The evidence is slowly accumulating that the Twin Towers were demolished........

[ruminator]

Would this conversation make more sense if I were stoned?

Probably not.

Has anyone heard of the "conspiracy" about the plane that "didn't" hit the Pentagon?

Yes, we've heard about that. We also had spirited, accusatory debates until someone flashed a pic of a blackened crumpled engine and claimed victory. The rest of us wandered off, tired of discussing it but knowing the truth was out there, somewhere.




Hey, that Able Danger hearing is getting real interesting.

 

[Gringao]

We use the SI metric system courtesy of the Frenchies. We are into Joules and Watts for energy. We can calculate all that stuff on our fingers now.

If you were truly an engineer, you would know that a watt is not a measure of energy. You're either a fraud or incompetent, I leave it to you to decide which.

 

[miles]

Hey Miles, I see the standard of your debating skills is still representative of your stunted development and is probably why yo mama hasnt stopped dressing you in those Gomer bib front pants you keep wetting everytime I come online. You are a monster but more to be pitied than scolded.

Debate what? The wild-eyed lunatic nonsense that you make up?

Take a hint, woody. Everybody thinks you're fucking crazy. Except Donkey, but he's out of his tree, too.

 

[Ishmael]

If you were truly an engineer, you would know that a watt is not a measure of energy. You're either a fraud or incompetent, I leave it to you to decide which.

Incompetent. If he wants joules all he had to do was multiply the BTU's by 1054.8

Ishmael

 

[KindaKinky]

There are other reasons as to what brought the towers down:

1. Most of the fuel burned off in the fireballs from the impact, but the office furniture on the affected floors fueled the fires.
2. The Twins were built with a new style of architecture that helped contribute to their demise. (BTW, Is there any documentation on the architect who designed it in the first place?)

I saw the Nova documentary speculating why the towers fell, and I believe it to be plausible. The witnesses and survivors can only speculate about things that even the victims know nothing about.

Our theories will not bring the victims back from the dead.

 

[Lavared]

(BTW, Is there any documentation on the architect who designed it in the first place?)
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I saw the Nova documentary speculating why the towers fell, and I believe it to be plausible. The witnesses and survivors can only speculate about things that even the victims know nothing about.

Our theories will not bring the victims back from the dead.

Minoru Yamasaki was the architects name and I've not seen much about him. I'm not even certain he is still alive.

I saw the NOVA documentary too I think. Wasn't that the one where they interviewed that man who help build them (I can't remember his name but he wasn't Mr. Yamasaki)? He looked so sad and seemed to feel a tremendous amount of guilt and remorse because the buildings weren't designed to withstand that kind of impact.

And you're right. All the theories in the world won't bring back a single person from death. Maybe if we knew more (not theories, truth) we could prevent another similar event though.

 

[KindaKinky]

I also heard of people describing that there was a trail of molten metal that was trailing down from one of the corner beams before tower 2 fell. And there was a closeup of a row of windows breaking apart just like the animation just before it fell.

And I'm googling Minoru Yamasaki.

 

[Don K Dyck]

There are other reasons as to what brought the towers down:

1. Most of the fuel burned off in the fireballs from the impact, but the office furniture on the affected floors fueled the fires.

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   A good post, Kindakinky, well done!!
   
   In my experience I think that it is unlokely the office furniture, fixtures and fittings would provide a sufficiently high burning temperature to melt the steel skeleton of the building.
   
   
   

   [*]The Twins were built with a new style of architecture that helped contribute to their demise. (BTW, Is there any documentation on the architect who designed it in the first place?)

This is a new point. It would be good to get more details becuase the Twin Towers were the first and only skyscraper to collapse under a fire load before or since 9/11

I saw the Nova documentary speculating why the towers fell, and I believe it to be plausible. The witnesses and survivors can only speculate about things that even the victims know nothing about.

Our theories will not bring the victims back from the dead.

Sadly, too true . . . RIP

 

[Iced_Cherry]

Would this conversation make more sense if I were stoned?

Probably not.

Has anyone heard of the "conspiracy" about the plane that "didn't" hit the Pentagon?

Did anyone notice how long it took for those pics of burnt plane wreckage to be released? There's still no evidence released yet to prove that plane really was the plane it was said to be.

I also noticed that the "Hanni Majour the Wonder Pilot" story still makes the whole thing extremely suspicious.

 

[velcroktty]

.....you're right. All the theories in the world won't bring back a single person from death. Maybe if we knew more (not theories, truth) we could prevent another similar event though.

