So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[smoothg103rd]

You have just made the case that if we want to get rid of crime all we have to do is kill all poor people because to be poor is to be a criminal.

I'm not buying that shit.

Ishmael

That's not what I'm saying. Being poor is a path to being a criminal. Being hopeless is too. We can't just pick one factor. Because it's different strokes for different folk. I wish I knew how to explain things. There is a lot of reasons running through my mind, I just can't type them. I'm more of a talker than a writer.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Seems to work for me and the people I know.
You, maybe not so much.
Do you know what it is?

No it doesn't work for you, you think that it does because you wont' take an honest look around. Hard work, hardly works. That's an ageless law of the universe that the rich don't want us to know.

Work will keep a person out of jail.
Can't make any money setting in jail.
After a while the money will add up if you don't waste it.

Work might keep you out of jail, might not they aren't really related. And by after a while you mean if you're like Dracula right?

You have just made the case that if we want to get rid of crime all we have to do is kill all poor people because to be poor is to be a criminal.

I'm not buying that shit.

Ishmael

It would go an enormous way towards getting rid of all crime. I mean you'd have pretend like the execution of at least half the population of the world and realistically more than that would somehow justify the ends but yeah that would go a LONG way.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

OK, look, is it the correctional system that's screwed or the justice system?

I totally agree that the penitentiary system is the 'finishing school' for criminals. I'd also agree that non-violent, low level, drug offenders shouldn't be sent there. But unfortunately the states can't afford a multitude of prison based on segregation of crimes committed. If there's a better way, an affordable way, I'd like to hear it. Unfortunately virtually all of the alternatives I've heard put forth are either impractical or prohibitively expensive.

As far as the justice system is concerned they go out of their way to keep people out of prison. Which is another problem, almost a paradox. Many of the criminals that do end up in prison seem to be shocked that they did. They were expecting another 2nd. ( or 10th as the case may be) chance. They lose respect for the system, and then become angered.

And then there's the mandatory sentencing. Law begins to prevail over justice. But there again there is that paradox. A great deal of that mandatory sentencing is precisely so that an individual that may be black does not spend more time in prison than a white man, or a Hispanic for that matter. Mandatory sentencing came about as a solution to a very real problem re. sentencing bias.

But when you get right down to it it is a moral decision whether to commit that very first crime or not. And it appears that far too many in the black community are lacking in that moral certitude. And the question is , "Why?" It's not as if there isn't a strong church presence. On the other hand we know that government policy since the 60's has virtually destroyed the black family. And we also know that a male child growing up in a single parent household has a much higher probability of ending up on the wrong side of the law (and that is as true for white kids as black). While the term "family values" is a platitude associated with the republicans, it just might be that they're on to something there, although some of the proposed initiatives are semi-fucked up.

Ishmael

I’m mostly concerned about the corrections but the entire criminal justice system is in need of reform.

So we agree that non-violent offenders should be treated differently than violent offenders. My suggestion is to reform drug laws that incarcerate non-violent offenders.

I don’t agree that as you state, “A great deal of that mandatory sentencing is precisely so that an individual that may be black does not spend more time in prison than a white man…”

Mandatory minimum sentences were initiated back in the 50’s but didn’t become all that popular with judges until the 80 and 90s with Nixon and Reagan’s drug war. Of course the drug war was a fabrication and an excuse to label black people as criminals so that discrimination would be legal.

I also disagree that the government is responsible for the destruction of the black family. Unlike their fellow Americans, African Americans didn’t have the luxury of keeping their families in tact when they arrived on American shores.

 

[KingOrfeo]

St. Louis cops demand that Rams players be punished for “Hands up, don’t shoot” entrance.

 

[possum123]

No it doesn't work for you, you think that it does because you wont' take an honest look around. Hard work, hardly works. That's an ageless law of the universe that the rich don't want us to know.



Work might keep you out of jail, might not they aren't really related. And by after a while you mean if you're like Dracula right?



It would go an enormous way towards getting rid of all crime. I mean you'd have pretend like the execution of at least half the population of the world and realistically more than that would somehow justify the ends but yeah that would go a LONG way.

Just because you are a failure does not mean everyone else is also.

 

[possum123]

I’m mostly concerned about the corrections but the entire criminal justice system is in need of reform.

So we agree that non-violent offenders should be treated differently than violent offenders. My suggestion is to reform drug laws that incarcerate non-violent offenders.

I don’t agree that as you state, “A great deal of that mandatory sentencing is precisely so that an individual that may be black does not spend more time in prison than a white man…”

Mandatory minimum sentences were initiated back in the 50’s but didn’t become all that popular with judges until the 80 and 90s with Nixon and Reagan’s drug war. Of course the drug war was a fabrication and an excuse to label black people as criminals so that discrimination would be legal.

