That Pipeline

[trysail]

Given that there are already more than 2.3 million miles of pipelines in the U.S.—carrying petroleum products, chemicals and natural gas—it is bizarre that so much political energy has been expended on a proposed 1,700-mile pipeline. Yet the Keystone XL pipeline has somehow managed to become the single biggest environmental issue facing America.

 

[trysail]

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/18/145347485/blocking-keystone-wont-stop-oil-sands-production




Blocking Keystone Won't Stop Oil Sands Production
by Martin Kaste
NPR
January 18,2012

President Obama is feeling election-year pressure over the pending decision on the Keystone XL pipeline. Republicans say the Canadian project would provide the U.S. with oil and new jobs, but environmentalists want Obama to block it. They say Alberta's oil sands generate more greenhouse gases than other kinds of oil, and Americans must not become dependent on such a dirty source of energy. But it may already be too late to change that.

Tucked in among the ranch houses in Burnaby, British Columbia, a quiet suburb east of Vancouver, is the terminal for the Trans Mountain Pipeline, which brings in oil from Alberta. For decades, that oil was mainly consumed in the Vancouver region. But that is changing.

Ben West, an anti-oil tanker activist with a group called the Wilderness Committee, says when the pipeline company Kinder Morgan bought this facility in 2005, it shifted its focus to exports — primarily to the American West Coast.

"We've seen this huge increase of tanker traffic," he says. "We went from 22 tankers in 2005, up to 79. You know these 700,000-barrel tankers that are now coming through the Burrard Inlet, which passes through one of the most populated areas of British Columbia."

The pipeline also has a branch that crosses the border, feeding crude oil to refineries in Washington state. Kinder Morgan is now exploring the possibility of doubling the pipeline's capacity. West calls it the "quiet repurposing" of the Trans Mountain Pipeline. And because of it, oil sands gasoline is now fueling cars from Seattle to San Francisco.

Philip Verleger, an economist who specializes in oil markets, says even if environmentalists convince Obama to block the Keystone XL pipeline, it won't stop the growth of production in the Canadian oil sands.

"With prices around a hundred dollars a barrel globally, that oil is going to make it to the market somehow," Verleger says. "The development may be slowed for a year or two. But one can move the oil west on the existing Kinder Morgan pipeline. They could expand pipelines east. Those pipelines already exist, and they can be expanded."

In fact, Enbridge, a Canadian energy company, recently asked Canadian regulators for permission to reverse the direction of one of its pipelines in Ontario, which many see as the first step to move more Canadian oil to the American East Coast — and relieve some of the Canadian oil glut in the upper Midwest.

Back in Burnaby, activist West is well aware of the spider's web of pipelines exporting oil from Alberta, but that doesn't make him any less opposed to the Keystone XL.

"I think it's true that the Keystone pipeline is not the only way that the oil is making its way to market, and there's definitely enough demand that if one of these gets built, people will want to build the other ones," West says. "But, you know, we really need to turn that around."

But demand is the key, say most economists. If you can get American drivers to buy less gas — by raising fuel efficiency standards, as the Obama administration recently did — then, they say, you stand a much better chance of slowing production in the oil sands.



http://www.npr.org/2012/01/18/145347485/blocking-keystone-wont-stop-oil-sands-production

 

[Wrong Element]

No on Keystone--for now:

The Obama administration will announce this afternoon it is rejecting a Canadian firm’s application for a permit to build and operate a massive oil pipeline across the U.S.-Canada border, according to sources who have been briefed on the matter.

However the administration will allow TransCanada to reapply after it develops an alternate route through the sensitive habitat of Nebraska’s Sandhills. Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns will make the announcement, which comes in response to a congressionally-mandated deadline of Feb. 21 for action on the proposed Keystone pipeline.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012/01/18/gIQAwoVE8P_story.html

 

[busybody..]

No on Keystone--for now:

The Obama administration will announce this afternoon it is rejecting a Canadian firm’s application for a permit to build and operate a massive oil pipeline across the U.S.-Canada border, according to sources who have been briefed on the matter.

