That Pipeline

[trysail]

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Get your facts right. The Athabaskan oil sands synthetic crude is an eminently suitable slate for almost any modern refinery. It is already being refined and processed into high quality, light, low sulphur crude oil.


The Athabaskan oil-sands petroleum will be consumed. Please explain to us how forcing somebody else to use it will help "save the world?"

 

[coastal-boy]

Get your facts right. The Athabaskan oil sands synthetic crude is an eminently suitable slate for almost any modern refinery. It is already being refined and processed as such.

The Athabaskan oil-sands petroleum will be consumed. Please explain to us how forcing somebody else to use it will help "save the world?"

get your facts right...it is a sand tar. Why is it only now of interest? Because it is expensive to refine. It is not equivilent to any high-crude. It isn't even equivilent to low-grade Libyan oil (which is back up and running btw). Any oil can be processed to make it of higher quality. But each processing step only adds to the cost. At today's prices, this is a stupid idea. But carry on. Ignorance is bliss and as I stated in my original post, you can change the numbers all you want the facts remain the same.

Now as to "saving the world"...where the fuck is this coming from? I'm simply pointing out facts with real numbers. Show me one, just one, peer-reviewed article that demonstrates any sand tar can be refined into a high-quality product for the same price as high-quality crude. One will shut me up. Otherwise, deal with the facts...people will use this "oil" for more "lower-quality" products to increase their profit margin. And they will do so while creating almost 50% more greenhouse gases. There's a deal there

Then there is the argument that it will bring jobs to the US. OK... that could be a valid point. Let's look at what has happened in other dealings with this company. That is what I hinted in my previous post. You do your own Google and come up with something different. Right-wingers have a set of sites they go to for their information. Find something that says the majority of the first Keystone Pipeline construction workers hired to build the South Dakota stretch were American.

 

[coastal-boy]

I wonder what would happen if the average vehicle mileage increased from 19 miles/gal to 40 miles/gal. I wonder if that would create more jobs than the number being cited for the Keystone "Project", which btw, TransCanada includes 51 dancers and choreographers, 138 dentists, 176 dental hygienists, 100 librarians, 510 bread bakers, 448 clergy, 154 stenographers, 865 hairdressers, 136 manicurists, 110 shampooers, 65 farmers, and 1,714 bartenders in their estimates.

 

[Peregrinator]

Stenographers?

 

[coastal-boy]

Stenographers?

I have no clue...I pulled it off some left-wing bullshit site. One of the bigest booms in South Dakota are strippers and bars. Maybe they need court recorders for the increased crime?

 

[Peregrinator]

I have no clue...I pulled it off some left-wing bullshit site. One of the bigest booms in South Dakota are strippers and bars. Maybe they need court recorders for the increased crime?

I didn't even know stenographers still existed.

 

[phrodeau]

I didn't even know stenographers still existed.

They type e-mails now.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Shagly]

Obama signs government spending bill into law

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/17/us-usa-congress-obama-idUSTRE7BG0O020111217

Dam, I was hoping for a shutdown.

 

[coastal-boy]

Even TransCanada admits they can't complete the process of finalizing a new route until the second half of 2012. Funny, that is the same time the Administration says it will have completed their analysis. After which, they sit down together and give it a thumbs up or down. So what exactly is being gained by all this political posturing again? Nothing.

 

[MeeMie]

Even TransCanada admits they can't complete the process of finalizing a new route until the second half of 2012. Funny, that is the same time the Administration says it will have completed their analysis. After which, they sit down together and give it a thumbs up or down. So what exactly is being gained by all this political posturing again? Nothing.

It's never had anything to do with the logistics.

Plain and simple, as always, Obama was postponing a decision until after the election. All that is important to him is being re-elected. PERIOD.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Republican-majority Congress approves government spending bill to be signed into law

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/17/us-usa-congress-obama-idUSTRE7BG0O020111217

don'tcha just love semantics?

 

[Saint Peter]

Obama signs government spending bill into law

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/17/us-usa-congress-obama-idUSTRE7BG0O020111217

Merry Christmas!

 

[coastal-boy]

It's never had anything to do with the logistics.

Plain and simple, as always, Obama was postponing a decision until after the election. All that is important to him is being re-elected. PERIOD.

Funny how it really works. It would set up years of litigation in the courts if he did anything without an environmental impact statement...wonder what would cost more? To do it legally or do it illegally? Care to take a guess? This has nothing to do with waiting until after the election, but believe those telling you what to think instead of thinking for yourself.

 

[trysail]

This is utter bullshit. There's a reason people refuse to do business in the U.S. and this is a prime example. There are thousands of pipelines that already criscross the U.S. This is a perfect example of a bunch of fucking politicians/bureaucrats/nitwits hurting the economy and jobs. They don't give a fuck what consequences their illogical and irrational behavior has.

Canadian Athabaskan petroleum will be consumed.





Keystone Pipeline Deadline Leaves Too Little Time for Review, Carney Says
By Jim Efstathiou Jr.
December 20, 2011

An effort by Congress to prod President Barack Obama on the Keystone XL oil pipeline gives the administration insufficient time to complete a review that meets environmental laws, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

Language in a Senate bill extending the U.S. payroll-tax cut sets a 60-day deadline for a permit to be issued by the State Department, and a full review takes longer, Carney said yesterday at a White House news briefing.

“It would be very difficult, as I understand it, for the State Department to say that that review had been responsibly achieved in 60 days,” Carney said.