Each of us have our own individual thoughts and beliefs about the events which occured on September 11, 2001. Each of us have choosen our own truths and lies to believe. We have our own unique thoughts and beliefs along with our individual conclusions reached while left with some of our questions unanswered. We all have remaining doubts leaving our personal curiosities uncomfortably dissatisfied....
9/11 didn't just distroy a couple of buildings causing a handful of lost lives, Buildings catch on fire each and every single day of the year, killing innocent occupants trapped inside as it burns to the ground. Throught time there have been instances when commercial planes have crashed killing the hundreds of passengers trapped inside. We are all decent human beings. When we hear of such things, our emotions feel for those immediately involved. We want answers and need to know what happened and to pinpoint a cause in order to find blame to unleash our anger upon. We only allow our thoughts to focus on such isolated distant tragedies until we hear news of another story to capture our attention for awhile...
Then along came September 11, 2001. I know I will never forget where I was, who Iwas with and what I was doing when I first heard news of the events, nor will I ever forget standing in a group of others huddled around a TV, stunned and silent as we witnessed the horror unfold live before our eyes.
It almost still seems sureal, like we had all been somehow hypnotized and were having the same nightmare. Things like this do not happen in rael life. Planes do not crash into tall buildings, skyscrapers do not crumble and collapse on the ground. Thousands of people do not get killed and injured all at the same place all at one time....
As if the nation wasn't already dumbfoundd enough, to add further to our confusion, now try to comprehend yet another plane has crashed into the presumably single most protected, most secure, safest guarded building in the country, We watch in utter disbelief as we're shown footage of The Pentagon, staffed with the governments top ranking military personel, the complex which houses the offices of our countries most vital and secretive government departments and agenies, portions of which are now destroyed and on fire.
With the death toll rising, yet another plane crashes and even more lives have been lost.....
The results are staggering. Dead are the passengers and crew of four commercal aircraft, along with qute a few government employees, and the vast majority the occupants of the twin tower buildings.
As the rescure workers search for any possible survivors, the hours turn into days, the days turn into weeks as hope runs out that any of the missing will be found alive. The workers begin the gruesom task of matching DNA to small fragmens of bodies found mingled with the debris and rubble of the collapsed structures.
We hear recordings of phone conversations, listen as the last words are spoke between the dearly departed and their loved ones. We are given inside information detailing the personal private lives of the heros and innocent others who on 9/11/01 lost their lives. The following months news is of funerals, weddings, births and first hand accounts from those who lived to survive.
It's the enormity of the days events which causes us to bicker amoungst ourselvs, argue rumor against theory, doubting that we even know anymore what is indeed fact and we sit i in wonder as to what lies we been fed and fool enogh to have believed all along.
On 9/11/01, along with the lives and property, a nation and it's citizens lost it's innocence as well. Gone are our feelings we're protected, we no longer feel safe and secure in our inorance of blissful unawareness of how fragile existance really is.
The TRUTH we search is not that of who did what and/or how and/or why, Truth of the matter is, we all just simply want to go back to the time before 9/11 when we all truthfully felt we would live comfortable lives in the comfort of our homes, surounded by those we hold dear. We long for the days when we use to feel all we truelly need was just to be there to support each other and help one another and that alone would be enough to overcome any obstacles, We got complacent and take everything in our lives for granted. It's a truth we all came to relied on. That is the TRUTH we all want back. - We want to be able to take comfort in knowing we can once again trust our lives to that exact same basic truth.

 

[ButterPixie]

I also heard of people describing that there was a trail of molten metal that was trailing down from one of the corner beams before tower 2 fell. And there was a closeup of a row of windows breaking apart just like the animation just before it fell.

And I'm googling Minoru Yamasaki.

But there were no molten steel beams.

I heard the same story, and it later turned out to be fake.

 

[phrodeau]

The beams didn't have to melt, they only had to distort slightly.

The clips mounting the beams and the rivets holding the clips didn't have to melt either. They could just break.

 

[2ndSight]

The beams didn't have to melt, they only had to distort slightly.

The clips mounting the beams and the rivets holding the clips didn't have to melt either. They could just break.

And yet before and since, no high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire. It seems that the supporters of that theory depend on extremely rare improbablities, because they think that despite the fact that fire has never caused the collapse of any other steel skyscrapers, it's not suspicious at all that a whole bunch of them collapse on one day. What took down WTC-7? Magic?

 

[woody54]

And yet before and since, no high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire. It seems that the supporters of that theory depend on extremely rare improbablities, because they think that despite the fact that fire has never caused the collapse of any other steel skyscrapers, it's not suspicious at all that a whole bunch of them collapse on one day. What took down WTC-7? Magic?

Given the undelible mark this event has on the psyche of the world now, apart from the more obvious aspects related to the planes and the buildings, I'd love to see a mathematician calculate the probability of all other contributing "improbablities" coming together at the same instant in time in what should have been the safest airspace in the world.

This number is so astronominal that the answers provided just dont cut the mustard as a total package. It is way beyond the almost God like powers attributed to some ex CIA hack Muslim Terrorist organiser in a mountain cave that has discovered invisibility. He just isn't that good.

Perhaps in the aftermath, the government blackout on information has both enhanced the Holocaust status of 9/11 and inspired a whole series of theories to fill in the void.

 

[zipman]

Given the undelible mark this event has on the psyche of the world now, apart from the more obvious aspects related to the planes and the buildings, I'd love to see a mathematician calculate the probability of all other contributing "improbablities" coming together at the same instant in time in what should have been the safest airspace in the world.