However the administration will allow TransCanada to reapply after it develops an alternate route through the sensitive habitat of Nebraska’s Sandhills. Deputy Secretary of State William J. Burns will make the announcement, which comes in response to a congressionally-mandated deadline of Feb. 21 for action on the proposed Keystone pipeline.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012/01/18/gIQAwoVE8P_story.html

Hey, NIGGER,


What say you to this?

HMM: Obama’s Jobs Council Calls For Expanded Drilling.“The report does not specifically mention the Keystone XL oil pipeline, but it endorses moving forward quickly with projects that ‘deliver electricity and fuel,’ including pipelines.” Well, that’s what to do if you want jobs, all right.

 

[chillywilly2]

What a fucking chickenshit.


So, doing nothing gets you re elected eh

 

[thør]

What a fucking chickenshit.


So, doing nothing gets you re elected eh

The first chore of any politician is to be re-elected.

 

[koalabear]

What a fucking chickenshit.


So, doing nothing gets you re elected eh

He's been campaigning for re-election since he was elected.

 

[busybody..]

Hey, NIGGER,


What say you to this?

HMM: Obama’s Jobs Council Calls For Expanded Drilling.“The report does not specifically mention the Keystone XL oil pipeline, but it endorses moving forward quickly with projects that ‘deliver electricity and fuel,’ including pipelines.” Well, that’s what to do if you want jobs, all right.

Hey, NIGGER, I dont really expect an answer from you

Cause there can be no answer

If anything, you will

1-IGNORE me

2-Pretend to give a NIGGER answer

 

[Wrong Element]

Hey, NIGGER,


What say you to this?

HMM: Obama’s Jobs Council Calls For Expanded Drilling.“The report does not specifically mention the Keystone XL oil pipeline, but it endorses moving forward quickly with projects that ‘deliver electricity and fuel,’ including pipelines.” Well, that’s what to do if you want jobs, all right.

I don't have anything to say. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't think I know enough about this matter to have an opinion. I was just passing along the news.

 

[trysail]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ion-spreading-to-oil-from-gas-mulva-says.html



U.S. Shale Revolution Spreading to Oil From Gas, Mulva Says
By Edward Klump
January 18, 2012

The U.S. is poised for a revival of domestic oil production that may mirror a surge in natural-gas output from shale formations, ConocoPhillips (COP) Chief Executive Officer Jim Mulva said.

“The revolution has spread to domestic oil production,” Mulva said in remarks prepared for a speech at Rice University in Houston today. “And it may track the path it followed with natural gas. We just don’t know yet. But it looks promising.”

During the last three years, the U.S. has reversed a decline in its oil resources, which peaked in 1970 then dropped about 50 percent by 2008, Mulva said. The industry is returning to older producing areas to find petroleum liquids in shale and other so-called tight-rock formations, he said.

Energy consultants’ estimates show such fields may produce 3 million barrels of oil a day by 2025, or five times their current production, Mulva said. Together, the U.S. and Canada may have at least 100 billion barrels of recoverable resources from tight-oil basins, he said.

A combination of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling led to the increase in production from shale, Mulva said. Fracking, as fracturing is known, involves high-pressure injections of water, sand and chemicals underground to crack rock so oil and gas can flow.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates the U.S. now has about 2,700 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas, enough supplies to last more than a century, Mulva said. Now those same techniques are unlocking new oil supplies in “the biggest oil-industry breakthrough since the 1940s, when we first moved offshore into the Gulf of Mexico.”

Oil-Rich Reservoirs
ConocoPhillips has operations in such oil-rich reservoirs as the Eagle Ford Shale of Texas and the Bakken in North Dakota and Montana, Mulva said. The company continues to add acreage in other areas, he said.

Government must play “a constructive role” if the energy industry is to reach the full potential of North American resources, Mulva said. A balance must be struck between energy needs and protection of the environment and climate, he said.