I also disagree that the government is responsible for the destruction of the black family. Unlike their fellow Americans, African Americans didn’t have the luxury of keeping their families in tact when they arrived on American shores.

I learn something new every day.
I didn't know the colored people were the only ones who used drugs.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I’m mostly concerned about the corrections but the entire criminal justice system is in need of reform.

So we agree that non-violent offenders should be treated differently than violent offenders. My suggestion is to reform drug laws that incarcerate non-violent offenders.

I don’t agree that as you state, “A great deal of that mandatory sentencing is precisely so that an individual that may be black does not spend more time in prison than a white man…”

Mandatory minimum sentences were initiated back in the 50’s but didn’t become all that popular with judges until the 80 and 90s with Nixon and Reagan’s drug war. Of course the drug war was a fabrication and an excuse to label black people as criminals so that discrimination would be legal.

I also disagree that the government is responsible for the destruction of the black family. Unlike their fellow Americans, African Americans didn’t have the luxury of keeping their families in tact when they arrived on American shores.

No. Blacks are almost always repeat offenders, I've seen blacks with over 40 drug convictions and no prison time. Whites rarely repeat as often as blacks. When it takes soooooo many convictions to qualify for prison its little wonder blacks lead the parade.

 

[possum123]

St. Louis cops demand that Rams players be punished for “Hands up, don’t shoot” entrance.

Maybe they should give each player a pack of cigarillos and make them carry them all through the game.

 

[smoothg103rd]

No. Blacks are almost always repeat offenders, I've seen blacks with over 40 drug convictions and no prison time. Whites rarely repeat as often as blacks. When it takes soooooo many convictions to qualify for prison its little wonder blacks lead the parade.

You talking hardcore crimes or blue color crimes? Mostly every hardcore criminal repeat. Regardless of race. It's just that blacks have more felony crimes than most of other races. It's the only reason why they repeat more.

 

[RjThoughts]

St. Louis cops demand that Rams players be punished for “Hands up, don’t shoot” entrance.

is this putz going to demand an apology for Notre Dame, too?

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv331/MatthewGG13/Touchdown-Jesus.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

I learn something new every day.
I didn't know the colored people were the only ones who used drugs.

No. But enforcement in our neighborhoods is different. And the sentencing for drugs colored people are more likely to use has been found to be higher. Congrats on learning though!

 

[possum123]

No. But enforcement in our neighborhoods is different. And the sentencing for drugs colored people are more likely to use has been found to be higher. Congrats on learning though!

If I was you I would move out of that crack house.
Maybe you won't end up in jail as often.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You talking hardcore crimes or blue color crimes? Mostly every hardcore criminal repeat. Regardless of race. It's just that blacks have more felony crimes than most of other races. It's the only reason why they repeat more.

I examined 1000s of records over 20 years, blacks generally have scores of convictions compared to whites, but blacks rarely do jail time till they've accrued many convictions. We hadda get rid of a few judges (all female) who let blacks off too many times for drug offenses. In fairness Jeb Bush's daughter Noelle was treated like a princess for her drug offenses.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If I was you I would move out of that crack house.
Maybe you won't end up in jail as often.

If I was rich I would, but since it's not an option I have to deal with what I have to deal with.

 

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[smoothg103rd]

If I was rich I would, but since it's not an option I have to deal with what I have to deal with.

You told me growing up you had maid's and shit. So how are you not rich?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Too bad the shit hole he creates can't be fenced off for him to live in.

Do you differentiate between lawful protesters and the criminals who burn and loot?

 

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[Joeybagadonuts]

No three time loser should ever get out of jail.

regardless of how much it costs?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

You told me growing up you had maid's and shit. So how are you not rich?

Quote me.

 

[RobDownSouth]

St. Louis cops demand that Rams players be punished for “Hands up, don’t shoot” entrance.

I like how the NFL immediately and politely told the St. Louis cops to go fuck themselves.

 

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[RjThoughts]

I like how the NFL immediately and politely told the St. Louis cops to go fuck themselves.

It makes the "union thug" look like an absolute douchebag!

 

[smoothg103rd]

Quote me.

I wwas talking about this

How is slavery any different, especially if you're going to bring up children? I know I didn't have any say in being born. No say in not being born to a family with a butler to handle stupid shit for me. I didn't know what I was getting into and had absolutely no legal say until age 18. Granted I suppose I could have attempted to make a case for emancipation at 16 but my case would have been.

Sean: Your honor. My parents expect me to empty the dishwasher, mow the lawn, put up my clothes AND go to school and graduate. I think that's bullshit and sometimes they won't let me eat or go to sleep until a big project is finished.

I do not think that would go over particularly well.



In this case I'm not sure I see the difference. Only the convicted end up doing labor.

But now I see the word not. Not being born.

My mistake