That Pipeline

[Alexandra831]

I am not sure if I am fimiliar with the Key Stone Pipeline.. I know alaska has a pipeline.. and environmentalist tried their hardest to say it was endangering animals etc.. when in fact the animals and bird life around the pipe line are thriving.. under the pipeline birds and other animals use as a nesting area.. Environmentalist needs something to bitch about.. but Green Peace bring their ship to our town ( runs on fuel too).. preach and speak out against.. fishing, logging, mining..etc.. but what do they do when they leave.. they release the waste in their tank in area's that are to close to shore and cities.. hmm seems to me if they really cared.. they wouldn't have been so careless.. and what do they wipe their asses with "leaves"? how about their cars.. I mean do they really need them.. they can just walk or ride a bike.. and do they have computers, tv's etc? because all of that can be a danger to the environment.. I will shut up now.. but I really can not stand environmentalist.

I really think the U.S.A should depend less on Foreign Oil and utilize more local oil.. I also think its time for Congress to okay the drilling in Anwar? The environmentalist have everyone fooled about its risk.. google and look at where it is they actually want to drill.. and how remote it is.. and not heavily populated by much..

 

[TexasWife25]

I am not sure if I am fimiliar with the Key Stone Pipeline.. I know alaska has a pipeline.. and environmentalist tried their hardest to say it was endangering animals etc.. when in fact the animals and bird life around the pipe line are thriving.. under the pipeline birds and other animals use as a nesting area.. Environmentalist needs something to bitch about.. but Green Peace bring their ship to our town ( runs on fuel too).. preach and speak out against.. fishing, logging, mining..etc.. but what do they do when they leave.. they release the waste in their tank in area's that are to close to shore and cities.. hmm seems to me if they really cared.. they wouldn't have been so careless.. and what do they wipe their asses with "leaves"? how about their cars.. I mean do they really need them.. they can just walk or ride a bike.. and do they have computers, tv's etc? because all of that can be a danger to the environment.. I will shut up now.. but I really can not stand environmentalist.

I really think the U.S.A should depend less on Foreign Oil and utilize more local oil.. I also think its time for Congress to okay the drilling in Anwar? The environmentalist have everyone fooled about its risk.. google and look at where it is they actually want to drill.. and how remote it is.. and not heavily populated by much..

I think its very telling that many local officials have urged the president to wait and review the pipeline.

"TransCanada's Keystone I pipeline has spilled a dozen times in less than a year of operation, prompting a corrective action order from the Department of Transportation. Experts warn that the more acidic and corrosive consistency of the type of tar sands oil being piped into the U.S. makes spills more likely, and have joined the EPA in calling on the State Department to conduct a thorough study of these risks. "

http://www.foe.org/projects/climate-and-energy/tar-sands/keystone-xl-pipeline
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/news/ohio_earthquakes/index.htm

Yes I think POTUS is stalling ,partly because he wants to play both sides and offend no one during election season, but , lets me honest, its a smart move, TransCanada doesn't have the best record when it comes to spills, and the very 1st spill and people will be gathering pitchforks and saying Obama botched the project.

 

[islandman]

T. Boone Pickens' twitter on the subject this afternoon has been primer in sarcasm.

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[islandman]

We didn't need no stinkin' pipeline anyways.

 

[jomar]

Haven't read all of this so apologies if it's been mentioned.

Politics as usual. State says doesn't want pipeline over certain wetlands, company says fine we'll find a different route but hasn't yet, congress tightens the deadline forcing a 'no' and we get to call Obama a job killer.

My guess is that if he'd have given the go ahead Republicans would have raked him over the coals for ignoring state wishes.

Remember, they're the ones who hammered Obama for being a socialist and Romney for being a capitalist.

 

[Alexandra831]

I think its very telling that many local officials have urged the president to wait and review the pipeline.

"TransCanada's Keystone I pipeline has spilled a dozen times in less than a year of operation, prompting a corrective action order from the Department of Transportation. Experts warn that the more acidic and corrosive consistency of the type of tar sands oil being piped into the U.S. makes spills more likely, and have joined the EPA in calling on the State Department to conduct a thorough study of these risks. "

http://www.foe.org/projects/climate-and-energy/tar-sands/keystone-xl-pipeline
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/news/ohio_earthquakes/index.htm

Yes I think POTUS is stalling ,partly because he wants to play both sides and offend no one during election season, but , lets me honest, its a smart move, TransCanada doesn't have the best record when it comes to spills, and the very 1st spill and people will be gathering pitchforks and saying Obama botched the project.

Then they need to know how to build it stronger. I don't think the one here has had many spill if any.

 

[thør]

We didn't need no stinkin' pipeline anyways.

God, give us just one more pipeline and I promise not to piss all the money away!

(this is an honest-to-God bumper sticker)

 

[coastal-boy]

Obama just saved the country several hundred million in legal battles and still gave TransCanada the opportunity to re-apply (which they said they would). The ignorance of the right-wing is truely astounding.

 

[shoulderblade]

Obama just saved the country several hundred million in legal battles and still gave TransCanada the opportunity to re-apply (which they said they would). The ignorance of the right-wing is truely astounding.

Right. They apparently see the present situation only as a potential election issue.