This number is so astronominal that the answers provided just dont cut the mustard as a total package. It is way beyond the almost God like powers attributed to some ex CIA hack Muslim Terrorist organiser in a mountain cave that has discovered invisibility. He just isn't that good.

Perhaps in the aftermath, the government blackout on information has both enhanced the Holocaust status of 9/11 and inspired a whole series of theories to fill in the void.

Considering that there are 3 totally over loaded and old airports serving the tristate area, NYC airspace is far from being the safest in the world. Just another example of you talking out of your ass again.

 

[phrodeau]

And yet before and since, no high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire. It seems that the supporters of that theory depend on extremely rare improbablities, because they think that despite the fact that fire has never caused the collapse of any other steel skyscrapers, it's not suspicious at all that a whole bunch of them collapse on one day. What took down WTC-7? Magic?

Maybe the towers were built by the Amalgamated Unmarried Teenage Mothers' Construction Company.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Considering that there are 3 totally over loaded and old airports serving the tristate area, NYC airspace is far from being the safest in the world. Just another example of you talking out of your ass again.

Geeez Zip . . . this comment is unworthy of you . . . it is rather the comment of either a CIA apologist for the Fundamentalist fascist regime in the White House or, an ill-educated, Fauxsmell addicted, unthinking Young Republican high school depressive . . .

It is now over 3 years since 9/11 . . . over 1,000 days . . . so, how many mid-air collisions between aircraft of any size have there been in NY air space in this period?

2nd sight is correctly sceptical . . . remember the FIB/CIA cover-up of the JFK assassination?

The misleading Warren Commission??

The "Magic Bullet" theory to explain the most improbable trajectory ever . . . and the "Marksman Theory" to explain how an inexperienced out of practice former military person could shoot an antiquated rifle at the necessary cyclic rate to fire three shots?

The grudging acceptance of the fourth bullet evidence after the Warren Commission??

Then there was the role played by J Edgar Hoover . . . did he organise the JFK assassination?? On his own behalf or for the benefit of his Mafia mates?? Or his corporate exeKKKutive mates (who he was also blackmailing on the side)??

But enough of the earleir treason . . .

The power of the AmeriKKKan "establishment" to mislead the American people for the benefit of corporate exeKKKUtives is well recognised outside continental USA . . .

. . . and many good American people are coming to relaise that the American government has become a branch office of corporate AmeriKKKa . . .

 

[zipman]

Geeez Zip . . . this comment is unworthy of you . . . it is rather the comment of either a CIA apologist for the Fundamentalist fascist regime in the White House or, an ill-educated, Fauxsmell addicted, unthinking Young Republican high school depressive . . .

It is now over 3 years since 9/11 . . . over 1,000 days . . . so, how many mid-air collisions between aircraft of any size have there been in NY air space in this period?

2nd sight is correctly sceptical . . . remember the FIB/CIA cover-up of the JFK assassination?

The misleading Warren Commission??

The "Magic Bullet" theory to explain the most improbable trajectory ever . . . and the "Marksman Theory" to explain how an inexperienced out of practice former military person could shoot an antiquated rifle at the necessary cyclic rate to fire three shots?

The grudging acceptance of the fourth bullet evidence after the Warren Commission??

Then there was the role played by J Edgar Hoover . . . did he organise the JFK assassination?? On his own behalf or for the benefit of his Mafia mates?? Or his corporate exeKKKutive mates (who he was also blackmailing on the side)??

But enough of the earleir treason . . .

The power of the AmeriKKKan "establishment" to mislead the American people for the benefit of corporate exeKKKUtives is well recognised outside continental USA . . .

. . . and many good American people are coming to relaise that the American government has become a branch office of corporate AmeriKKKa . . .

Sure Don.


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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I told ya Don was a funny, funny guy!

 

[Lost Cause]

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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Plame knew that Rove was the liason between the administration and Al Qaeda...

Like the IRA, Republicans have a political wing and a military wing.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

So, now Ahm steppin' into the Twilight Zone!
This is a madhouse...

 

[Problem Child]

And yet before and since, no high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire. It seems that the supporters of that theory depend on extremely rare improbablities, because they think that despite the fact that fire has never caused the collapse of any other steel skyscrapers, it's not suspicious at all that a whole bunch of them collapse on one day. What took down WTC-7? Magic?

How many of those buildings had their structures weakened by a jetliner slamming into them, which, by the way, caused all the fire retardant to be blown off of their structural members leaving them even more vulnerable to fire?

How many of them had the exact same design as the WTC? Just because something has only happened once doesn't make it a conspiracy.

 

[zipman]

How many of those buildings had their structures weakened by a jetliner slamming into them, which caused all the fire retardant to be blown off of their structural members and dowsed with thousands of gallons of jet fuel and set ablaze?

How many of them had the exact same design as the WTC? Just because something has only happened once doesn't make it a conspiracy.

Actually the towers never collapsed at all.

The CIA just developed a new, super-duper. secret way of making them invisible.

I know, I walked by the other day and their was a dead pigeon lying on the sidewalk. Obviously it flew into the buildings because it couldn't see them and fell to it's death.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

We do have the technology...