The evidence is slowly accumulating that the Twin Towers were demolished........

[Don K Dyck]

Without a second attack, those workers still would have died when the fucking building fell on them. The second attack itself killed no emergency workers. They could have just bombed every fire station in the city instead. It probably would have been more efficient.

My question is, why kill experienced emergency crews? What advantage does that give? They're no different than any individual citizen that died unless you want their services sometime down the road. You know, like blowing up oil refineries in WW2 so that machines don't have fuel for future use. Had they blown up 10 more buildings 2 months after the attack, that would make a little sense I guess... but they didn't.

You kill emergency worked to spread chaos among the survivors . . . just like the AmeriKKKans camoflague food parcels to look similar to cluster bombs . . . that blow up, maim and horribly disfigure innocent Afghani kids searching for their daily feed . . . just so that you demoralise the Afghani parents . . . and increase hatred for all Americans, civl and military, in the Arab world . . .

 

[woody54]

The conversion of ft/lbs of energy is done by merely dividing by 778 or something close. If he's interested in calories, I can do that too. Anyone can. Except woody apparently.

Ishmael

Why would I want to? Google tells us everything these days.

We use the SI metric system courtesy of the Frenchies. We are into Joules and Watts for energy. We can calculate all that stuff on our fingers now.

Its the other metric system that recognises centimetres and calories. Confused?
Mind you I still have my state of the art 1973 scientific pocket calculator tucked away somewhere that was used to keep all that foot pounds crap in order. Its freaky that $15 calculators do almost as much these days.

 

[Guest]

You are totally obfuscating the point that the Twin Towers were a proven target of Middle Eastern terrorists and they had promised to have another shot.

Irrespective of your particular views on who was involved, the Twin Towers were iconic as a target in the Terror field and their destruction would mean only one response. This co-incidentally happened to conveniently mirror a long held view of the ruling elite in the Administration awaiting another Pearl Harbour. From the political minds that brought Operation Northwood to the Cabinet table, one could speculate that anything is possible but bad terrorists would always be the fall guys.

If there was a clean and transparent exposure of the information surrounding the event, there would be no conspiracy theories because everybody would know what really happened. The US governments paranoid secrecy has created a wealth of second guessers trying to make some truth from all the facts and misinformation out there.

The only beneficiaries from this whirlpool of theories, is the creators of the War on Terror who got want they wanted from the event.

You are totally obfuscating the fact that I was addressing the Allen prediction of 1971 and specifically the thought behind killing emergency crews.


Dyck, it didn't increase the chaos.

 

[Don K Dyck]

You kill emergency worked to spread chaos among the survivors . . . just like the AmeriKKKans camoflague food parcels to look similar to cluster bombs . . . that blow up, maim and horribly disfigure innocent Afghani kids searching for their daily feed . . . just so that you demoralise the Afghani parents . . . and increase hatred for all Americans, civl and military, in the Arab world . . .

This new survey from Oz shows how the present policies of Nazi regime in the White House are affecting America's allies.

It follows another syurvey this week that concluded 7/5, from a sample of about 40,000, against Oz being part of the ANZUS Treaty because aussies don't want to be seen as a colony of the U$A and so a greater target for any "terrorist" activities.

Labor of love doesn't extend to US

Friday Sep 23 00:09 AEST

One in five Labor Party candidates at the last federal election believed the United States was a threat to Australian security, a new study shows.

The research by Australian National University and Queensland University of Technology found 21.9 per cent of ALP candidates said the US was a "very likely" or "fairly likely" threat to Australia, placing it above China, Vietnam or Malaysia, The Australian newspaper reported.

Thirty-one per cent of ALP candidates said they had little or no trust in the US coming to Australia's defence, and one in five said they were either not very proud, or not at all proud, to be Australian.

Former Labor leader Mark Latham, who has just released his controversial book, The Latham Diaries, was widely criticised by conservatives for being anti-American.

When asked in the study about US President George Bush, 91.5 per cent of Labor candidates said they disliked him, with 60.9 per cent strongly disliking him, the paper said.

 

[catfish]

You kill emergency worked to spread chaos among the survivors . . . just like the AmeriKKKans camoflague food parcels to look similar to cluster bombs . . . that blow up, maim and horribly disfigure innocent Afghani kids searching for their daily feed . . . just so that you demoralise the Afghani parents . . . and increase hatred for all Americans, civl and military, in the Arab world . . .

