JohnEngelman
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It's unfortunate that your encounter with Trotskyism involved the YSA. About as serious re Trotskyism as a bunch of high school white kids talking gangsta. Welcome to America. Where revolutionary ideas go to die.During the War in Vietnam I attended something called "The Socialist Summer School." it was given under the aegis of the Young Socialist Alliance. This was the youth affiliate of the Socialist Workers' Party, which had broken off from the American Communist Party during the 1930's, when Trotsky was expelled from the Soviet Union.
The Young Socialist Alliance would give us a pamphlet to read. The next week we would discuss the pamphlet.
One week the topic of discussion was the United Auto Workers' Union. A member of the Socialist Workers' Party began with a lecture on how the United Auto Workers' union had betrayed auto workers.
I raised my hand and politely said, "Working on an automobile assembly line requires no more skill than working in a fast food restaurant. Nevertheless, auto workers are paid much more than fast food workers. They also have good benefits. This is because of the work of the United Auto Workers' Union. How has the Socialist Workers' Party benefited auto workers? All you guys seem to do is talk."
He could not answer my question.
We always heard in the Communist Party that the Stalin purges were necessary to defend the Soviet Union. So why was there no effective defense on 22 June 1941?Lev went painfully. Always gives me a cringe. He sure as Hell made winning the Russian Civil War happen. He could be ruthless like the rest of those folks.
Stalin did drag the USSR kicking and screaming into the 20th century as far as the development of industry. If he hadn't, the western part might still be a German vassal. His farm policy was abysmal.
We always heard in the Communist Party that the Stalin purges were necessary to defend the Soviet Union. So why was there no effective defense on 22 June 1941?
I argue that the SU was in the 20th c. from 1921 to 1931.
After that, the Caucasian bandit with the yellow eyes, as Lenin described him, dragged it kicking, screaming, bleeding, and moribund back to about the 17th c. in Russ historical terms.
And thus the gargoyle of the Kremlin now attempts to subjugate Europe, with the brainless help of copperheads like J.D. Vance, kapos like Sean O'Brien, and befuddled followers of the person I once called Nancy Leprosi.
Reagan's shining city on a hill is now Putin's shithouse in a ghost town.
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You had a very limited contact with a small group of people about who you had no real curiosity. Like almost everyone else on this site you dabble in cliches and stereotypes.Bigtitsbitch1000x,
The members of Young Socialist Alliance I knew were college students radicalized by the War in Vietnam. Some had left the Students for a Democratic Society when SDS broke up into various splinter organizations.
The members of the Socialist Workers' Party I knew were middle aged men who had failed to achieve their goals in life. They could not pass the Bar Exam, or they flunk out of law school or medical school.
In The True Believer Eric Hoffer said that political extremists become that way because they lack confidence in their abilities.
Radzinsky is good. The best Stalin bio is still Souvarine.Thank you again for pulling no punches. I never have to ask you, "so, tell me, how do you really feel?"
He was certainly a Georgian bandit - from seminary no less. There was that bank job in '05 where he nearly blew himself up. I reckon that's how he funded the party. He was always good at getting annoying people removed. If I'm not mistaken, he got 8 trips to the far east from the Tsar and always managed to escape. Radzinsky theorizes that it's because he'd sell out some annoying party people and they'd decline to follow him when he walked. Hell, they may have provided train fare because it's a long hike back.
So, 20th century industry - kinda - and certainly a cult of fear rivalling anything Ivan 3 could have pulled off.
Russian/Soviet machines and equipment are a hoot. Clunky crappy ugly half=assed pieces of shit, but the parts that have to fit to make it work, do, and the damned things work.
Russian people are long-suffering, but durable.
Love the Nancy Leprosi!!!!
Radzinsky is good. The best Stalin bio is still Souvarine.
The machines: when the Lada car was first offered for sale in foreign countries, its alleged advantage was its heavy suspension thanks to horrid Sov roads.
The Kalashnikov was their only decent export item aside from natural resources and vodka tainted with industrial chems.
In 1964 I was informed by my GRU control (an American) that the USSR would not survive another quarter century.
The reason? The Bolshies imagined producing consumer goods that would dazzle the world. But nobody ever bragged about owning a Sov watch, pen, or car. The propaganda books we distributed were abominably low in quality.
The Russians endure, but at what cost?
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That's because he was stupid.During the War in Vietnam I attended something called "The Socialist Summer School." it was given under the aegis of the Young Socialist Alliance. This was the youth affiliate of the Socialist Workers' Party, which had broken off from the American Communist Party during the 1930's, when Trotsky was expelled from the Soviet Union.
The Young Socialist Alliance would give us a pamphlet to read. The next week we would discuss the pamphlet.
One week the topic of discussion was the United Auto Workers' Union. A member of the Socialist Workers' Party began with a lecture on how the United Auto Workers' union had betrayed auto workers.
I raised my hand and politely said, "Working on an automobile assembly line requires no more skill than working in a fast food restaurant. Nevertheless, auto workers are paid much more than fast food workers. They also have good benefits. This is because of the work of the United Auto Workers' Union. How has the Socialist Workers' Party benefited auto workers? All you guys seem to do is talk."
He could not answer my question.
There's no end to the Communist dreams of the torpid halfwits populating today's universities.
Leaders of extremist movements have occasionally been men who could have succeeded in other fields. Those attracted to the movement have rarely been like that.You had a very limited contact with a small group of people about who you had no real curiosity. Like almost everyone else on this site you dabble in cliches and stereotypes.
Eric Hoffer was a rank and file member of Longshore Union Local 10 in San Francisco. His observations of Stalinists in that local were broadened into a general commentary on extremism in modern society. But without context his book seems merely dyspeptic.
There are many much better books on these topics. For example, almost anything by the Moby-Dick of ShitPsychotica Mediocrita, never seen and possibly legendary, Wilhelm Reich.
I have developed a comparative list of charismatic leaders in the 19th-20th c. addressing the issue of radical politics as a reflection of personal inadequacy:
Marx -- failed journalist
Lenin -- failed attorney
Hitler -- failed painter
Mao -- failed mandarin
Castro -- failed attorney, baseball player
Guevara -- failed doctor
Vs.
Engels -- the Bill Gates of his time -- super rich factory owner
Trotsky -- successful journalist
Mussolini -- ditto
Franco -- successful military officer
Tito -- ditto (Habsburg)
Me -- successful journalist and avatar of a New World
The future according to me:
But meanwhile, comrade:
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I expect this comment to be censored or otherwise messed withLeaders of extremist movements have occasionally been men who could have succeeded in other fields. Those attracted to the movement have rarely been like that.
The Trotskyite movement has always been irrelevant to the labor movement. Most Trade Unionists have never known who Leon Trotsky was.