Mulva cited TransCanada Corp.’s proposed Keystone XL pipeline, planned to carry crude from Canada’s oil sands to U.S. Gulf Coast refineries, as an example of a project that has been delayed by regulation. Canadian oil sands could be used to replace heavy crude sent to U.S. refineries from nations such as Venezuela, Mulva said.

The U.S. could use its expanding oil resources to cut its dependence on overseas imports, he said.

“An energy bonanza lies within our reach -- if we only take full advantage of the unconventional resources right beneath our feet,” he said.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ion-spreading-to-oil-from-gas-mulva-says.html

 

[TexasWife25]

I think everyone knows the pipeline is going to be built.
The question is when and where and can POTUS stall it until after
the election.

which would be the best thing for him

 

[busybody..]

Your answer gives the answer, you cant and wont criticize NIGGER

I don't have anything to say. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't think I know enough about this matter to have an opinion. I was just passing along the news.

cop out

you dont have to know anything to have a POV

of NIGGER saying no

and NIGGER appointed JOBS council saying DO IT

what reason could NIGGER have for saying NO?


So let me get this right. The Canadian Oil is supposedly worse for the environment, so stopping this pipeline will help the planet.

So instead of moving the oil in a safe way and be processed in US refineries operating under EPA regulations, the oil will now be transported across the Canadian Rockies where it will be loaded onto giant tankers and shipped across the Pacific where it will be refined in Chinese operations that have far fewer, if any, regulations in place.

Please let me know how the Chinese alternative is better for the Earth. Because no matter what, this Canadian oil is going to be sold.

More cynically, several readers suggest that the Saudis’ investment in the State Department is paying off. But while such investments are real, I think this is too high-level for that. This is Obama himself choosing to placate the greens.

 

[busybody..]

Obama’s jobs council report says ‘drill’

by Andrew Restuccia – The Hill

President Obama’s jobs council called Tuesday for an “all-in approach” to energy policy that includes expanded oil-and-gas drilling as well as expediting energy projects like pipelines.

“[W]e should allow more access to oil, natural gas and coal opportunities on federal lands,” states the year-end report released Tuesday by the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

The report does not specifically mention the Keystone XL oil pipeline, but it endorses moving forward quickly with projects that “deliver electricity and fuel,” including pipelines.

“The Council recognizes the important safety and environmental concerns surrounding these types of projects, but now more than ever, the jobs and economic and energy security benefits of these energy projects require us to tackle the issues head-on and to expeditiously, though cautiously, move forward on projects that can support hundreds of thousands of jobs,” the report says.

[snip]

“[R]egulatory and permitting obstacles that could threaten the development of some energy projects negatively impact jobs and weaken our energy infrastructure need to be addressed,” the report says. “Speedy adoption of best practice standards would allow government officials to reduce regulatory and permitting obstacles to important energy projects.”

Under a payroll tax cut packaged signed into law in December, the president must make a decision on [the Keystone XL oil pipeline] by Feb. 21. White House and administration officials have said they will have little choice but to reject the pipeline under the deadline, arguing they will not have enough time to adequately review the project.

The looming deadline has set off an aggressive lobbying campaign. Republicans and industry officials argue that the project has been subject to sufficient review and is essential for boosting the ailing economy and creating jobs.

But environmental groups and other opponents of the pipeline have raised concerns about greenhouse gas emissions from oil sands production, as well as potential oil spills.

House Republicans quickly pounced on the jobs council report Tuesday, noting that the recommendations echo their “all-of-the-above” energy strategy.

 

[coastal-boy]

Word is the Republican Govenor of the state of Kansas personally called Obama asking him to slow the project down because he (the Gov) didn't have enough environmental impact studies to make a sound decision for his state since they recently relocated the projected pathway. Of course, this makes sense to everyone with a brain. Those without brains believe Karen Kraft is a girl and that the pipeline should be built regardless of what someone from Kansas says.

