to cause a flame war. Don't do that. I think I can speak for at least most of the people here when I say we like it more when there aren't huge flame wars going on (I'll admit I've given in to them, but as a rule I try to avoid it). Though I also think you could not encourage her Lance. Which getting pissed off it just going to do.

If you think Lance is trying to have a genuine conversation about this, you really need to do some more research into Lance. His intent is never genuine or without some ulterior motive. The question Lance asked was nonsense. He had no intention from the beginning to have an intellectual conversation. The responses he has gotten were very appropriate. His whole purpose for the thread was to try to get under the skin of a few specific people here.

 

[Cigan]

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I didnt call him a name I said that his question was lame and stupid, which it was.

Thanks for the lecture though, dont know what Id do without your fucking advice.

I was actually refering to calling Bitchslapper Lipflapper. He can be abrasive and he has certainly gotten on my nerves before but he certainly doesn't deserve to be called random names in threads that he hasn't done anything in. And it wasn't advice. Advice is when you tell someone an opinion meant to help them. It was a request to keep things pleasant. Request and Advice not the same thing.

Though I would like to see my advice fucking. It's a lovely mental image.

 

[Cigan]

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If you think Lance is trying to have a genuine conversation about this, you really need to do some more research into Lance. His intent is never genuine or without some ulterior motive. The question Lance asked was nonsense. He had no intention from the beginning to have an intellectual conversation. The responses he has gotten were very appropriate. His whole purpose for the thread was to try to get under the skin of a few specific people here.

I feel stupid. I didn't mean Lance in my last post. I have been quite exhausted. I meant to say I didn't think Christa should call Bitchslapper Lipflapper. As much as he's gotten under people's skin in other threads, he hadn't pushed any buttons in this thread when Christa posted. I got my handles mixed up. Sorry.