 

[chillywilly2]

I think its very telling that many local officials have urged the president to wait and review the pipeline.

"TransCanada's Keystone I pipeline has spilled a dozen times in less than a year of operation, prompting a corrective action order from the Department of Transportation. Experts warn that the more acidic and corrosive consistency of the type of tar sands oil being piped into the U.S. makes spills more likely, and have joined the EPA in calling on the State Department to conduct a thorough study of these risks. "

http://www.foe.org/projects/climate-and-energy/tar-sands/keystone-xl-pipeline
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/news/ohio_earthquakes/index.htm

Yes I think POTUS is stalling ,partly because he wants to play both sides and offend no one during election season, but , lets me honest, its a smart move, TransCanada doesn't have the best record when it comes to spills, and the very 1st spill and people will be gathering pitchforks and saying Obama botched the project.

We prefer to call it "Oil Sands" tar, is so yesterday

 

[chillywilly2]

He should get together with the executives of the company that's planning on building
the pipeline then.

since they said they are already planning the new route, and it should be ready for review in "a few weeks"

Problem is...now the greenies have Obama in their pockets...if he wins he will have a tough time approving it...not saying it won't get approved but.......

 

[TexasWife25]

Problem is...now the greenies have Obama in their pockets...if he wins he will have a tough time approving it...not saying it won't get approved but.......

I honestly think it will pass and be built the only real question is when.
IF he caved to republican pressure now

1) He wouldn't get credit for the pipeline or whatever good comes of it because the GOP would take the credit, saying they forced him into it
2) He would look like a wimp for caving to the GOP
3) If any sort of spill happened, it would pretty much tank his reelection, the GOP would say he botched the management of the project and the average American will say he put politics above their safety.

So the company will submit a new route, which will stay in review long enough to ensure that the pipeline will be in construction during election season and wont open till long after all the votes have been tallied.

Then he can say he stood firm on GOP pressure, did what was best for the environment and the American people, and still managed to build the route and create the jobs everyone wanted.
Perfect for the campaign trail.

 

[chillywilly2]

I honestly think it will pass and be built the only real question is when.
IF he caved to republican pressure now

1) He wouldn't get credit for the pipeline or whatever good comes of it because the GOP would take the credit, saying they forced him into it
2) He would look like a wimp for caving to the GOP
3) If any sort of spill happened, it would pretty much tank his reelection, the GOP would say he botched the management of the project and the average American will say he put politics above their safety.

So the company will submit a new route, which will stay in review long enough to ensure that the pipeline will be in construction during election season and wont open till long after all the votes have been tallied.

Then he can say he stood firm on GOP pressure, did what was best for the environment and the American people, and still managed to build the route and create the jobs everyone wanted.
Perfect for the campaign trail.

Perg's been coaching you hasn't he

 

[Peregrinator]

Perg's been coaching you hasn't he

Lawlz. Nope, she came up with that piece of cynical analysis of our glorious leadership all by her lonesome.

 

[koalabear]

Lawlz. Nope, she came up with that piece of cynical analysis of our glorious leadership all by her lonesome.

You tell em merc.

 

[chillywilly2]

Lawlz. Nope, she came up with that piece of cynical analysis of our glorious leadership all by her lonesome.

Tell me one point she is wrong on

 

[shoulderblade]

Tell me one point she is wrong on

Hmmmm. Somebody ask her about the North Gateway pipeline.

 

[Peregrinator]

Tell me one point she is wrong on

I think she's right on all of them.

Are you one of these deluded people who thinks I'm a Democrat or an Obama supporter?

 

[koalabear]

I think she's right on all of them.

Are you one of these deluded people who thinks I'm a Democrat or an Obama supporter?

Of course not, you posts just sound that way, tree hugger.

 

[Peregrinator]

Of course not, you posts just sound that way, tree hugger.

Unabashed tree hugger, yes, but I refuse to labor under the labels mentioned in my last post.

 

[koalabear]

Unabashed tree hugger, yes, but I refuse to labor under the labels mentioned in my last post.

Hug fast, the trees are disappearing in favor of bio-fuel crops, fence rider.

 

[Peregrinator]

Hug fast, the trees are disappearing in favor of bio-fuel crops, fence rider.

You're like a kid who got a tambourine for Christmas.

 

[koalabear]

You're like a kid who got a tambourine for Christmas.

Your like the neighborhood mooch.

 

[trysail]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html




Canada Pledges to Sell Oil to Asia After Obama Keystone Permit Denial
By Theophilos Argitis and Jeremy Van Loon
January 19, 2012

“Canada will continue to work to diversify its energy exports,” according to details provided by [Prime Minister Stephen] Harper’s office. Canadian Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver said relying less on the U.S. would help strengthen the country’s “financial security.”

The “decision by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market.”

“We have to have processes in Canada that come to a decision in a reasonable amount of time, and processes that cannot be hijacked,” Harper said...

The Keystone decision is the latest of several U.S. moves that have irked Canadian policy makers. Canada objected to “Buy American” provisions in the Obama administration’s $447 billion jobs bill that was blocked by Republicans in Congress, as well as the restoration of a $5.50 fee on Canadian travelers arriving in the U.S. by plane or ship.

Approval of Keystone is a “no-brainer,” Harper said.




http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html