 

[trysail]

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE

These folk have given the lie to any claim they want to help the economy. They have forfeited the right to any benefit of doubt. This is the most telling example of the mind-boggling extent of the economic illiteracy and wishful thinking that is rampant in the U.S.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-xl-pipeline-will-consider-revised-route.html

The Obama administration denied a permit for TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline and will let the company file a revised route that avoids an environmentally sensitive area in Nebraska.

The decision by the State Department today was praised by environmentalists, who said the pipeline would add to U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions, and was decried by the U.S. oil and gas industry and Republian lawmakers, who had pushed President Barack Obama to approve the project as a way to create jobs.

 

[busybody..]

Word is the Republican Govenor of the state of Kansas personally called Obama asking him to slow the project down because he (the Gov) didn't have enough environmental impact studies to make a sound decision for his state since they recently relocated the projected pathway. Of course, this makes sense to everyone with a brain. Those without brains believe Karen Kraft is a girl and that the pipeline should be built regardless of what someone from Kansas says.

BS!

 

[TexasWife25]

"However, the administration will allow the TransCanada, the pipeline’s manufacturer, to resubmit a new route, according to reports.

That new path will skirt around the environmentally fragile Nebraska sandhills, appeasing some of the activists - and Cornhusker State politicians - who balked at the original plan."




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...e-won-t-final-call-election-article-1.1008124

 

[koalabear]

Word is the Republican Govenor of the state of Kansas personally called Obama asking him to slow the project down because he (the Gov) didn't have enough environmental impact studies to make a sound decision for his state since they recently relocated the projected pathway. Of course, this makes sense to everyone with a brain. Those without brains believe Karen Kraft is a girl and that the pipeline should be built regardless of what someone from Kansas says.

State Department officials said TransCanada will be allowed to apply again for a permit if it identifies a new route for the pipeline through Nebraska. Critics of the pipeline have said a spill along this route could contaminate the aquifer. But a new route would mean substantial delays.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/18/10181927-obama-rejects-keystone-oil-pipeline

 

[Sean Renaud]

I thought they had submitted for a new route in like November?

 

[TexasWife25]

I thought they had submitted for a new route in like November?

The route in November went right through the area in dispute

"An executive .. says a new proposed route will be proposed soon....."in a matter of a very few weeks."

The U.S. government in November delayed a decision on granting a permit for Keystone XL, largely because of worries about the pipeline's environmental impact, especially in Nebraska."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/transcanada-route-pipeline-15341922#.Txc15_mwV5w

 

[koalabear]

Obama rejects Keystone oil pipeline
By msnbc.com staff and wires

Updated at 3:45 p.m. ET

Environmentalists say the job-creation claims are inflated and warn that the pipeline would lock the nation into the use of carbon-intensive oil sands crude for years. They said their support for Obama's reelection campaign this year depended on his rejection of the pipeline.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/18/10181927-obama-rejects-keystone-oil-pipeline

 

[JoeRockStar]

And the douchebag is blaming the GOP because they only gave him 60 days to think about it.

Yeah, laser-focused on jobs and energy independence.....

 

[TexasWife25]

And the douchebag is blaming the GOP because they only gave him 60 days to think about it.

Yeah, laser-focused on jobs and energy independence.....

Actually the state department rejected it 1st.

"As the State Department made clear last month, the rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted on by Congressional Republicans prevented a full assessment of the pipeline's impact, especially the health and safety of the American people, as well as our environment." Obama said. "As a result, the Secretary of State has recommended that the application be denied. And after reviewing the State Department's report, I agree." - POTUS

 

[chillywilly2]

Cripes...2 months ago the Prime Minister of Canada stood up and said flatly...Keystone is off till after the election because there Obama won't take a chance on upsetting his re election...done ...over...wer'e talking with China now.

Where is the suprise in todays announcement

 

[TexasWife25]

Cripes...2 months ago the Prime Minister of Canada stood up and said flatly...Keystone is off till after the election because there Obama won't take a chance on upsetting his re election...done ...over...wer'e talking with China now.

Where is the suprise in todays announcement

He should get together with the executives of the company that's planning on building
the pipeline then.

since they said they are already planning the new route, and it should be ready for review in "a few weeks"