Damn Don, I remember arguing with you about this right after the US invasion of Afghanistan. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now. There would be no reason to deliberately camo food parcels to look like cluster bombs just to kill civilians. Why would we want to make them angry when we wanted their support?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Damn Don, I remember arguing with you about this right after the US invasion of Afghanistan. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now. There would be no reason to deliberately camo food parcels to look like cluster bombs just to kill civilians. Why would we want to make them angry when we wanted their support?

Given the weird thinking of the U$ military planners, anything is possible.

However, this was reported at the time in the aussie press from reporters present in Afghanistan. There were even TV pics of primary school kids who had arms and legs blown off . . . it takes a special kind of soldier to think up this strategy . . .

 

[ruminator]

When the similarity in appearance was seen to be a problem why weren't changes made to make the clusters look different?

ya know, a safer, gentler cluster bomb?

 

[catfish]

Given the weird thinking of the U$ military planners, anything is possible.

However, this was reported at the time in the aussie press from reporters present in Afghanistan. There were even TV pics of primary school kids who had arms and legs blown off . . . it takes a special kind of soldier to think up this strategy . . .

Actually, and I tried to find both the thread and the news article, the food parcels were yellow plastic denoting that they were Muslim approved meals ( faal'ah? I think ) High Explosives are also denoted by yellow, which caused Afghans to think they were food parcels. As soon as this was discovered, the food parcels color was changed. End of story. No conspiracy, no cover up. Just a fuck up.

 

[ruminator]

Actually, and I tried to find both the thread and the news article, the food parcels were yellow plastic denoting that they were Muslim approved meals ( faal'ah? I think ) High Explosives are also denoted by yellow, which caused Afghans to think they were food parcels. As soon as this was discovered, the food parcels color was changed. End of story. No conspiracy, no cover up. Just a fuck up.

I'll check but I think the yellow ones were used in Iraq and also picked up by kids.


Aren't they illegal in populated areas anyway?

 

[catfish]

I'll check but I think the yellow ones were used in Iraq and also picked up by kids.


Aren't they illegal in populated areas anyway?

I remember an article at the time of the Afghan invasion that they had changed the color of the packaging to red I think.

Cluster bombs illegal in populated areas? Not sure, but I don't think so, would have to check.

 

[ruminator]

I remember an article at the time of the Afghan invasion that they had changed the color of the packaging to red I think.

Cluster bombs illegal in populated areas? Not sure, but I don't think so, would have to check.

This article says that groups advocated the ban but I don't think any was in effect although it could be in violation of the quaint GC.

This is from late Spring 2003

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"You can't use a weapon that is indiscriminate by nature, and you have to distinguish between civilian and military targets," said Steve Goose of Human Rights Watch, a New York-based group that issued a statement this month denouncing the reported use of cluster munitions in civilian areas. "We think if you use these things in neighborhoods, you may well run afoul of international law."

Already, evidence points to the use of cluster weapons, which shower a target with small bomblets, in densely populated residential areas of Baghdad and several other Iraqi cities.

More than a dozen patients and their families interviewed in recent days described bombing raids consistent with the use of cluster weapons. They spoke of rapid series of small but powerful explosions that seemed to come from all directions simultaneously, with many unexploded canister-shaped objects scattered on the ground afterward.

Some Iraqis showed scraps of what they said were parachutes on which the weapons had wafted to earth, and described objects sighted afterward: what looked like little balls in bright colors such as yellow, sometimes with a ribbon-like band projecting from them - particularly attractive to children, who think they might be some kind of toy - and black and silver cylinders a little smaller than a soft-drink can.

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http://www.jsonline.com/news/gen/apr03/135494.asp

 

[Don K Dyck]

Actually, and I tried to find both the thread and the news article, the food parcels were yellow plastic denoting that they were Muslim approved meals ( faal'ah? I think ) High Explosives are also denoted by yellow, which caused Afghans to think they were food parcels. As soon as this was discovered, the food parcels color was changed. End of story. No conspiracy, no cover up. Just a fuck up.

No . . . a deliberate strategy to wound and maim . . . caught out by public opinion . . . just like the Vietnam War . . .