Republicans introduced a bill setting the deadline after the State Department said in November it would delay until 2013 acting on the $7 billion pipeline crossing six U.S. states to study alternative routes. Environmental groups say the project threatens drinking-water supplies and delivers crude from western Canada that worsens climate change.

The language in the payroll-tax measure allows “almost any interpretation” on the fate of TransCanada Corp.’s bid for Keystone, according to Michael McKenna, an oil-industry lobbyist and president of MWR Strategies Inc. in Washington.

“The only hard and clear thing is if he determined it is in the national interest, then State has to issue a permit,” McKenna said yesterday in an interview. “The rest of it is like a Rorschach test of what you think about the project.”

House, Senate Spar
The Senate bill extending the tax cut for two months with the pipeline language passed 89-10 on Dec. 17. Continuing the 2 percentage-point tax cut was in jeopardy after leaders of the Senate and House of Representatives disagreed over how to proceed before the break expires Dec. 31. The House plans to vote to reject the Senate bill today, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Virginia Republican, said last night.

The pipeline has become a flash point between Republicans in Congress and the Obama administration over jobs and the environment. The 1,661-mile (2,673-kilometer) project, which would carry 700,000 barrels of crude a day from Alberta’s oil sands to U.S. Gulf of Mexico refineries, also has split two Democratic constituencies, labor and environmental advocates.

TransCanada applied for a permit in 2008. Advocates such as U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, an Indiana Republican who sponsored legislation to set a deadline, say it would add jobs and bring oil from a friendly country. TransCanada has said the pipeline will create more than 20,000 U.S. jobs through 2012.

‘Not Credible’
“Saying not getting oil from Canada, which we already do, is not in the national interest is not credible,” Andy Fisher, a spokesman for Lugar, said in an interview. “There’s strong support from unions and a good bit of the president’s coalition for the pipeline.”

The Obama administration delayed the decision in response to concerns from Nebraska citizens, state officials and some members of Congress that TransCanada’s proposed route across the state’s Sandhills area risks the Ogallala aquifer, the drinking- water source for 1.5 million people.

A new route across Nebraska will require a fresh environmental review, according to Susan Casey-Lefkowitz, director of the international program at the Natural Resources Defense Council. The route review “could be completed as early as the first quarter of 2013,” the State Department said.

“State says it cannot make a determination -- meaning that it will have no choice but to reject,” Casey-Lefkowitz said in an interview. “The president has already said that the review is not finished.”

Bush Review
The review process was established in an order signed by President George W. Bush. The part of the review meant to determine whether the project is in the national interest was suspended in November. The State Department is conducting the review because the pipeline crosses an international boundary.

“There are superior statues governing that pipeline and they would still govern even if this goes into law,” Kevin Book, managing director at ClearView Energy Partners LLC, a Washington-based policy analysis firm, said in an interview. “Obama holds all the cards. He doesn’t have to say no. He certainly doesn’t have to say yes.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...s-too-little-time-for-review-carney-says.html

 

[islandman]

"Superior statues"?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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"Fucking humans...you fucking humans!!!"

 

[trysail]

What is the argument against it?

There is no rational argument against it. It is utterly insane for the U.S. not to allow this pipeline. Somebody is going to consume the Canadian Athabaskan petroleum— if it's not us, it'll be China or India or whoever Canada sells to. In essence, as long as the U.S. imports petroleum, what possible sense does it make for us to import petroleum that's effectively been exported from Canada and then brought into the U.S. via a third party? That's positively nuts.

 

[islandman]

There is no rational argument against it. It is utterly insane for the U.S. not to allow this pipeline. Somebody is going to consume the Canadian Athabaskan petroleum— if it's not us, it'll be China or India or whoever Canada sells to. In essence, as long as the U.S. imports petroleum, what possible sense does it make for us to import petroleum that's effectively been exported from Canada and then brought into the U.S. via a third party? That's positively nuts.

The potential to impact the water supply of 1.5M people is no small thing.

That being said, I imagine it could be re-routed to alleviate any legitimate environmental concerns on its way down to the Gulf. I do not consider environmentalists' global warming concerns to be legitimate at this time.

 

[koalabear]

The potential to impact the water supply of 1.5M people is no small thing.

That being said, I imagine it could be re-routed to alleviate any legitimate environmental concerns on its way down to the Gulf. I do not consider environmentalists' global warming concerns to be legitimate at this time.

A car leaking oil can impact the water supply of far more people.

 

[chillywilly2]

PM Harper has said Fuckit...we are selling our oil to China.
We can't wait for them US deadbeats to make up their minds.

If they don't want to work..so be it..have your election.


I really can't figure it out...an election every 4 years but only in the first year can a decision be made and the next 3 are wasted suckholing to the people to get elected again

 

[chillywilly2]

The potential to impact the water supply of 1.5M people is no small thing.

That being said, I imagine it could be re-routed to alleviate any legitimate environmental concerns on its way down to the Gulf. I do not consider environmentalists' global warming concerns to be legitimate at this time.

Impact?

what..if it breaks you're gonna let it run for 6 months again like you did in the Gulf?

turn the fucking tap off

 

[islandman]

Impact?

what..if it breaks you're gonna let it run for 6 months again like you did in the Gulf?

turn the fucking tap off

Which part of 5,000ft under water do you not understand, shit for brains?

 

[chillywilly2]

Which part of 5,000ft under water do you not understand, shit for brains?

Exactly....the pipeline isn't gonna be 5,000 feet under water....it will be at ground level...with shutoff taps...cockbreath

 

[Karen Kraft]

Pipeline - as delivered

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