Geez Catfish . . . you are starting to sound like a CIA apologist for the Fundamentalist Nazi regime in the White House . . .

 

[Fagin]

LMAO Dyck.

Reading your shit is even funnier than listening to Ed Schultz's "Straight Talk from the Heartland". That is pretty damn funny.

 

[woody54]

I'll check but I think the yellow ones were used in Iraq and also picked up by kids.


Aren't they illegal in populated areas anyway?

"Illegal" is a very flexible term in the Bush military world that dispenses with long held International conventions to suit its purposes.

The question has never been answered why cluster bombs were used in residential areas of Baghdad when they were designed to destroy airfields.

Maybe another case where some grunt keyed in the wrong GPS location by accident? Yeah right, that thinking matches all those heart attack victims among US detainees who had their brains bashed out. They should have been more careful when they fell off their boxes, blindfolded, clutching their hearts while handcuffed.

Who is to say what illegal is?

 

[miles]

Donk, I used to think you enjoyed spewing your hate America trash to draw attention to yourself, but I was wrong.

You are truly out of your fucking mind.

 

[miles]

Hey woody - better get mommy to check under the bed tonight before she tucks you in. Might be some Jew monsters hiding there.

 

[woody54]

LMAO Dyck.

Reading your shit is even funnier than listening to Ed Schultz's "Straight Talk from the Heartland". That is pretty damn funny.

No matter how the truth is presented, there is a shameful case against the US to answer. That is definitely beyond humour.

Faux patriotic protectionism does nothing but demonstrate the hypocritical Constitutional beliefs you operate under.

 

[miles]

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Faux patriotic protectionism does nothing but demonstrate the hypocritical Constitutional beliefs you operate under.

Not bad, WooDonkey. Almost worthy of its own thread. Surely you can do worse than that. Now step up to the plate and spew some real rhetoric for us.

 

[woody54]

Hey woody - better get mommy to check under the bed tonight before she tucks you in. Might be some Jew monsters hiding there.

Hey Miles, I see the standard of your debating skills is still representative of your stunted development and is probably why yo mama hasnt stopped dressing you in those Gomer bib front pants you keep wetting everytime I come online. You are a monster but more to be pitied than scolded.

 

[The Mutt]

Given the weird thinking of the U$ military planners, anything is possible.

The Rumsfeld military believes the best way to root out insurgents who are hiding among the civilian population is with airstrikes.

Bush and Osama want the same thing: Holy War.

 

[ruminator]

"Illegal" is a very flexible term in the Bush military world that dispenses with long held International conventions to suit its purposes.

The question has never been answered why cluster bombs were used in residential areas of Baghdad when they were designed to destroy airfields.

Maybe another case where some grunt keyed in the wrong GPS location by accident? Yeah right, that thinking matches all those heart attack victims among US detainees who had their brains bashed out. They should have been more careful when they fell off their boxes, blindfolded, clutching their hearts while handcuffed.

Who is to say what illegal is?

I think it's left to debate considering it's from the same military man that uses terms like untidy and onesies and twosies when analysing war.

 

[Don K Dyck]

The Rumsfeld military believes the best way to root out insurgents who are hiding among the civilian population is with airstrikes.

Bush and Osama want the same thing: Holy War.

Sad but true . . . a war zone is a bottomless market wiht the resultant huge profits for munitions suppliers . . . and AmeriKKKans supply over 90% of armaments in the world . . . so guess where the proftis accrue?

 

[ruminator]

Sad but true . . . a war zone is a bottomless market wiht the resultant huge profits for munitions suppliers . . . and AmeriKKKans supply over 90% of armaments in the world . . . so guess where the proftis accrue?

Hey hey hey.....let's remember this is a global problem in a global economy and all these corporations have interests in many different countries.

 

[~hellbaby~]

The evidence is slowly accumulating that the Twin Towers were demolished by charges set by demolition experts.


Thank you, Donkey Dick, for your latest tidbit of the truth.

Let's hope he never reproduced.

Is the congressional session on from yesterday! I know a lot of evidence went out yesterday but CSpan wasn't covering it live, at least not on my channels.

 

[KindaKinky]

Would this conversation make more sense if I were stoned?

Probably not.

Has anyone heard of the "conspiracy" about the plane that "didn't" hit the Pentagon?